I've watched several of the vids Hawg has posted. Have to be honest, the guy gives me creepy obsessed vibes, but he appears to know his stuff.

So, could DeSantis and friends take the hammer to Disney? Sure. Should they beat them until the beg for mercy? Or should they just let Disney know that they could beat them but would rather keep the hammer stowed unless needed.

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I should have been clearer. I meant as POTUS, he is going to have to compromise.

Right now, he holds essentially all the power v Disney. But the best result will be from finessing that leverage, not using it as a caveman club.

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That makes no sense. As POTUS, he has zero jurisdiction over local special improvement districts which are state created.

Now are you saying that since Disney owns so many media outlets like ABC News, ESPN,etc. He has to tread lightly about his accomplishments in Florida over the groomer issue?

Team DeSantis moves to get rid of ultra-biased liberal Obama judge:

DeSantis moves to disqualify federal judge Mark Walker in the retaliation lawsuit Disney brought v FL because “two previous times, in two unrelated cases, the Court sua sponte offered ‘Disney’ as an example of state retaliation.”

Walker has frequently ruled against DeSantis pic.twitter.com/2PzeToKKBU

— Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) May 19, 2023

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We may not agree, but you could at least be genuine in the discussion.

https://www.fdacs.gov/Business-Services/Fairs/Fair-Rides-Inspection

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The Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (FDACS) has statewide responsibility to inspect all amusement rides in Florida, except for those at large parks that have more than 1,000 employees and have full-time inspectors on staff.

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Disney, Universal, Sea World and others with over 1,000 employees and with their own inspectors oversee themselves.

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The FBI did an inspection of themselves and determined that they had done nothing wrong with regard to Trump...

Mark Walker tried to appoint himself as the master of Florida where anything voting related had to be approved by him and him alone, claiming DeSantis and the legislature were racist against blacks with their 2021 voting integrity law.

The 11th Circuit *****ed slapped him hard.

Reading his wiki page is quite telling. He's as far left as they come!

No, I am saying as POTUS, he is going to have a multitude of large complex multifaceted issues to face daily.

I'm some cases, he will have unilateral authority to execute his agenda. In other cases, he will not have that authority.

He's racking up the Florida Ws because he has the ledge behind him and frankly, he is on the right side of the issues he's working to address.

Disney is a global company and to many a beloved institution. Again, he has the power and you can use a firm, but even hand or you can ball up your fists and beat the **** out of someone to get them to comply.

I am suggesting that he would come out further ahead by bring strong, effective but also seen as someone who worked with Disney for an overall better solution.

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Disney will use the money more efficiently than government.

Should give more companies more freedom. Not less.

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That's true for every company.

But not every company fights the government to sexualize kindergartners.

This is the hill Disney chose to die on. F*** em. Companies that sexualize kids need to be treated no different than how we treat pedophiles.

Democrats elected one for POTUS so I don't expect them to understand.

fka ftc said:

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I've watched several of the vids Hawg has posted. Have to be honest, the guy gives me creepy obsessed vibes, but he appears to know his stuff.

So, could DeSantis and friends take the hammer to Disney? Sure. Should they beat them until the beg for mercy? Or should they just let Disney know that they could beat them but would rather keep the hammer stowed unless needed.

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Some might argue there are times to look for compromises and there are times to stand your ground and make an example. The most effective leaders throughout history didn't achieve their positions nor their eventual goals by compromising very often. Nor did they achieve them by compromising in their first big "battle".

When you're the one arguing from the position of power, when you're fighting what you believe to be a righteous battle, when your opponent truly does see you as the enemy and has no true desire to work with you and will take any opportunity in the future to depose you....you don't compromise.

I truly believe Desantis believes all of the above to be true. And he has more support on this issue than a lot of people want to admit. So I don't see him coming to the table with Disney in any sort of obsequious way.

Good points on compromising. And overall I agree with what you are saying.

I don't think he has to compromise. Graceful victory vs spiking the ball and doing a dance in the end zone. Make sense?

As POTUS, the game gets much tougher.

DeSantis is going to be challenged on his foreign policy experience. I tend to think those challenges are always sort of bull****, but nonetheless it will call into relevance his negotiation skills. He could show those skills with Disney.

But I also get many see Disney as some sort of Iraq and I don't necessarily blame them. In that case, people may cheer for the shock and awe approach.

Just don't F with The Mouse.

Disney and Florida working together is best for both. Florida thrives on tourism. It doesn't make sense to hurt businesses that help the state thrive.

fka ftc said:

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Good points on compromising. And overall I agree with what you are saying.

I don't think he has to compromise. Graceful victory vs spiking the ball and doing a dance in the end zone. Make sense?

As POTUS, the game gets much tougher.

DeSantis is going to be challenged on his foreign policy experience. I tend to think those challenges are always sort of bull****, but nonetheless it will call into relevance his negotiation skills. He could show those skills with Disney.

