LoudestWHOOP! said:

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I agree, but Public School Administrations will fight this tooth and nail because without all of those "Butts-in-Seats" they can't ask for their $200-500k salaries.
Private Schools and Homeschooling can be effective also.
Young adults should not leave High School without at least one skill for some kind of employment.

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That's not the administrations fault though. The state bases their funding on 'butts in seats'. We can blame the administrations, but the legislature put the system in place. Unfortunately people have learned to circumvent the system to make it work.
I can tell you that a great deal of the problems come from 1) parenting going down hill 2) Teachers not getting the support from administration leading to hiring whoever they can to teach and 3) the state constantly changing the benchmarks and requirements so districts are constantly behind.

The issues that public education faces - and there are certainly plenty - are a microcosm of a godless society.

Perhaps kids don't want to go to school because they are ****ing war zones.

TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps kids don't want to go to school because they are ****ing war zones.

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Chicken or the Egg

BluHorseShu said:

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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I agree, but Public School Administrations will fight this tooth and nail because without all of those "Butts-in-Seats" they can't ask for their $200-500k salaries.
Private Schools and Homeschooling can be effective also.
Young adults should not leave High School without at least one skill for some kind of employment.

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That's not the administrations fault though. The state bases their funding on 'butts in seats'. We can blame the administrations, but the legislature put the system in place. Unfortunately people have learned to circumvent the system to make it work.
I can tell you that a great deal of the problems come from 1) parenting going down hill 2) Teachers not getting the support from administration leading to hiring whoever they can to teach and 3) the state constantly changing the benchmarks and requirements so districts are constantly behind.

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If you are trying to say "The whole system is screwed up", you won't get an argument from me.

I would rather ISD's mean Independent School Districts again, if they ever did in my 56 year lifetime?
No school should have to or be allowed to beg outside of their district for money.
The district citizens should be responsible and they should pay for their own students.
They should also control the content of what should be taught.
But alas.

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misterguinness said:

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Kids should be in schools. Lessening expectations is not the way. Lessening expectations creates laziness. Laziness creates unproductive societal members. Unproductive societal members put more of a burden on the rest of us. The Judicial system is broken. We should be demanding that the justice system do its job and demanding them to stop treating offenders like they are the victims.

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These kids will either be in prison or on welfare, they will never be contributing members to society. I see zero reason to bother helping these kids. It just makes the entire education system vastly worse for kids who want to learn and teachers who want to teach.

Schools in many areas are about to start hemorrhaging teachers because the administrators are incapable or unwilling to do anything at all about discipline. These schools have changed in just a few years from being decent to horrific. Why should we force these kids to be there if they don't want to? The way to deal with them is just say "there is the door, don't let it hit you on the way out." No need for discipline, just let them walk out the door. Don't need to expel, just tell them they don't have to be at school. The problem will solve itself.

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How very Christian of you to be so dismissing of others who need help.

TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps kids don't want to go to school because they are ****ing war zones.

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Only where liberals are in charge

I am flinging blue stars around like crazy. This is a really good discussion. The concept of military school learning caught my attention. I like it. Their parents aren't going to teach them anything.

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Nanomachines son said:

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misterguinness said:

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Kids should be in schools. Lessening expectations is not the way. Lessening expectations creates laziness. Laziness creates unproductive societal members. Unproductive societal members put more of a burden on the rest of us. The Judicial system is broken. We should be demanding that the justice system do its job and demanding them to stop treating offenders like they are the victims.

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These kids will either be in prison or on welfare, they will never be contributing members to society. I see zero reason to bother helping these kids. It just makes the entire education system vastly worse for kids who want to learn and teachers who want to teach.

Schools in many areas are about to start hemorrhaging teachers because the administrators are incapable or unwilling to do anything at all about discipline. These schools have changed in just a few years from being decent to horrific. Why should we force these kids to be there if they don't want to? The way to deal with them is just say "there is the door, don't let it hit you on the way out." No need for discipline, just let them walk out the door. Don't need to expel, just tell them they don't have to be at school. The problem will solve itself.

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How very Christian of you to be so dismissing of others who need help.

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Being a Christian doesn't mean prostrating yourself for others, which is exactly what is happening in these schools. The teachers are legit in danger in many of these places.

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TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps kids don't want to go to school because they are ****ing war zones.

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Only where liberals are in charge

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Here's where they've happened in the past few months...

• Knoxville, TN
• Richmond, VA
• Greenville, NC
• Nashville, TN
• Denver, CO
• Dallas, TX
• Arlington, TX
• Indianapolis, IN
• Amarillo, TX
• Des Moines, IA
• St. Paul, MN
• Del City, OK

Doesn't look a list of towns where "liberals are in charge".

TxAgswin said:

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cevans_40 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps kids don't want to go to school because they are ****ing war zones.

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Only where liberals are in charge

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Here's where they've happened in the past few months...

• Knoxville, TN
• Richmond, VA
• Greenville, NC
• Nashville, TN
• Denver, CO
• Dallas, TX
• Arlington, TX
• Indianapolis, IN
• Amarillo, TX
• Des Moines, IA
• St. Paul, MN
• Del City, OK

Doesn't look a list of towns where "liberals are in charge".

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Well your looking skills suck major anus. Arlington, Amarillo, and Del City are the only non-democrat cities.

Most of the kids in my school are great and they are really good students. Some are little ****s but that has been the case since the dawn of time.

That's a list of pretty conservative towns.

