Is Putin an allied Turk president away from controlling the Bosporus?

Food for thought.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Is Putin an allied Turk president away from controlling the Bosporus?

Food for thought.

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If you think the CIA tinkered around too much in Ukraine with the color revolution, one can only imagine what they would do if a NATO member in the strategically important geopolitical situation of Turkey started to align with Russia.

CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

It's pretty much like millions of pee wee team players coming to the majors to talk baseball.

What do you hope to achieve? Are you there to ask the locals what church they go to and if they have ever heard of Christ and try to sell them an uneducated watered down version of Christianity.

Patriarchs and Bishops are killed and they replace them and keep going.

The Rum (Christians) have been persecuted for 500 years and have held onto their faith. The Muslims aren't going to convert because they want to be able to send their kids to school and not be persecuted.

Most of the times these "missions" seem like a grift to get others to pay for a free trip to a cool place.

Protestants are so ignorant of the Christian world outside of their own country. Less aware of how they are perceived as wackadoodle by far more ancient Christian communities.

Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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You must have missed the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France, which drove my Huguenot ancestors to Holland and to America. And the English Evangelical revivals, which did away with statutory slavery, and the 1st and 2nd Great Awakenings and the Pentecostal movement, which is now the fastest growing Christian movement worldwide…

His party/political 'team' in Turkey isn't going anywhere. They are the 'conservative' muslims there (Islamo-fascists), and they have no intention of relinquishing power.

Fun fact, they are basically all genetically Greek (having slaughtered the Armenians a century ago).

Headed to Antalya in Sept. hoping it's calm.

aggiehawg said:

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FWIW. Not sure that makes much sense.

🚨🇹🇷 We are investigating the reports that Turkish President has been poisoned after meeting with a Russian official.
Update: Erdogan has been rushed to hospital pic.twitter.com/IKG4hEZrli

— Terror Alarm (@Terror_Alarm) April 26, 2023

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Hilary isn't Russian.

We were in Antalya for a couple days. Spent a day wandering around the city and an afternoon at a beach. It was a cool city, especially the old part of the city. Prices should be really good for your visit.

We were actually in Kas when the new mayor of Istanbul was elected, who was opposed to Erdogan. There was a spontaneous street party with music, fireworks, dancing and Turkish flags. It was pretty amazing to see and sort of participate in their celebration. Erdogan did not seem popular.

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Erdogan's health-related incident gives us a glimpse at Turkey's presidential election, as our nation's begins to ramp up over the past few weeks. Bloomberg writes that he's "facing his toughest election since taking power in 2003," with six different political parties working together by nominating one candidate, Kemal Kilicdaroglu. Notice the tone of Kilicdaroglu's reaction to his political opponents' ill health:

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The opposition alliance has chosen Kemal Kilicdaroglu, 74, as its joint presidential contender in the May 14 vote. Kilicdaroglu wished Erdogan a quick recovery in a post on Twitter.

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Sounds like a great trip. Going to spend a few
Days in Antalya, then to Kos, then ferry to Rhodes.

Legal Custodian said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

It's pretty much like millions of pee wee team players coming to the majors to talk baseball.

What do you hope to achieve? Are you there to ask the locals what church they go to and if they have ever heard of Christ and try to sell them an uneducated watered down version of Christianity.

Patriarchs and Bishops are killed and they replace them and keep going.

The Rum (Christians) have been persecuted for 500 years and have held onto their faith. The Muslims aren't going to convert because they want to be able to send their kids to school and not be persecuted.

Most of the times these "missions" seem like a grift to get others to pay for a free trip to a cool place.

Protestants are so ignorant of the Christian world outside of their own country. Less aware of how they are perceived as wackadoodle by far more ancient Christian communities.

Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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What an absolutely ignorant and clearly biased statement to make

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Biased? On this topic of American Evangelism Missionary work in Orthodox countries…yes.

Ignorant? No.

UTExan said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

It's pretty much like millions of pee wee team players coming to the majors to talk baseball.

What do you hope to achieve? Are you there to ask the locals what church they go to and if they have ever heard of Christ and try to sell them an uneducated watered down version of Christianity.