But I also get many see Disney as some sort of Iraq and I don't necessarily blame them. In that case, people may cheer for the shock and awe approach.

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Any compromise takes two to accomplish. I think Desantis probably would have dissolved Reedy and been done with it until Disney tried to pull their little 11th hour stunt. Igor and Desantis were both talking like they wanted to work it out in private and get back to normal. But now that Disney pulled that crap and isn't backing down, I don't know where any compromise would even start.

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https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/11/08/desantis-wins-2022-florida-governors-race-by-largest-margin-in-40-years/

Remember the election was after the Disney fight started

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DeSantis won the election by the large margin for one reason- he kept the state open during Covid. Florida lives or dies by tourism. Nobody was paying attention to the Disney stuff back in the Fall.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/11/08/desantis-wins-2022-florida-governors-race-by-largest-margin-in-40-years/

Remember the election was after the Disney fight started

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DeSantis won the election by the large margin for one reason- he kept the state open during Covid. Florida lives or dies by tourism. Nobody was paying attention to the Disney stuff back in the Fall.

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I disagree. You're oversimplifying things. IMO, you don't pull that many voters, especially moderates and even Dems, on one issue.

The job he did during COVID was without a doubt reason #1 in most voters minds, but not the only reason. At that time there was disarray in large cities in other states because of crime on the rise, etc - all stuff that really didn't touch FL. People saw everything going on in those cities and rightfully attributed it to Dems/libs. They also rightfullly attributed the calm here in FL to the policies of our leaders, stemming from the top (Desantis) down. All governors get the credit or blame for what happens across the entire state regardless of how much direct influence they have on it.

Their vote for Desantis was a vote against Dem policies as well as a recognition that Desantis was a big part of that not happening here. The vote was more an acknowledgement that we like how things are going now, give us more of that. And the social issues were a factor, too. At least the people I know saw the overall leftwards bent of the country's direction (including on social issues) and decided it was time for a course correction.

fka ftc said:

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Good points on compromising. And overall I agree with what you are saying.

I don't think he has to compromise. Graceful victory vs spiking the ball and doing a dance in the end zone. Make sense?

As POTUS, the game gets much tougher.

DeSantis is going to be challenged on his foreign policy experience. I tend to think those challenges are always sort of bull****, but nonetheless it will call into relevance his negotiation skills. He could show those skills with Disney.

But I also get many see Disney as some sort of Iraq and I don't necessarily blame them. In that case, people may cheer for the shock and awe approach.

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I agree he will face lies and dishonest propaganda about his foreign policy experience. The issue is that any POTUS who is not a treasonous coward (like Obama/Biden) is going to have to take foreign policy on by themselves, against the wishes of our State Department/CIA. "Experience" working with/for them is a net minus, from a patriotic standpoint.

Iger is flirting with potential disaster, like perhaps state criminal charges?




ETA: When Iger keeps insisting that Disney's alter ego was Reedy Creek Improvement District, that could convert those bond issuances into taxable bonds. Huge problem for the bondholders too.

I sincerely doubt it gets to that. Maybe, MAYBE if Iger won't stop conflating RCID with Disney. But Disney's attorneys in court will draw enough of a distinction.

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I sincerely doubt it gets to that. Maybe, MAYBE if Iger won't stop conflating RCID with Disney. But Disney's attorneys in court will draw enough of a distinction.

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The problem for Disney's court attorneys is Disney's General Counsel, MacGowan. He's the one signing and filing misleading documents in the bond offerings. That carries not only criminal but civil liability as well.

Doubtful, but here's hoping!

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Team DeSantis moves to get rid of ultra-biased liberal Obama judge:

DeSantis moves to disqualify federal judge Mark Walker in the retaliation lawsuit Disney brought v FL because “two previous times, in two unrelated cases, the Court sua sponte offered ‘Disney’ as an example of state retaliation.”

Walker has frequently ruled against DeSantis pic.twitter.com/2PzeToKKBU

— Marc Caputo (@MarcACaputo) May 19, 2023

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Further explanation about this subject by Andrew. Less than 15 minutes.

Looks like Disney v DeSantis is having a bit of a negative impact… on Disney.

I have to admit, though I think Disney stepped in it and I think its a trickier rope for DeSantis to walk, this is showing a pretty solid hit to Disney. Bud Light, Target and others are all seeing the hits.

I will gladly welcome the death of woke.

https://www.wdwmagic.com/other/walt-disney-company/news/23may2023-disneys-reputation-is-being-negatively-impacted-by-the-dispute-with-ron-desantis-according-to-new-axios-harris-poll-.htm

"Notably, the Walt Disney Company now ranks as the 5th most polarizing brand, measured by the gap between Republican and Democratic respondents. This puts Disney among the Trump Organization, Fox, Hobby Lobby, Twitter, and Facebook in the list of the 10 most politically polarized companies."

