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Manhattan said:
That is a strawman argument of what the administration is doing… you can have an AC, just don't buy an inefficient one going forward.

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Cromagnum said:



"Just don't buy an inefficient AC"
"Just don't buy a gas stove"
"Just don't buy an ICE vehicle"
And so on...

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And remember you can only afford 1 of the three

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Yes daddy... govern me harder!

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Some of us have trucks on farms. Because farms need trucks.

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Even normal people need trucks from time to time. We just have a half-ton truck and, because we didn't confiure it to max tow, we had to be careful which travel trailer to buy. If you want to pull a large boat or a trailer with stuff on it, you don't just need a truck, you need a pretty capable truck.

EO's are out of control.

We have checks and balances for a reason, but the past few Presidents are simply writing regulation with the stroke of a pen.

Yes, it's temporary until someone rolls them back, but that type of action is how you paralyze innovation. It's hard to have thriving industry, when they don't know which way the wind will blow every 4 years.

And none of us worth anything.

Doesn't prove anything, doesn't change anything.

Man-mad climate change doesn't exist.

Just a bunch of BS for nothing.

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What good would that do? He won't be convicted in the Senate. Impeach Mayorkas, Bootygig, Granholm, etc and put Senate dems on the record for defending them and their policies.

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Impeach them all.....starting with FJB!! Doesn't matter if the Senate votes to remove or not, get it in the history books for generations to see!

My truck and AC identify as green energy.

"Efficiency" standards have led to appliances becoming more expensive and far more unreliable. It's pathetic how you can't find a washer, dryer, dishwasher, or fridge that lasts worth a damn now. Everything else is headed the same way

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My solemn promise.

Every time a libtard politician tells me to change my diet because of climate change, I will slow smoke a brisket for 8 hours over oak logs cut with a chainsaw.

Every time a libtard politician tells me to avoid air conditioning because of climate change, I will set my thermostat 1 degree lower.

And every time a libtard politician tells me to change my driving habits because of climate change, I will take an unnecessary trip in a pickup truck with a V8.

As long as I am still breathing air and exhaling carbon dioxide, I solemnly swear that I will do everything in my power to counteract the insanity of the climate cult, and keep feeding the plants of the world as much carbon as I possibly can.

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You're gonna be really cold and fat!

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You take AC away from the south, and asses will be kicked hard.

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The real answer is: OK, then let's just take the heaters away from the North and see how that goes! Sure, South Town Boston is just gonna LOOOOOVVEE that. How bout the Bronx, and South Side Chicago?

Union workers make those trucks... Did he think about that, or does he not want the union vote anymore?

These laws/EO's aren't to make AC's more efficient. It's to protect duponts patent so that no one else can make refrigerant. Every time the patent is about to expire, they come out with a "more efficient version," get it patented, then the government passes laws saying only that new version is allowed. Its more expensive and does a worse job. It's crony capitalism you are supporting, not green energy.

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Papaw better not FAFO…

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Except covid showed us that yes, in fact, most Americans will happily roll over and take it and then attack anyone else who doesn't.

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These laws/EO's aren't to make AC's more efficient. It's to protect duponts patent so that no one else can make refrigerant. Every time the patent is about to expire, they come out with a "more efficient version," get it patented, then the government passes laws saying only that new version is allowed. Its more expensive and does a worse job. It's crony capitalism you are supporting, not green energy.

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You do realize that more than just DuPont makes refrigerant, right?

While there is a kernel of fact in your statement, it's simply not reality in this case.

Signed,

Someone who recently quoted a Process Design Package for refrigerant for a company not named DuPont.

People are being convinced that carbon is a pollutant.

Let that sink in.

There are a few others, but Dupont (and Honeywell to a degree) are constantly getting sued for driving other players out of the market.

Would be interested in getting your take on the following LinkedIn article.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/honeywell-chemours-monopoly-1234yf-refrigerant-alec-johnson?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via

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There are a few others, but Dupont (and Honeywell to a degree) are constantly getting sued for driving other players out of the market.

Would be interested in getting your take on the following LinkedIn article.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/honeywell-chemours-monopoly-1234yf-refrigerant-alec-johnson?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via

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There's some truth in that article, or course. It's a bit old too.