I guess it depends on your metric.

All densely populated areas tend to lean left. It's where all the universities and libraries and all that book-learn'n liberal nonsense come from.

Public schools are dead and anybody that argues that is clueless.

Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

tmaggies said:

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Public schools are dead and anybody that argues that is clueless.

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Pussified parents who desperately want to be friends with their children are the root of this problem.

TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Lol. And I say that as a teacher who is married to a teacher.

TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Problem is a lot deeper than just teachers pay.

Thank you for being a teacher.

I think you deserve to be paid more.

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TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Problem is a lot deeper than just teachers pay.

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True.

But let's start there.

TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Teacher pay doesn't affect the societal problems they are tasked with. What difference would doubling their pay make to idiot parents that aren't worth a damn at child rearing?

TxAgswin said:

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Thank you for being a teacher.

I think you deserve to be paid more.

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What I deserve is to have backing of parents and admin. The kids are not the problem, it's the adults. And every bit of those issues are a direct reflection of liberal Democrat policies.

Old May Banker said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Teacher pay doesn't affect the societal problems they are tasked with. What difference would doubling their pay make to idiot parents that aren't worth a damn at child rearing?

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It would make an enormous difference.

Teachers don't teach because they want to get rich. But they very often have to choose to do something else because they don't want to be poor either.

The best investment a government can make is in education.

Governments that spend heavily on education tend to not have to the economic burdens that lack of education creates - crime, prisons, heath care issues related to addiction, etc.

Education is the answer to almost all problems.

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TxAgswin said:

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Thank you for being a teacher.

I think you deserve to be paid more.

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What I deserve is to have backing of parents and admin. The kids are not the problem, it's the adults. And every bit of those issues are a direct reflection of liberal Democrat policies.

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I'm sorry. I try to be respectful, but that's just ****ing nonsense.

You can't legislate parenting.

What "liberal democrat policies" are forcing adults into being bad parents?

TxAgswin said:

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cevans_40 said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Thank you for being a teacher.

I think you deserve to be paid more.

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What I deserve is to have backing of parents and admin. The kids are not the problem, it's the adults. And every bit of those issues are a direct reflection of liberal Democrat policies.

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I'm sorry. I try to be respectful, but that's just ****ing nonsense.

You can't legislate parenting.

What "liberal democrat policies" are forcing adults into being bad parents?

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First and foremost, financially rewarding single moms for having more kids.

I honestly wish there was a kind of "toughen up" school.

All male teachers.

Curriculum includes:
- normal Texas subjects with focus on reason, logic, and skepticism
- basic horticulture and farming
- self defense and weapons use and safety
- survival techniques
- basic mechanical, electrical, hydraulics, metalcrafting, and woodcrafting

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Because schools are nothing but child daycare at this point

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Why do you say that?

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and many kids have no desire at all to be there or do any work.

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What evidence do you have of that?

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In the modern world where we have systematically removed any real authority a school has and removed their ability to punish students in any way, schools are demonstrably more dangerous as a result.

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What have we removed? What stats say that schools are more dangerous after removing whatever you say we removed?

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What have we removed? What stats say that schools are more dangerous after removing whatever you say we removed?

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I'm pretty sure that most schools have removed corporal punishment and a teacher's right to defend themselves without getting sued / fired... don't be coy and pretend teachers have near the same ability to discipline children or have the parents support today as compared to 40 years ago.... and did you really ask if schools are more dangerous? Lol

Now an 8 year old has the capacity to decide if they need to go to school or not? Do we let all these kids not in school just roam the streets, or do we put them to work in the coal mines and slaughter houses like the good 'Ol days?

Quite a society being dreamed up around these parts. Only male, Christian, net tax paying landowners can vote, and kids don't have to go to school.

TxAgswin said:

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That's a list of pretty conservative towns.

I guess it depends on your metric.

All densely populated areas tend to lean left. It's where all the universities and libraries and all that book-learn'n liberal nonsense come from.

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Conservative towns?? What exactly is your metric? To the right of San Francisco?

Old May Banker said:

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What have we removed? What stats say that schools are more dangerous after removing whatever you say we removed?

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I'm pretty sure that most schools have removed corporal punishment

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That's true

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and a teacher's right to defend themselves without getting sued / fired

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That's not true

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... don't be coy and pretend teachers have near the same ability to discipline children or have the parents support today as compared to 40 years ago.... and did you really ask if schools are more dangerous? Lol

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Yes, please provide actual evidence of claims.

100% agree.

Kids that are behavior problems have parents that allow it. 100% starts with the parents expectations of their child and 100% ends with the parent's discipline / accountability of that child should expectations not be met.

I try to be respectful but that's damn nonsense. The teacher is 100% correct. Political policies enable and pacify cultural rot. A VAST majority of disrespectful kids have parents that side with liberal policy. Problems kids on the conservative side of course 100% exist, but those kids don't continue to be problems 100% of the time all year long. Their parents correct the issue, as they also respect the teachers. They have parents involved in their kids education.

I would argue they are dying certainly but not dead.

However, if the parents don't stop being the problem and creating more problems it will drastically shorten the time to complete failure.

Old May Banker said:

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TxAgswin said:

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Perhaps we should pay teachers better.

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Teacher pay doesn't affect the societal problems they are tasked with. What difference would doubling their pay make to idiot parents that aren't worth a damn at child rearing?

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Why did many of you not consider teaching as a profession? If you did, why did you chose other jobs?