More good news for Disney

BREAKING: Chairman @RepGallagher joins Select Committee Member @RepJimBanks’ letter to @Disney CEO Bob Iger after the company reportedly cancelled an off-the-record meeting with Uyghur genocide victims.

“Disney never apologized for partnering with and praising Chinese Communist… pic.twitter.com/QwIOtbul99

— The Select Committee on the CCP (@committeeonccp) May 11, 2023

And DeSantis and friends are making not so veiled threats at Disney to shutdown Monorail and Skyliner transportation anytime they wish for as long as they wish for "inspection'.

The tit for tat is bad for both parties. But potentially worse for DeSantis. MSM is not going to get all jones up over the Uyghurs (see NBA). However, showing a bunch of big folks sweating in July Orlando heat waiting on busses because someone is playing games with the monorail… well, that's just right up their alley for sensationalizing things.

I still support DeSantis trying to get this worked out rather than dragging it out.

Andrew's take on Florida being "anti-business" under DeSantis, big business circling the wagons around Disney?

Watching the video now, but do you know why this cat lives abroad? He's pretty young dude and seems very smart, particularly on some of these topics. But his being in Thailand and referring to living abroad struck me as a little odd.

Curious if you know from other videos why he lives outside the US.

Back on topic, I think the wagons may circle particularly as DeSantis expands his targets outside of RCID as he has done with transportation inspection nonsense.

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Watching the video now, but do you know why this cat lives abroad? He's pretty young dude and seems very smart, particularly on some of these topics. But his being in Thailand and referring to living abroad struck me as a little odd.

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I know he has a day job but not sure which company made him an offer he couldn't refuse. He's based out Seoul but has a circuit he frequently travels to Japan, Malaysia, Thailand and the like.

I do know that Legal Vices' Jeff, is a specialist in maritime law which is why he lives in Korea and works for a large shipping company.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-ratcatcher/

This is a very long, and interesting article if you care to hear more substance of this issue. I grabbed only a few things from it, but the whole thing is pretty good.

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It started last March over a piece of legislation that prohibited teaching students below third grade about divergent sexual and gender identitiesand the instruction that inevitably comes with these themes. The fighting intensified as the governor and Florida's elected representatives tried to find ways to rein in Disney's power. The fight has been particularly intense for the past ninety days or so, as the governor and legislators sprang their rat trap.

If DeSantis and his allies have their way, the war will end with the dismantling of Disney's numerous special privileges granted by the state, which the company has enjoyed for the last half-century, including the ability essentially to govern itself via the Reedy Creek Improvement District. DeSantis recently signed legislation doing precisely that. But first, Mickey wants his day in court. This is America, after all.

The episode has raised key questions about sovereignty, the proper relationship between corporations and the state, public and private power, and how conservatives should conceive of markets and our economic system. Like Lewis Carroll's egg-man, Disney, which did not respond to requests for comment, has enunciated from its perch the only important political question: Who is to be masterthe people's duly elected representatives, or a private enterprise?

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When the media initially started referring to H.B. 1557 as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, the governor had no idea what they were referring to. "All of a sudden, I'm out doing just random press conferences, and I hear the media start repeating ['Don't Say Gay']," DeSantis told me with a chuckle.

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"The interesting thing about the Disney example is that DeSantis wasn't going after Disney because Disney was being woke," Oren Cass, executive director of American Compass, commented. "Disney can put whatever crap it wants on the Disney Channel, and that wasn't necessarily going to elicit a response. What elicited response was Disney's decision to try to get involved in the political process."

"That's another really interesting challenge for the right of center is the sort of Citizens United-era assumption, that there's no problem with corporations speaking, they're just people, is probably not a very good one," Cass continued. "I think there's some very interesting rethinking of Citizens United starting to happen."

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"What is a free market?" DeSantis shot back, cutting me off mid-question as I cited other right-of-center writers that complained DeSantis did not have adequate "fealty" to free-market principles.
"Does an absence of government necessarily mean free market?" DeSantis asked rhetorically. "I would say, sometimes, absence of government could just devolve into corporatism, and I think too many people on the right have basically been corporatists over the years."

"What even is the free market is exactly the right [question]," Cass said when I told him about DeSantis's comment. "The analogy I've started drawing that I think makes sense, is what do we mean by democracy? By democracy, we don't mean everybody just votes on everything. Democracy is shorthand for actually a very sophisticated system of institutions with constraints and checks and balances."
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His libertarian critics might bemoan our current welfare state, but they're for a welfare of a different kind: corporate welfare.

"If you're a libertarian, how do you justify Reedy Creek? That's the opposite of libertarianism," DeSantis said with a firm, instructive tone towards his detractors. "It is corporate welfare," DeSantis added. "We are under no obligation as a state to continue that arrangement." Failing to act when a massive company with quasi-governmental powers vows "to wage a jihad against this bill legislatively means we're subsidizing that activity" amounts to subsidizing that behavior, DeSantis suggested. "Why would we want to subsidize that?"
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By using private actors to wield public power, the left, progressive and neoliberal, circumvents the will of the people. "Why would they try to do that? Because they want to delegitimize the founding of this country. Delegitimize the institutions that that generation spawned, and then say, you know what, our founding principles need to be modern day leftist ideology," DeSantis told me.
"What Americans writ large are realizing is this is our moment." Roberts said, commenting on the way DeSantis seems to be leading the charge against the left's cultural agenda. "This is our moment to demand that our politicians use the power they have. This is the moment for us to demand of companies, whether they're Google, or Facebook, or Disney, that you listen to us, rather than ram down our throats and into our own families all of the garbage that you've been pushing on us. This is our time to demand that you do what we say. And it's glorious."