Patriarchs and Bishops are killed and they replace them and keep going.

The Rum (Christians) have been persecuted for 500 years and have held onto their faith. The Muslims aren't going to convert because they want to be able to send their kids to school and not be persecuted.

Most of the times these "missions" seem like a grift to get others to pay for a free trip to a cool place.

Protestants are so ignorant of the Christian world outside of their own country. Less aware of how they are perceived as wackadoodle by far more ancient Christian communities.

Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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You must have missed the St Bartholomew's Day Massacre in France, which drove my Huguenot ancestors to Holland and to America. And the English Evangelical revivals, which did away with statutory slavery, and the 1st and 2nd Great Awakenings and the Pentecostal movement, which is now the fastest growing Christian movement worldwide…

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Ok….cool.

Everyone has been persecuted at some point. You either move on or dwell on it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot_rebellions

Kings always go easy on rebellion within their domain. Religion may have been the reason for the rebellion too.

CrackerJackAg said:

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Legal Custodian said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

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Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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What an absolutely ignorant and clearly biased statement to make

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Biased? On this topic of American Evangelism Missionary work in Orthodox countries…yes.

Ignorant? No.

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Ok how about crazy ?

Sweden finally tired of Turkey blocking their request to join NATO?

ttu_85 said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Legal Custodian said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

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Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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What an absolutely ignorant and clearly biased statement to make

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Biased? On this topic of American Evangelism Missionary work in Orthodox countries…yes.

Ignorant? No.

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Ok how about crazy ?

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I feel no need or desire to argue with you.

Enjoy your weekend.

Andrew99 said:

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My first tinfoil hat thought was Russia.
Seemed like Turkey was playing both sides a bit in the Russia-Ukraine conflict and they did supply Ukraine with the Bayraktar drones. Russia is also known for exposing political adversaries to unusual toxins.

Then again, heart attacks happen.

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I'd say it's highly unlikely Putin escalated from poisoning ex pat dissidents to NATO heads of state - especially where he and Erdogan have a working relationship in Syria and the Black Sea. He might as well poison Orban while he's at it as long as he's killing those least antagonistic to him.

CrackerJackAg said:

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ttu_85 said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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Legal Custodian said:

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CrackerJackAg said:

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agent-maroon said:

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96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a British Northern European mutt American I will sleep just fine. Until we meet the new boss.

Had a family member on a Baptist missionary trip land in Istanbul during the first hours of the fake coup attempt. Hostilities broke while he was in the air. Holed up in a hotel and was able to leave without too much trouble, but it was pretty intense as he could see military vehicles from the window at times. Needless to say he didn't complete the mission work as it was going to be there in Turkey and it wasn't a good time for that without the risk of martyrdom

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Protestants in Orthodox areas (rolls eyes).

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Go to Africa, go to India…. Orthodox countries have always said better the turbin than the Pope. Protestantism is far worse than the Pope.

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What an absolutely ignorant and clearly biased statement to make

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Biased? On this topic of American Evangelism Missionary work in Orthodox countries…yes.

Ignorant? No.

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Ok how about crazy ?

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I feel no need or desire to argue with you.

Enjoy your weekend.

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Yet you felt compelled to come lecture us about something completely unrelated to the topic when nobody asked your opinion on anything.

96AgGrad said:

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Aggie97 said:

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As a Greek American I won't lose sleep if he goes.

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As an Armenian American I probably won't care either.

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As a 7th generation Texan, Texit.

Weird post.

I was on a mission trip to Romania in the early '00s. The Orthodox Church there was not a Christian church at all. It was a political entity. The priest was literally threatening to beat the hell out of the locals I was working with if they came to our service. They didn't know Jesus and they didn't want people to know Him. They wanted to control and intimidate.

…and a completely ill-informed rant, at that.

Just got back from 3 weeks in Turkey, fantastic, historical country. My sense of politics is the elites want Erdogan out but he is popular in the rural areas, the May election should be interesting. Their world view is very much Turkey first, other relationships second.