BigRobSA said:

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That's obviously murder. Not sure how one would think otherwise.

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If it takes a wolf to catch a wolf, and we often fight fire with fire....what kind of shoot stops a bad person lol?

Did the kid deserve to get shot? No, but do I care after what all has happened since 2020? Absolutely not.

(censored) yeah!!

Murder

I carry everyday. Murder might not be the correct word, call it manslaughter instead. Either way that's not a good shoot IMO (from the 6 sec clip).

The shooter is not under a direct threat. I don't see a weapon (hammer, knife, gun, 2"X4", etc) in the dude kicking the truck hands, I don't hear a verbal threat. The shooter is able to walk away.

All the dude is doing is kicking a side panel of a truck. Granted, I'd want to shoot him for it BUT that doesn't justify putting three bullets into him. Thats what the cops, insurance and civil courts are for.

Muktheduck said:

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TheTruthsLastHope said:

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BigRobSA said:

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That's obviously murder. Not sure how one would think otherwise.

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When people don't like the victims on the front end would be one reason why someone would think otherwise.

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Yeah like if the shooter was black this is obvious self defense

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That's factually not correct but if that's what you need to convince yourself of, please continue!

it really all depends on what definition you use. in Texas, its pretty clearly murder:

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intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual

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this is based on the short video clip, as the dead guy could have said earlier "I am going to rape and shoot you after I kick this truck"

Good shot. To project out that this kid just hauled off and shot him for kicking is truck is a massive reach and exactly what the left wants you to do. 48 hour rule is right.

This board universally condemned the Jacob Blake incident on initial release.

These clips are put together to elicit outrage. Experience, logic and reason require me to know that there is more than what is in this clip and the shooting was justified.

TheTruthsLastHope said:

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BigRobSA said:

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That's obviously murder. Not sure how one would think otherwise.

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When people don't like the victims on the front end would be one reason why someone would think otherwise.

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When someone is obsessed about something, they tend to think everyone else obsesses about it, too.

BCG Disciple said:

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Good shot. To project out that this kid just hauled off and shot him for kicking is truck is a massive reach and exactly what the left wants you to do. 48 hour rule is right.

This board universally condemned the Jacob Blake incident on initial release.

These clips are put together to elicit outrage. Experience, logic and reason require me to know that there is more than what is in this clip and the shooting was justified.

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It's a massive reach to think the video shows what it appears to show. But not a massive reach to not only assume there is more video that gives a different context, but also to assume that whatever is on that hypothetical video totally vindicates the shooter. Makes sense.

will25u said:

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Here's another. Good shoot or Nah?

When you try to cyclejack an off duty cop 💥 pic.twitter.com/63YW8XgWZI

— Vicious Videos (@ViciousVideos) April 4, 2023

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Another good shot.

Keep them coming.

Zergling Rush said:

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I carry everyday. Murder might not be the correct word, call it manslaughter instead. Either way that's not a good shoot IMO (from the 6 sec clip).

The shooter is not under a direct threat. I don't see a weapon (hammer, knife, gun, 2"X4", etc) in the dude kicking the truck hands, I don't hear a verbal threat. The shooter is able to walk away.

All the dude is doing is kicking a side panel of a truck. Granted, I'd want to shoot him for it BUT that doesn't justify putting three bullets into him. Thats what the cops, insurance and civil courts are for.

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Anyone saying they know if it's a good or bad shoot based on 6 second video is projecting.

Need much more context, honestly.

Based strictly on these seconds I'd have pulled it and prepared to shoot (not pointing at the suspect) but wouldn't have pulled the trigger unless he made a definitive move towards me.

But again - what led up to this matters

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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BCG Disciple said:

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Good shot. To project out that this kid just hauled off and shot him for kicking is truck is a massive reach and exactly what the left wants you to do. 48 hour rule is right.

This board universally condemned the Jacob Blake incident on initial release.

These clips are put together to elicit outrage. Experience, logic and reason require me to know that there is more than what is in this clip and the shooting was justified.

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It's a massive reach to think the video shows what it appears to show. But not a massive reach to not only assume there is more video that gives a different context, but also to assume that whatever is on that hypothetical video totally vindicates the shooter. Makes sense.

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Sounds like you've been living in a world where viral video clips are a clear accounting of self defense. The one I live in has been just the opposite. So yes, until I get more incidents of the defenders being fairly represented in viral videos, I am 100% on the defenders side.

What if there was a baby in the truck?

Or just answering the question in the OP.

We aren't in a jury box....this is F16, opinions and echo chambers is what we do.

Could be murder. Unfortunately, this needs to happen more often to make the attacks stop.

Not a good shoot, IMO, based on the limited evidence here.

That being said, my sympathy for people like the truck kicker has become extremely limited in my old age.