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Agthatbuilds said:

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https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/11/08/desantis-wins-2022-florida-governors-race-by-largest-margin-in-40-years/

Remember the election was after the Disney fight started

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DeSantis won the election by the large margin for one reason- he kept the state open during Covid. Florida lives or dies by tourism. Nobody was paying attention to the Disney stuff back in the Fall.

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Disney has shown no interest in compromising and DeSantis has the high ground. They can come groveling to him anytime they want but he is not going to beg them to the table when he has already won the tough battle of getting the bills actually passed and into law. They have shown little if any remorse and until they stop FA they are going to continue to FO.

Oh, and DeSantis has the tourism bases covered quite nicely. Disney is important but it isn't as important in Florida as it used to be or how much people perceive.

Florida’s tourism industry is thriving with a single quarter record of 37.9 million visitors to the Sunshine State. pic.twitter.com/JpitV6fFCC

— Ron DeSantis (@GovRonDeSantis) May 19, 2023

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fka ftc said:

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Good points on compromising. And overall I agree with what you are saying.

I don't think he has to compromise. Graceful victory vs spiking the ball and doing a dance in the end zone. Make sense?

As POTUS, the game gets much tougher.

DeSantis is going to be challenged on his foreign policy experience. I tend to think those challenges are always sort of bull****, but nonetheless it will call into relevance his negotiation skills. He could show those skills with Disney.

But I also get many see Disney as some sort of Iraq and I don't necessarily blame them. In that case, people may cheer for the shock and awe approach.

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I agree he will face lies and dishonest propaganda about his foreign policy experience. The issue is that any POTUS who is not a treasonous coward (like Obama/Biden) is going to have to take foreign policy on by themselves, against the wishes of our State Department/CIA. "Experience" working with/for them is a net minus, from a patriotic standpoint.

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Everyone forgets that DeSantis not only served in Iraq and at Gitmo he also was on the Foreign Relations Committee in Congress. He also Chaired the Subcommittee on Oversight on National Security. He's got very real FP experience and he understands how the Deep State operates better than most current members of Congress as he had highly classified access with those assignments.

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Reading his wiki page is quite telling. He's as far left as they come!

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He is a faithful servant of the party!

Disney has gone full-blown DEMONIC. Walt Disney is rolling in his grave.

For the time being, this world is ruled by Satan.

1 John 5:19

19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Majority of GOP voters are less likely to consume Disney products because of the legal battle with Florida politicians. pic.twitter.com/ORdNFw2QeK

— National Public Affairs (@NatPubAffairs) May 23, 2023

Andrew is teasing a new stream for later today having to do with Universal, a former client of his. Supposed to start in a little less than 90 minutes.

He's live.

Universal has a new community development district that is not unique but has a partnership with the state, local government and business owners in the area. Next to Orange County Convention Center, number 2 behind the Vegas convention center.

Will be Brightline rail directly up from Miami airport, from Orlando airport directly to the new Universal Park, called Epic.

Thanks for tbe updates Hawg.

Universal has been getting their stuff together over the last few years with the multiple parks and of course the huge Harry Potter draw. As a FL resident and parent who at various points in time has had Disney annual passes and then Universal annual passes, I can tell you that Disney better not sleep on the advantage that they had over Universal. Universal's closing the Gap, and with Disney continuing to trip over their own dick Universal will pull up even with them eventually.

Epic is going to be... well, epic. Look forward to the new park. Currently, you can knock Universal out in a couple of days. We actually go for about 1.5 days but do the personal VIP guide in order to skip ALL lines and ride what we want. Not cheap, but when you start adding in going for more days.

Disney to me is still at least a 3-day journey, depending on age of your kids and what your interests in each park are. 10 years ago Universal was fastly closing the gap for most families with teenage kids. Now, Universal has pulled ahead and Epic will push it further.

To your point, that's a big a threat to Disney versus anything Ronnie D can do to them

(note, the above is my anecdotal based on going most non-covid years over the past 15 years)

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Thanks for tbe updates Hawg.

Universal has been getting their stuff together over the last few years with the multiple parks and of course the huge Harry Potter draw. As a FL resident and parent who at various points in time has had Disney annual passes and then Universal annual passes, I can tell you that Disney better not sleep on the advantage that they had over Universal. Universal's closing the Gap, and with Disney continuing to trip over their own dick Universal will pull up even with them eventually.

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My take is that Disney would not allow many stops between airports and their parks and that nixed any cooperation.

Universal took the opposite approach and wanted the rail line to operate like a rail line. There are express trains and then every freaking stop trains. Having had a rental car and trying to drive around Orlando a time or two, give me the freakin' train, no matter how many stops.

And there is the restaurant and bar row not far from the Convention Center. Many choices. So easy and cheaper than having six restaurants onsite at their hotels to just have buses that take hotel patrons a few short minute drive to right near their restuarant choice, then pick them up later and take them back.

Disney could have done a large part of that, had they wanted to.