"A lot of these fights are really foundational fights about what it means to be an American," DeSantis said as our interview came to an end. "So, it's something that we fight for."

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-ratcatcher/

This is a very long, and interesting article if you care to hear more substance of this issue. I grabbed only a few things from it, but the whole thing is pretty good.

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It started last March over a piece of legislation that prohibited teaching students below third grade about divergent sexual and gender identitiesand the instruction that inevitably comes with these themes. The fighting intensified as the governor and Florida's elected representatives tried to find ways to rein in Disney's power. The fight has been particularly intense for the past ninety days or so, as the governor and legislators sprang their rat trap.

If DeSantis and his allies have their way, the war will end with the dismantling of Disney's numerous special privileges granted by the state, which the company has enjoyed for the last half-century, including the ability essentially to govern itself via the Reedy Creek Improvement District. DeSantis recently signed legislation doing precisely that. But first, Mickey wants his day in court. This is America, after all.

The episode has raised key questions about sovereignty, the proper relationship between corporations and the state, public and private power, and how conservatives should conceive of markets and our economic system. Like Lewis Carroll's egg-man, Disney, which did not respond to requests for comment, has enunciated from its perch the only important political question: Who is to be masterthe people's duly elected representatives, or a private enterprise?

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When the media initially started referring to H.B. 1557 as the "Don't Say Gay" bill, the governor had no idea what they were referring to. "All of a sudden, I'm out doing just random press conferences, and I hear the media start repeating ['Don't Say Gay']," DeSantis told me with a chuckle.

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"The interesting thing about the Disney example is that DeSantis wasn't going after Disney because Disney was being woke," Oren Cass, executive director of American Compass, commented. "Disney can put whatever crap it wants on the Disney Channel, and that wasn't necessarily going to elicit a response. What elicited response was Disney's decision to try to get involved in the political process."

"That's another really interesting challenge for the right of center is the sort of Citizens United-era assumption, that there's no problem with corporations speaking, they're just people, is probably not a very good one," Cass continued. "I think there's some very interesting rethinking of Citizens United starting to happen."

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"What is a free market?" DeSantis shot back, cutting me off mid-question as I cited other right-of-center writers that complained DeSantis did not have adequate "fealty" to free-market principles.
"Does an absence of government necessarily mean free market?" DeSantis asked rhetorically. "I would say, sometimes, absence of government could just devolve into corporatism, and I think too many people on the right have basically been corporatists over the years."

"What even is the free market is exactly the right [question]," Cass said when I told him about DeSantis's comment. "The analogy I've started drawing that I think makes sense, is what do we mean by democracy? By democracy, we don't mean everybody just votes on everything. Democracy is shorthand for actually a very sophisticated system of institutions with constraints and checks and balances."
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His libertarian critics might bemoan our current welfare state, but they're for a welfare of a different kind: corporate welfare.

"If you're a libertarian, how do you justify Reedy Creek? That's the opposite of libertarianism," DeSantis said with a firm, instructive tone towards his detractors. "It is corporate welfare," DeSantis added. "We are under no obligation as a state to continue that arrangement." Failing to act when a massive company with quasi-governmental powers vows "to wage a jihad against this bill legislatively means we're subsidizing that activity" amounts to subsidizing that behavior, DeSantis suggested. "Why would we want to subsidize that?"
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By using private actors to wield public power, the left, progressive and neoliberal, circumvents the will of the people. "Why would they try to do that? Because they want to delegitimize the founding of this country. Delegitimize the institutions that that generation spawned, and then say, you know what, our founding principles need to be modern day leftist ideology," DeSantis told me.
"What Americans writ large are realizing is this is our moment." Roberts said, commenting on the way DeSantis seems to be leading the charge against the left's cultural agenda. "This is our moment to demand that our politicians use the power they have. This is the moment for us to demand of companies, whether they're Google, or Facebook, or Disney, that you listen to us, rather than ram down our throats and into our own families all of the garbage that you've been pushing on us. This is our time to demand that you do what we say. And it's glorious."

"A lot of these fights are really foundational fights about what it means to be an American," DeSantis said as our interview came to an end. "So, it's something that we fight for."

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That's a good interview.

Shareholder lawsuit against Disney. Under seven minute discussion by Andrew.



Disney+ is crashing, losing massive subscribers. Cooking the books is one allegation.

Also Disney filed a motion to dismiss but that will probably fail. Andrew's explanation of why.

Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

Not sure if the campus was only to house relocated cast members from CA or will some of the current offices in Celebration and LBV be moved to the new campus.