Being an (anal orifice) like the truck kicker should not be a death sentence. But given how many bad people do bad things and continually get away with bad things...I'm not sure I care anymore.

I don't plan to shoot someone for being a jerk, but if someone else does, doesn't move the needle for me.

Not enough information to make a call. Doesn't look good but context of what happened before and any statements he made are needed.

That said, even if a bad shoot, someone capable of losing it like the kicker guy is a dangerous person. So pour one out, but it's addition by subtraction for society. We probably have 2 dangerous nutjobs here, so one down and one to get locked away. Win for the rest of us.

Only way this is murder is if it was the black dude's pickup. Otherwise, justice was properly administered, pass on further review.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Not a good shoot, IMO, based on the limited evidence here.

That being said, my sympathy for people like the truck kicker has become extremely limited in my old age.

Being an (anal orifice) like the truck kicker should not be a death sentence. But given how many bad people do bad things and continually get away with bad things...I'm not sure I care anymore.

I don't plan to shoot someone for being a jerk, but if someone else does, doesn't move the needle for me.

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Well stated, Canyon.

It's murder in the first case, but the as$hole deserved to be shot.
It's not murder in the cycle jacking, victim was being attacked, and the two as$wipes got what they deserved.

Every time I see a cool video like these I immediately think of Filter's Hey Man Nice Shot. Now the song will be in my head all day!

https://www.dougmurphylaw.com/defense-of-property

Outside my wheelhouse but this guy makes it sound justified. Who says you can just drive away. No telling what will happen if you get in the vehicle. Secondly, why do you have to stand there and let someone damage your property?

NoahAg said:

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What if there was a baby in the truck?

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Good hypothetical. If a child was in the truck. Good shoot.

I'm getting to the point where I really don't care if someone gets shot if they commit a crime. No matter what the crime is.

Don't play the game if you don't want the consequences.

This is fake. People don't just fall dead and lifeless that fast from a handgun that far away.

It would take a headshot between the eyes.

So instead of insurance paying our for a bike 2 guys are dead. Not sure this is the best outcome.

— Rob (@RobL987) April 4, 2023

100% a good shot. Would be the same if dragged out of the truck in OP. Of course Rob from the comments thinks very differently.

Cromagnum said:

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So instead of insurance paying our for a bike 2 guys are dead. Not sure this is the best outcome.

— Rob (@RobL987) April 4, 2023

100% a good shot. Would be the same if dragged out of the truck in OP. Of course Rob from the comments thinks very differently.

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Why is the lib fallback always let thugs do what they want - you have insurance?

You know there is more to the story here. Something happened for this person to have decided to start filming. Impossible to judge the event from the short clip we get to see.

Cromagnum said:

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For those saying just drive away, let's play out the scenario. You either have to walk through the guy actively kicking your truck go get to the drivers seat, or you have to walk around the truck to try to get in. Both turn your back to the aggressor so he can sucker punch you.

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To be fair, the guy did already have his back turned to him as he was slowly walking way from him to prepare to draw the gun. So he could have just kept walking or at least been walking backwards. If he felt safe enough to have his back turned to him to walk away slowly, that is an indicator to an extent. If you're legit fearful of your life, you don't turn your back to someone and appear to be casually walking away.

Needs more context overall though. Looks bad from the short clip, but if there was a kid in the car or maybe the guy had been following the shooter on the road for a while from some road rage and was driving aggressively and followed him into the gas station, then it could easily change it.

Nattie said:

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This is fake. People don't just fall dead and lifeless that fast from a handgun that far away.

It would take a headshot between the eyes.

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Funny, as you can clearly see the perp pull his leg up falling "dead and lifeless" and also rolling around.

The victim should have walked over and put two in the chest and on between the eyes to ensure the police and public did not waste their time trying the now deceased criminal.

Cromagnum said:

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So instead of insurance paying our for a bike 2 guys are dead. Not sure this is the best outcome.

— Rob (@RobL987) April 4, 2023

100% a good shot. Would be the same if dragged out of the truck in OP. Of course Rob from the comments thinks very differently.

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Devil's advocate: What if the shooter stole the bike and the two were just trying to get their own property back? Shooter didn't seem to anxious to get the bike back after he fired.

Rob's a Brit animal rights nut. Who cares what he thinks

Tex100 said:

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https://www.dougmurphylaw.com/defense-of-property

Outside my wheelhouse but this guy makes it sound no justified. Who says you can just drive away. No telling what will happen if you get in the vehicle. Secondly, why do you have to stand there and let someone damage your property?

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Sometimes shoots are legal by the letter of the law, but you have to face a jury of your peers. Even many "pro self defense" "pro gun" people will convict you of murder if you defend your property.

I'm not saying they should or they shouldn't. Just be advised, if you shoot, there is a lawyer attached to every bullet. The physical battle may be over, but the legal one has just begun.

Outstanding shooting, there should be more of these