TXAGFAN said:

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Get Off My Lawn said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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Happy to discuss your whataboutisms after we stop drag shows at schools with children getting genitals rubbed on them by grown men. Do you agree that should be banned?

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a man rubbing their genitals on someone, child or not, is assault. We have laws for that already.

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You failed to answer my question previously: what is your line at which point you cross over to our side? Is the above it? Genital contact? How about through clothes? Lap dances? Kids sitting on laps of dragsters? Twerking? Mutual provocative dance moves? One-party sexual simulation? Verbal descriptions?

Given your posting tendency I truly don't know if you have a line where you'd actually vote / oppose a rainbow-adorned "expansion of rights."

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Whos looking to expand rights? Where have I proposed that? Hint: I didn't.

I think existing laws are fine, no need to legislate what people do with their kids if it fits within existing laws. Again, if you're looking to curb real harm to children there are WAY more examples of creepy **** happening with dance, pageant, and social media kids then kids going to a one hour drag show (I'll leave out the other common examples of where kids are abused and stick to less offensive ones for your sensibilities).

Sorry I missed the GOP Authoritarian "We Know Better" memo all of you must have received on this and many issues in terms of a need for more legislation and laws to restrict people. So many examples of this lately on the right.

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Your thoughts on this proposal by Transperson

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/transgender-minnesota-lawmaker-introduces-bill-removing-anti-pedophile-language-states-human-rights-act

Funky Winkerbean said:

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No one under 18.

Simple.

Gay bars serve alcohol.

No one under 21.

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One student at A&M in the early 1970s told us about growing up in a certain city. According to him, the only bars that would sell alcohol to him and his buddies were gay bars. So they would go to gay bars to buy beer. I don't think they hung around the gay bars to drink it, though.

One of the biggest comedic plot twists in Ace Ventura was finding captain winkie and how gross it was. Jim Carey would prob comment about editing the film or nuking it entirely if someone asked him today. Amazing how far we've fallen since the mid 90s on a social scale.

Einhorn is Finkle. Finkle is Einhorn!!!

I think the bigger issue is the fact that they are involving minors in the act and telling them that this okay and normal. You don't see gay bars bringing in teenagers and telling them this is great and look how much fun you can have. It's not something politicians need to get involved with as much as the parents. There are more important topics that the politicians can flap their mouths about than this one. To each his own in this case, just leave the kids out of it.

shiftyandquick said:

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These are private businesses with adults. Doing their own thing. It's not my thing, but I don't see why from a liberty standpoint, it should be illegal.

Would the same argument be used to ban gay bars?

I guess I have too much libertarian in me to see this conservative "logic." Is this a "save the children" proposition?

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By posting this, you should be forced to change your username to shiftyandobtuse

Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

atmtws said:

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Conservatives don't want to make drag shows illegal, we don't want to ban books, we don't want to ban transitioning from male to female, female to male, white to black, etc. What we want is to have control over what our children (<18 yrs old) are exposed to, what they do, and when they can do it.

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When will conservatives wake up and quit agreeing that people can transition from male to female or female to male? It's not possible. Kids or adults. Quit agreeing with them saying that adults can transition their genders by putting on a dress and snipping off their bits.

So this isn't Puritan rage and moral panic over a rare goings-on that some parents of their own free will bring their kids to?

So you guys are okay with toddlers and young children being brought into movie theaters with simulated gay sex (in rated R movies) and this is perfectly legal, but you are not okay with a non-nude non-stripped down person in drag?

I've got to understand this better.

1872walker said:

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TXAGFAN,

You keep saying "banning drag shows" which you know not to be the case. This is the very definition of a strawman argument. If you can't be honest, how can you have discourse? I'm guessing that's not your desire.

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he can't be honest even with himself. He tries to say he is personally against exposing kids to drag shows but shows up on everything single thread to defend it. He is in full support of it.

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I've got to understand this better

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Every conservative here finally agrees with you.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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How does a political party advocate for grooming?

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When the party is run by a child groping & sniffing pervert!

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

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Why if there is no stripping or anything close to being sexually explicit going on at the drag show?

Bubblez said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

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Why if there is no stripping or anything close to being sexually explicit going on at the drag show?

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Drag shows are by their nature sexually explicit, because drag is at its core a sexual fetish. And that's fine, we do lots of stuff in society centered around fetishes, but that is what it is. Effectively all (>99%) of the people you would call drag queens are self described transgenders or gay men with autogynephilia. And given that the vast majority of self described transgendered men would be classified as gay men with autogynephilia if given a genuine psychiatric and sociological assessment, we can say that essentially all drag queens are gay men with a fetish for dressing up like women. Drag is by its nature more inherently sexual that just the act of being nude. Now obviously that isn't what happens in a strip club, but the point is you can't inherently separate drag from sexuality.

But all of that is really just missing the forest for the trees, given the overwhelming majority of drag shows are not subtle expressions of a male fetish. They are overtly and hyper sexual in most cases.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Bubblez said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

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Why if there is no stripping or anything close to being sexually explicit going on at the drag show?

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Drag shows are by their nature sexually explicit, because drag is at its core a sexual fetish. And that's fine, we do lots of stuff in society centered around fetishes, but that is what it is. Effectively all (>99%) of the people you would call drag queens are self described transgenders or gay men with autogynephilia. And given that the vast majority of self described transgendered men would be classified as gay men with autogynephilia if given a genuine psychiatric and sociological assessment, we can say that essentially all drag queens are gay men with a fetish for dressing up like women. Drag is by its nature more inherently sexual that just the act of being nude. Now obviously that isn't what happens in a strip club, but the point is you can't inherently separate drag from sexuality.