What it did not even hint at, and has never been proven linked, is that these new efficiency standards are due to lobbying of Chemours and Honeywell. Is it possible? Oh, of course, but I'm not certain that is the case here. By patenting the process, it gives these two companies a 13? year window to be a monopoly, then the technology becomes public. Will there be a new standard by then, possibly, but the introduction of HFO refrigerants takes the climate change argument off the table. They'll need to come up with a better one to get a new standard now.

Having said that, my understanding is that many of these efficiency standards are aimed at electrical efficiency. Unfortunately, there is only so much available due to the laws of physics.

Yes, the thermodynamic properties of refrigerants can certainly affect efficiency, but my guess is that we are approaching the end of the asymptote with the curve.

We'll see what happens.

The compressor in my refrigerator went out. I could either do a fix that would last a year, or knowing that Biden would probably outlaw refrigerators next, get a new one.

Think about it.

This is the only way to get people to leave Texas and Florida for MI, IL, NY, NJ: ban air conditioning.

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Wait. I thought they banned gas stoves because I hey were harmful to health...not environmental issues.

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They ban everything because they hate freedom. It has nothing to do with health or the environment.

It has to do with them controlling you and you not being able to do anything about it.

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Well said. Your statement can probably describe about 95% of everything the government does.

How can someone this damn ignorant be placed in a position of leadership?

Where are our concerned moderates to tell us why this is good and why they voted for it?

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How can someone this damn ignorant be placed in a position of leadership?

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You're looking at it from the wrong perspective. This is all about gov't control. Ignorance or intelligence regarding the matter is irrelevant. Control is the only thing that matters.

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This is why I don't care that christians want to "ban abortions."

Liberals want to control your lives just as much for the sake of some climate religion.

Believing the world is going to end due to climate change is a grift and mirrors the same cultism that religion can sometimes portray.

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I think that the COVID lockdown of 2020-21 exposed just how authoritarian the left is. The only "freedoms" they care about are to kill unborn children and to mutilate one's genitals.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/climate-czar-john-kerry-says-biden-impose-more-mandates-go-farther-inflation-reduction-act

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The Biden administration plans to roll out executive orders and climate mandates affecting automobiles and trucks to reach a 50% reduction in emissions by the end of the decade, according to Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry

During an interview with Yahoo News last week, Kerry spoke on President Biden's plans, but also on lifestyle changes people may have to make to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050.

At the beginning of the interview though, Kerry was asked about Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, or IRA, noting that it is only projected to reach a 40% reduction in carbon emissions by the end of the decade, shy by about 10% of the president's goal.

"Well, we're doing a lot more than just the IRA. The IRA is a package that in and of itself can get the 40%," Kerry said. "But in addition to that, the president is issuing executive orders. There'll be changes on automobile, on light truck, heavy truck, heavy duty, a number of initiatives that are being taken by states, subnational, cities…

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In terms of electric vehicles, General Motors said by 2035 it only plans to make vehicles that operate on electricity.

Kerry was also asked about people who do not want to change their lifestyles for things like switching from gas to electricity for cooking.

"Unless somebody were able to provide that with zero carbon intensity, I mean, if you can do that. Now that's not doable today," he said. "So yes, gas at a certain point becomes a serious challenge here."

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Who's ready to become slaves to the elite because they've swallowed the climate bull*****

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-cracks-down-air-conditioners-war-appliances-continues

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The Biden administration announced its latest home appliance regulations this week, targeting air conditioners in an action it said would reduce the nation's carbon emissions.

The regulations, unveiled Thursday by the Department of Energy (DOE), finalize energy efficiency standards for home air conditioning units, or window air conditioners, and portable air cleaners. The DOE said the move would cut air pollution and push consumer costs down by billions of dollars via energy savings.

"Today's announcement builds on the historic actions President Biden took last year to strengthen outdated energy efficiency standards, which will help save on people's energy bills and reduce our nation's carbon footprint," Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said in a statement.

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Over the last several months, meanwhile, the DOE has introduced a series of energy efficiency regulations impacting various home appliances including gas stoves, ovens, clothes washers and refrigerators. Critics have blasted the rules as federal overreach and unnecessary given that the industry has improved technology without government intervention.

