I am of the opinion that we should void all truancy laws. Why? Because schools are nothing but child daycare at this point and many kids have no desire at all to be there or do any work. In the modern world where we have systematically removed any real authority a school has and removed their ability to punish students in any way, schools are demonstrably more dangerous as a result.

Behavior in many schools is horrific to the extent that it's becoming dangerous for teachers now. The way to solve this since we can't fix the discipline issue is to remove truancy laws. If these kids don't want to be there? Fine, let them leave and figure it out on their own. They are graduating without being able to read anyway and they will go on welfare regardless so does them being in school even matter anymore? Just let them go do what they want and leave school for the kids who actually want to learn and improve themselves.

It's the only way to fix many of these problems if teachers and administrators are not allowed do discipline anyone.

these are not enforced as it is.

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these are not enforced as it is.

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This makes it official. Many of these kids go back they still understand it's against the law. Take that away and most of the worst kids will stop going.

kids these days have zero fear of the law or rules placed on them in schools

That was so 2015 bra

https://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/19/texas-decriminalize-truancy-after-abbott-signs-bil/

It's unfortunately a risk these days sending your children to public school. What they are exposed to, even from other children, undermines traditional rearing. Thankfully Texas allows for other options.

Society has failed children. A large percentage of parents are idiots that care more about *****ing on social media than raising their kids to be productive citizens.

But we shouldn't void anything - from truancy laws to dress codes - children should learn they have expectations to meet.

Agree. Cumpusory attendance for those who don't want to be there corrupts the whole system.
In this day and time of home school, charter school and computer based training, those who want to come back after dropping out can do so without walking the halls.

Kids should be in schools. Lessening expectations is not the way. Lessening expectations creates laziness. Laziness creates unproductive societal members. Unproductive societal members put more of a burden on the rest of us. The Judicial system is broken. We should be demanding that the justice system do its job and demanding them to stop treating offenders like they are the victims.

I agree, but Public School Administrations will fight this tooth and nail because without all of those "Butts-in-Seats" they can't ask for their $200-500k salaries.
Private Schools and Homeschooling can be effective also.
Young adults should not leave High School without at least one skill for some kind of employment.

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I bet that was a substitute.

And we already took away criminal penalties for truancy.

misterguinness said:

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Kids should be in schools. Lessening expectations is not the way. Lessening expectations creates laziness. Laziness creates unproductive societal members. Unproductive societal members put more of a burden on the rest of us. The Judicial system is broken. We should be demanding that the justice system do its job and demanding them to stop treating offenders like they are the victims.

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These kids will either be in prison or on welfare, they will never be contributing members to society. I see zero reason to bother helping these kids. It just makes the entire education system vastly worse for kids who want to learn and teachers who want to teach.

Schools in many areas are about to start hemorrhaging teachers because the administrators are incapable or unwilling to do anything at all about discipline. These schools have changed in just a few years from being decent to horrific. Why should we force these kids to be there if they don't want to? The way to deal with them is just say "there is the door, don't let it hit you on the way out." No need for discipline, just let them walk out the door. Don't need to expel, just tell them they don't have to be at school. The problem will solve itself.

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I agree, but Public School Administrations will fight this tooth and nail because without all of those "Butts-in-Seats" they can't ask for their $200-500k salaries.
Private Schools and Homeschooling can be effective also.
Young adults should not leave High School without at least one skill for some kind of employment.

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The kids I am talking about will amount to nothing and will forever be a drain on the system. Schools shouldn't even bother, just let them go do what they want.

Lol, as we speak, Biden setting up processing centers in Central America to expedite their way in. Lol. Americans will be shoved out of jobs, schools fixing to be overflowing with non English speaking kids. We are here to save the world!

Come on Abbott, we need to fundamentally change Martha's Vineyard and Delaware with more bus loads.

I care a lot less about school attendance after COVID.

When you realize truancy laws are simply a way to ensure ISD funding, you care a lot less.

I believe truancy laws existed long before the department of education and funding mechanisms based on attendance. That may be part of why they persist, but so imagine their origin was an attempt to give law enforcement a mechanism to maintain some degree of law and order regarding teenagers, and society at least an attempt to civilize the cretinous youth to a degree some of them might be made useful citizens instead of a future social burden or criminal problem.

You have to at least attempt to get children to conform to social standards to the degree necessary to have a fundamentally cohesive society and the education system can help do that since most kids are now not put to labor on the family farm or shop or occupation, which had been the normal function of older children for millenia.

Correct but they only exist still for those reasons.

Public schools need to be able to disciple kids. If they don't have that authority, then it's probably better misbehaved kids aren't enrolled.

The current public school system is one of the biggest waste of money ever. It is a daycare system at this point.

There is no reason people should be required to go K-12.

The entire system needs to be replaced.

School taxes are absolutely ridiculous and have just become acceptable!

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I believe truancy laws existed long before the department of education and funding mechanisms based on attendance. That may be part of why they persist, but so imagine their origin was an attempt to give law enforcement a mechanism to maintain some degree of law and order regarding teenagers, and society at least an attempt to civilize the cretinous youth to a degree some of them might be made useful citizens instead of a future social burden or criminal problem.

You have to at least attempt to get children to conform to social standards to the degree necessary to have a fundamentally cohesive society and the education system can help do that since most kids are now not put to labor on the family farm or shop or occupation, which had been the normal function of older children for millenia.

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What functioning society? If you can't discipline how do you enforce anything at all? It's flat dangerous for virtually any actual teacher in a large amount of schools. They walk around and get cursed out trying to get students to go to class. Woe be the teacher that tries to take a kid's phone.