But all of that is really just missing the forest for the trees, given the overwhelming majority of drag shows are not subtle expressions of a male fetish. They are overtly and hyper sexual in most cases.

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So for you to give that sort of analysis, you must regularly attend a bunch of drag shows to be so certain as to exactly as to what is going on there.

Impressive! On a thread with so much degen flailing you manage the softest rebuttals and weakest attempt to redirect - both in the same sentence! Well done!

Bubblez said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Bubblez said:

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Infection_Ag11 said:

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Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

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Why if there is no stripping or anything close to being sexually explicit going on at the drag show?

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Drag shows are by their nature sexually explicit, because drag is at its core a sexual fetish. And that's fine, we do lots of stuff in society centered around fetishes, but that is what it is. Effectively all (>99%) of the people you would call drag queens are self described transgenders or gay men with autogynephilia. And given that the vast majority of self described transgendered men would be classified as gay men with autogynephilia if given a genuine psychiatric and sociological assessment, we can say that essentially all drag queens are gay men with a fetish for dressing up like women. Drag is by its nature more inherently sexual that just the act of being nude. Now obviously that isn't what happens in a strip club, but the point is you can't inherently separate drag from sexuality.

But all of that is really just missing the forest for the trees, given the overwhelming majority of drag shows are not subtle expressions of a male fetish. They are overtly and hyper sexual in most cases.

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So for you to give that sort of analysis, you must regularly attend a bunch of drag shows to be so certain as to exactly as to what is going on there.

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Are you suggesting that someone who has never been to a strip club should/would struggle to give you an approximate rundown of what goes on there and the sexual orientation/proclivities of those involved?

Do you really want me to start naming off all the events you, or I, or both have never or rarely attended but could provide an educated and detailed description/assessment of?

Drag queens being almost exclusively gay men with autogynephilia is an incredibly well documented, well studied phenomenon in the psychiatric and sexual health literature. It's not something anyone in that realm disputes regardless of political affiliation. And drag shows typically being overtly sexual is just as iron clad a reality as strip clubs being sexual.

AgDad121619 said:

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1872walker said:

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TXAGFAN,

You keep saying "banning drag shows" which you know not to be the case. This is the very definition of a strawman argument. If you can't be honest, how can you have discourse? I'm guessing that's not your desire.

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he can't be honest even with himself. He tries to say he is personally against exposing kids to drag shows but shows up on everything single thread to defend it. He is in full support of it.

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Tell us something new.

Infection_Ag11 said:

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Drag shows should have the EXACT same rules applied to them that are applied to strip clubs. I think it's wild that there isn't near universal societal consensus on this. They are functionally the exact same thing.

If you want to go to one, be my guest. You just can't bring your 9 year old.

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It seems so basic and logical yet here we are.

Funny stuff that poster above believes drag shows are not necessarily sexually explicit and "could be" kid friendly.

Assume such a person may be into some of that freaky anime pron or dressing up as a stuffed animal to get sexual.

Yep, all such perfectly normal, acceptable behavior. Where's the harm in it…

In. Be. Leave. A. Bell.

shiftyandquick said:

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So it's "limit liberty to save the children" and "in this case parents shouldn't decide, the state must decide"?

I'm asking what the conservative principle is here.

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Adhering to the law where 18= adult, and 21 is age to drink.

The draft shows that have been exposed are extremely adult-oriented. Thus, only adults should be allowed in. It's not rocket surgery.

deddog said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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1872walker said:

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TXAGFAN,

You keep saying "banning drag shows" which you know not to be the case. This is the very definition of a strawman argument. If you can't be honest, how can you have discourse? I'm guessing that's not your desire.

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he can't be honest even with himself. He tries to say he is personally against exposing kids to drag shows but shows up on everything single thread to defend it. He is in full support of it.

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Tell us something new.

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How about this:

There are a couple posters who take on losing fights because their goal is to frustrate mature conversation on topics. It's a combination of trolling, derailing, feigned misunderstanding, and a heckler's-veto.

They seem to stick around well after they should have moved on because they want to plug up the thread to disallow discussion of the OP's material.

Unfortunately this version of an internet forum is susceptible to that tactic (barring moderator intervention).

Shoefly! said:

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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How does a political party advocate for grooming?

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When the party is run by a child groping & sniffing pervert!

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It more stems from the fact that they hate God and are openly mocking Him.

But every knee shall bow…

shiftyandquick said:

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These are private businesses with adults. Doing their own thing. It's not my thing, but I don't see why from a liberty standpoint, it should be illegal.

Would the same argument be used to ban gay bars?

I guess I have too much libertarian in me to see this conservative "logic." Is this a "save the children" proposition?

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If you're honestly interested, this is the explanation in it's entirety.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/chris-rufo-vs-drag-queen-story-hour-groomers/

TXAGFAN said:

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fc2112 said:

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Grooming children for sex should be illegal, even if done on private property.

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We going to treat breastaurants the same way? You know Hooters, Twin Peaks, etc. What about pop concerts? Who determines what is grooming since drag doesn't equal sex, but hard to make that case for a Hooters or a pop concert dancing around on stage provocatively. Is there a church backed org who will be appointed by govt for this function? Dream big If we're going to legislate how people decide how to raise their kids and what they deem appropriate.

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Yes. And you bring up a good point for once. There should be age restrictions and location restrictions on those as well.

fka ftc said:

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I believe the main reason to involve children is to "expose" them to deviant lifestyles and behavior in an effort to convince them the behavior is "normal". From a pedophiliac perspective, this is oft correctly referred to as... grooming.

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Here's your answer from the horse's mouth……

Story teller tells the truth….it's not about literacy and reading