"What these mandates, what these standards do is enforce a level of efficiency that doesn't make sense," Ben Lieberman, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told Fox News Digital in an interview last week. "And they compromise product quality. We've already seen this to an extent with cost of clothes washer standards."

"That's another problem this is a regulatory program that's very long in the tooth and you're getting to the point where clothes washers this might be the fifth time they've been regulated," he continued. "So we're really chasing after diminishing or nonexistent marginal returns."

A former senior DOE official previously told Fox News Digital that the Biden administration's actions would inevitably result in higher costs for consumers.


"Their philosophy is energy efficiency at all costs or energy efficiency no matter the cost," the official said. "That means we are going to see, as a result of their efficiency standards, higher-priced appliances. It's that simple.

"The reality is that we are not talking about saving huge amounts of energy from these new regulations."

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All you brainwashed climate change zealots, are you going to turn your AC off this summer? I suggest you should so you can experience the type of hell that your voting for all the rest of us.

[We understand hyperbole to prove a point, but some of you need to stop killing off people to prove your points. Find some better ways to make your points. - Staff]

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I'm pretty sure most of this doesn't affect anyone who currently owns things like gas stoves etc. Even in California its not retroactive. Its only on new purchases. Maybe temper the crazy a bit.

Nothing lasts forever. This affects us all.

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I'm pretty sure most of this doesn't affect anyone who currently owns things like gas stoves etc. Even in California its not retroactive. Its only on new purchases. Maybe temper the crazy a bit.

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Yeah no big deal that fringe democrats want to do this on new purchases moving forward that cost consumers more that's based on nothing but hyperbole...nothing crazy about that at all...just the people on F16 that question ridiculous policy. Goal tending noted.

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Nothing lasts forever. This affects us all.

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And will be undone by the next administration. People seem to miss the genius of how our government was structured. In fact we could have done away with Obamacare during trumps tenure if they actually had a plan and the desire to replace Obamacare. Lots of talk and nothing happened. So you're right, nothing lasts forever, good or bad.

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Nothing lasts forever. This affects us all.

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And will be undone by the next administration.

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Just like the courts ruled that Trump could not undo Obama's executive orders via his own executive order?

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Nothing lasts forever. This affects us all.

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And will be undone by the next administration. People seem to miss the genius of how our government was structured. In fact we could have done away with Obamacare during trumps tenure if they actually had a plan and the desire to replace Obamacare. Lots of talk and nothing happened. So you're right, nothing lasts forever, good or bad.

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Except you're ignorant to the fact that govt policies tend to create something that becomes more difficult to fully undo over time. Like an open border, lack of enforcement of immigration policies, or bloated govt-run healthcare, or crazy environmental regulations. You think the next administration can just snap their fingers and put things back as they were...but that doesn't really happen.

Lots of talk about how those policies would 'help' Americans and nothing happened...but yet people like you care more about someone's 'crazy' comment on F16 or 'Those stupid Republicans didn't replace Obama's mistake and it's their fault!' than actually pointing out the hypocrisy of the Dems policies.

You should be more concerned about govt overreach as it's happening than trying to dunk on those who question the decisions.

jr15aggie said:

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Some of us don't drive trucks because it's cool (which it is)... some of us drive trucks because they are required for work.

Anybody in the [construction] industry, any tradesman, etc. What a dumb and sick piece of **** this president and his puppet masters are.

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It used to be the case that only people who needed to haul stuff for a living (farmers, ranchers, construction workers, repairmen, etc.) owned trucks. Most people drove a coupe or sedan. Or a station wagon if they needed the room.

Then the the 1970's oil shortages hit, and the federal government decided to regulate fuel efficiency. So they created CAFE standards. But carved out an exemption for "light trucks", because those are essential work vehicles. People wouldn't ever buy a truck just to commute to an office desk job, right?

Except that they did. Car manufacturers took full advantage of the "light truck" loophole. They invented a new class of vehicle called the SUV. And marketed the hell out of them. Pickup trucks, too, were promoted to suburbanite posers who wanted the "hard working man" image that comes with a truck, without the "working" part.