The kids will end up in prison or on welfare. Why are we bothering to care when they clearly don't?

Is it really any better to just push these kids along and graduate illiterate idiots then just let them go and do what they want as illiterate idiots? What's the difference? They aren't going to amount to anything so why care?

Many of you are basing your opinion on how things were when you grew up. It's not remotely that way at all. Everything is different and a large amount of kids do not care and will never care. Teaching them is impossible and takes away resources from kids who want them. Schools cannot discipline because they fear being called racist or being sued.

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It's unfortunately a risk these days sending your children to public school. What they are exposed to, even from other children, undermines traditional rearing. Thankfully Texas allows for other options.

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Yep, mandated education has run its course. Let the ditch diggers get to digging ditches. They ruin it for those that actually want to learn.

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australopithecus robustus said:

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It's unfortunately a risk these days sending your children to public school. What they are exposed to, even from other children, undermines traditional rearing. Thankfully Texas allows for other options.

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Yep, mandated education has run its course. Let the ditch diggers get to digging ditches. They ruin it for those that actually want to learn.

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They won't be digging ditches, they will either go to prison, die, or go on welfare. Work is also out of the question. Anyone who expects literally anything out of these types of kids is delusional.

Given they have no teeth and are largely ignored, they do seem pointless but they could be a useful tool to help maintain civil order if enforced for that purpose, and the children were actually disciplined to be educated. I just thing mobs of miscreants running around with no discretionary enforcement mechanism outside of catching them doing something criminal isn't going to turn out well.

You're right, they'll just reach the destination quicker. You'd have to eliminate the welfare teat and just start building more prisons in advance. None of the above will never happen, though.

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Joseph Freshwater, Sr said:

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australopithecus robustus said:

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It's unfortunately a risk these days sending your children to public school. What they are exposed to, even from other children, undermines traditional rearing. Thankfully Texas allows for other options.

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Yep, mandated education has run its course. Let the ditch diggers get to digging ditches. They ruin it for those that actually want to learn.

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They won't be digging ditches, they will either go to prison, die, or go on welfare. Work is also out of the question. Anyone who expects literally anything out of these types of kids is delusional.

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That's already happening. School or no school. Forcing them to go to school just disrupts things for everyone else.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Given they have no teeth and are largely ignored, they do seem pointless but they could be a useful tool to help maintain civil order if enforced for that purpose, and the children were actually disciplined to be educated. I just thing mobs of miscreants running around with no discretionary enforcement mechanism outside of catching them doing something criminal isn't going to turn out well.

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The converse problem is that many High Schools in urban areas are now nothing more than Teenage day care centers with miscreants destroying the learning environment for others.

Either enroll in and attend public schools until the age of 18, or be conscripted to state/national armed services. Same for the trouble makers. No free rides! Children need discipline, a work ethic and to learn a trade or marketable skills. The military complex could be shaped to provide that even for children. Turning them to the streets is a losing proposition for society as they certainly will become a bigger liability.

Won't happen as long as school funding is based on attendance.

If you think we have feral humans now wait until we have a bunch of people who have been running wild and accountable to no one since they were pre-teen. Imagine what they are going to do with themselves while not in school. They are going to be adopted and raised by criminal gangs who will absolutely have them commit all kinds of crimes because they won't be arrested and tried as adults. This is a horrible idea.

Nanomachines son said:

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I am of the opinion that we should void all truancy laws. Why? Because schools are nothing but child daycare at this point and many kids have no desire at all to be there or do any work. In the modern world where we have systematically removed any real authority a school has and removed their ability to punish students in any way, schools are demonstrably more dangerous as a result.

Behavior in many schools is horrific to the extent that it's becoming dangerous for teachers now. The way to solve this since we can't fix the discipline issue is to remove truancy laws. If these kids don't want to be there? Fine, let them leave and figure it out on their own. They are graduating without being able to read anyway and they will go on welfare regardless so does them being in school even matter anymore? Just let them go do what they want and leave school for the kids who actually want to learn and improve themselves.

It's the only way to fix many of these problems if teachers and administrators are not allowed do discipline anyone.

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I agree.

They are going to use truancy laws to go after home schoolers.

There have been attempts in multiple states.

Here is one from Tennessee:
https://tnchristiannews.wordpress.com/2014/12/04/hslda-defending-tn-homeschoolers-in-court/

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Nanomachines son said:

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australopithecus robustus said:

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It's unfortunately a risk these days sending your children to public school. What they are exposed to, even from other children, undermines traditional rearing. Thankfully Texas allows for other options.

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Yep, mandated education has run its course. Let the ditch diggers get to digging ditches. They ruin it for those that actually want to learn.

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They won't be digging ditches, they will either go to prison, die, or go on welfare. Work is also out of the question. Anyone who expects literally anything out of these types of kids is delusional.

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That's already happening. School or no school. Forcing them to go to school just disrupts things for everyone else.

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Exactly.

The Chinese and Indian immigrants in our school district actually withdraw their kids from school in December, go home for six to eight weeks, then re-enroll them when they get back -- all to avoid truancy charges.

Imagine the administrative work that causes.

FWIW, my sister was a teacher and TA for many years, my brother has been a teacher and coach for almost 20 years, and I have several relatives that are currently teachers or retired teachers. I am reasonably informed about their classroom experiences. Most kids are just fine or you can work with us what is gather. It is how the administration decides to deal with serial problem children (or parents) that is usually the issue. Of course, there are areas where problem children occur in might higher concentrations due to socioeconomic issues and related social culture problems.

I can agree the laws in current application may be obsolete.