That commute would suck for folks that live near WDW to have to get to Lake Nona.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Citing "changing business conditions" and the return of CEO Bob Iger, Josh D'Amaro, chairman of Disney's parks, experiences and products division, penned a memo to employees Thursday, announcing that the company will not move forward with construction of the campus and will no longer be asking more than 2,000 California-based employees to relocate to Florida.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Why would FL Leg be involved in the construction process of the campus? It would be city and county, not state that would be approving the permits and such.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Good, keeps the commie employees in California.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Why would FL Leg be involved in the construction process of the campus? It would be city and county, not state that would be approving the permits and such.

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But then he can't attack DeSantis...duh.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Why would FL Leg be involved in the construction process of the campus? It would be city and county, not state that would be approving the permits and such.

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it's not like this stopped them before. they don't care.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Why would FL Leg be involved in the construction process of the campus? It would be city and county, not state that would be approving the permits and such.

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it's not like this stopped them before. they don't care.

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The Leg had authority over RCID; they do not over OC nor Lake Nona. HTH.

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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Can't blame them. DeSantis and the FL Lege would harass them throughout the entire construction process and they'd end up spending millions in litigation expenses alone. And it's not like any of this would end soon, with DeSantis in office until 2027 (assuming no presidency).

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Why would FL Leg be involved in the construction process of the campus? It would be city and county, not state that would be approving the permits and such.

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it's not like this stopped them before. they don't care.

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Show your work...

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Disney scraps the new $900MM Florida campus, surprised they waited this long.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/05/18/disney-scraps-lake-nona-florida-campus.html

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I would bet this has more to do with their streaming division crashing and burning and losses elsewhere in the company than anything DeSantis or Florida are doing. Can't easily justify a $900MM new campus and relocation expenses for 2,000 people when you are laying off thousands of others.

In marketing and PR battles, nobody cares why. Ron D just walked into this mess. Disney is going to run train on this idiot. Absolutely cannot get out of hole he dug for himself. Stick to taxes, the economy, avoiding wars, protecting liberties but not fighting gay folks. Such a mistake.

https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/11/08/desantis-wins-2022-florida-governors-race-by-largest-margin-in-40-years/

Remember the election was after the Disney fight started

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In marketing and PR battles, nobody cares why. Ron D just walked into this mess. Disney is going to run train on this idiot. Absolutely cannot get out of hole he dug for himself. Stick to taxes, the economy, avoiding wars, protecting liberties but not fighting gay folks. Such a mistake.

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No, Disney did. Do you understand that a billion dollars worth of bond issuances are about to be declared in default due to the securities fraud that Disney has done?

Lincoln Project and Trump campaign today

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Lincoln Project and Trump campaign today

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Anybody the Lincoln Project is against is probably somebody you should consider voting for. Much like Jim Cramer and Paul Krugman, they are pretty much wrong on every issue they take a side.

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In marketing and PR battles, nobody cares why. Ron D just walked into this mess. Disney is going to run train on this idiot. Absolutely cannot get out of hole he dug for himself. Stick to taxes, the economy, avoiding wars, protecting liberties but not fighting gay folks. Such a mistake.

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What a load of crap.

"fighting gays"

Show me where the bill says anything about gays.
The bill actually prevents teaching sexually inappropriate material from kindergartners to 3rd graders.
The fact that you are against this sexualization of little children speaks volumes about the depravity of progressives.

This isn't about marketing and PR battles. Its about not giving progressives access to sexualize our kids.

So the thing that nobody wanted to do…
And had no signs of even starting…

Is nixed because of DeSantis?

/jenniferlawrenceokaygif

Lots of folks not getting how politics work. Truth is irrelevant. How you can s[in it to get votes is what matters.

Watch the Ds and learn.

To be honest, f16 should be a place of "95% Biden is a corrupt mother ****er as are the 81 million who voted for him" posts.

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Lots of folks not getting how politics work. Truth is irrelevant. How you can s[in it to get votes is what matters.

Watch the Ds and learn.

To be honest, f16 should be a place of "95% Biden is a corrupt mother ****er as are the 81 million who voted for him" posts.

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Apparently everyone at Disney is gay now.

I mean, I feel the gay when I ride It's a Small World and the Thailand ladyboys are singing a foreign siren to me.

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In marketing and PR battles, nobody cares why. Ron D just walked into this mess. Disney is going to run train on this idiot. Absolutely cannot get out of hole he dug for himself. Stick to taxes, the economy, avoiding wars, protecting liberties but not fighting gay folks. Such a mistake.

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Bolded is a lie, apparently you have not read the bill.

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In marketing and PR battles, nobody cares why. Ron D just walked into this mess. Disney is going to run train on this idiot. Absolutely cannot get out of hole he dug for himself. Stick to taxes, the economy, avoiding wars, protecting liberties but not fighting gay folks. Such a mistake.

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Are you saying gays want porn and sexual degeneracy available to young children?

We're finding out who's pulling for the mouse here.

Wow. Thanks for the links. That's a hell of a charge.

Not to say the Bud leadership would fall into the same sort of category (cooking the books ), but it's interesting timing. I'd be careful putting too much lipstick on a transsexual pig right now and misleading shareholders.