In 1982, Ford's top-selling model was the Escort. In 2022, it was the F-150. The country's average private vehicle got 1000 pounds heavier. So if the goal was to save fuel, CAFE backfired spectacularly.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/climate-czar-john-kerry-says-biden-impose-more-mandates-go-farther-inflation-reduction-act

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The Biden administration plans to roll out executive orders and climate mandates affecting automobiles and trucks to reach a 50% reduction in emissions by the end of the decade, according to Special Presidential Envoy for Climate John Kerry

During an interview with Yahoo News last week, Kerry spoke on President Biden's plans, but also on lifestyle changes people may have to make to reach net zero carbon emissions by 2050.

At the beginning of the interview though, Kerry was asked about Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, or IRA, noting that it is only projected to reach a 40% reduction in carbon emissions by the end of the decade, shy by about 10% of the president's goal.

"Well, we're doing a lot more than just the IRA. The IRA is a package that in and of itself can get the 40%," Kerry said. "But in addition to that, the president is issuing executive orders. There'll be changes on automobile, on light truck, heavy truck, heavy duty, a number of initiatives that are being taken by states, subnational, cities…

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In terms of electric vehicles, General Motors said by 2035 it only plans to make vehicles that operate on electricity.

Kerry was also asked about people who do not want to change their lifestyles for things like switching from gas to electricity for cooking.

"Unless somebody were able to provide that with zero carbon intensity, I mean, if you can do that. Now that's not doable today," he said. "So yes, gas at a certain point becomes a serious challenge here."

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Who's ready to become slaves to the elite because they've swallowed the climate bull*****

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-cracks-down-air-conditioners-war-appliances-continues

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The Biden administration announced its latest home appliance regulations this week, targeting air conditioners in an action it said would reduce the nation's carbon emissions.

The regulations, unveiled Thursday by the Department of Energy (DOE), finalize energy efficiency standards for home air conditioning units, or window air conditioners, and portable air cleaners. The DOE said the move would cut air pollution and push consumer costs down by billions of dollars via energy savings.

"Today's announcement builds on the historic actions President Biden took last year to strengthen outdated energy efficiency standards, which will help save on people's energy bills and reduce our nation's carbon footprint," Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm said in a statement.

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Over the last several months, meanwhile, the DOE has introduced a series of energy efficiency regulations impacting various home appliances including gas stoves, ovens, clothes washers and refrigerators. Critics have blasted the rules as federal overreach and unnecessary given that the industry has improved technology without government intervention.

"What these mandates, what these standards do is enforce a level of efficiency that doesn't make sense," Ben Lieberman, a senior fellow at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, told Fox News Digital in an interview last week. "And they compromise product quality. We've already seen this to an extent with cost of clothes washer standards."

"That's another problem this is a regulatory program that's very long in the tooth and you're getting to the point where clothes washers this might be the fifth time they've been regulated," he continued. "So we're really chasing after diminishing or nonexistent marginal returns."

A former senior DOE official previously told Fox News Digital that the Biden administration's actions would inevitably result in higher costs for consumers.


"Their philosophy is energy efficiency at all costs or energy efficiency no matter the cost," the official said. "That means we are going to see, as a result of their efficiency standards, higher-priced appliances. It's that simple.

"The reality is that we are not talking about saving huge amounts of energy from these new regulations."

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All you brainwashed climate change zealots, are you going to turn your AC off this summer? I suggest you should so you can experience the type of hell that your voting for all the rest of us.

[We understand hyperbole to prove a point, but some of you need to stop killing off people to prove your points. Find some better ways to make your points. - Staff]

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I'm pretty sure most of this doesn't affect anyone who currently owns things like gas stoves etc. Even in California its not retroactive. Its only on new purchases. Maybe temper the crazy a bit.

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Talk about burying your head in the sand!!! "Everything is just fine because this stuff won't affect all of us right now". How soon will it be before service techs are not able to work on your older system because they are regulated into not servicing them or parts are no longer able to be supplied to service them due to regulations?! Everyone will be forced into this new world, baby-step by baby-step all because of "it won't affect most of us right now" attitudes. Good luck America! Sigh....

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Talk about burying your head in the sand!!! "Everything is just fine because this stuff won't affect all of us right now".

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It's how people like that justify Democrat leadership and mock people on the right who question it. It's not the Democrat ideas that are crazy...it's the people right of center who question it. How convenient.