https://www.wsj.com/articles/stanford-law-dean-jenny-martinez-letter-tirien-steinbach-kyle-duncan-free-speech-51c36461?st=qzlgu4u8deckk1n&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Seems to be some good news here. Hopefully, this was a wake up call.

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Stanford Law School disgraced itself two weeks ago when its diversity administrator let students heckle and shout down federal Judge Kyle Duncan. The school is now trying to salvage its reputation, and it's making some progress.

In a letter to the university community on Wednesday, Stanford Law Dean Jenny Martinez issued a defense of free speech on campus and laid out the school's expectations for civil discourse and legal professionalism.

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Ms. Martinez offered students a Constitution 101 tutorial. While protests are protected by the First Amendment, she writes, "the First Amendment does not give protestors a 'heckler's veto.'" She cites state and federal jurisprudence on First Amendment law and counsels students that "learning to channel the passion of one's principles into reasoned, persuasive argument is an essential part of learning to be an effective advocate."

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The DEI lady is on leave and you can read her response in an WSJ Opinion in quote below where she lies and tries to make her intervention out to be de-escalation techniques. Lol.

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Part of Stanford's disgrace is that an associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion, Tirien Steinbach, joined the protesters in denouncing Judge Duncan and questioning whether he should be allowed to speak. Ms. Steinbach, whom Ms. Martinez says is "on leave" from the school, explains herself nearby.

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YouBet

Hope the Stanford leadership learns something and they start teaching Constitutional law. We shall see.

I know it's to much to expect from an institution as woke as Stanford, but they need a reckoning. I've been reading articles about this school (there have been plenty surface after this event), and they have a serious problem on campus with their admin going after students, allowing the inmates run the asylum, and mental health of students (probably adults as well). When students are killing themselves because their review panels are making life hell for them (a star female soccer player and a kid who was a president of is fraternity) then they need to suffer hits to their reputation as a premier university.

Stanford is a great university. But like all great things, the leftists want to tear it down. We have to put a stop to this before they destroy everything.

The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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And the Hoover Institute.

Romello said:

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Stanford is a great leftist university. But like all great things, the leftists want to tear it down to nothing. We have to put a stop to this before they destroy everything.

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FIFY

Romello said:

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Stanford is a great university. But like all great things, the leftists want to tear it down. We have to put a stop to this before they destroy everything.

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It WAS a great university. It no longer is. Same with most Ivy League schools. They've dumbed them down dramatically.

If Stanford really wants to make a statement, they need to fire Steinbach instead of giving her a paid vacation.

They're trying to rein it in at MIT...

Look at how many "DEI" deans they have at MIT. In-sane.

"A debate on DEI will be held at MIT. The university's DEI deans refuse to participate."

https://www.thecollegefix.com/a-debate-on-dei-will-be-held-at-mit-the-universitys-dei-deans-refuse-to-participate/

SA68AG said:

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If Stanford really wants to make a statement, they need to fire Steinbach instead of giving her a paid vacation.

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The WSJ has been doing a great job of covering this story. While I do applaud the Stanford Dean for siding with free speech, at the end of the day "retraining" isn't going to do anything. The only thing that would really help get rid of this rot on campuses would be to have the schools adopt and then strictly enforce standards whereby those disrupting free speech on campuses suffer consequences as severe as expulsion or termination of employment. Until that happens, Stanford will get a "pass" for having acknowledged the problem but nothing else will change and the next speaker to ruffle the Leftists' feathers will be shouted down if not intimidated into canceling their speech outright.

Kool said:

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SA68AG said:

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If Stanford really wants to make a statement, they need to fire Steinbach instead of giving her a paid vacation.

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The WSJ has been doing a great job of covering this story. While I do applaud the Stanford Dean for siding with free speech, at the end of the day "retraining" isn't going to do anything. The only thing that would really help get rid of this rot on campuses would be to have the schools adopt and then strictly enforce standards whereby those disrupting free speech on campuses suffer consequences as severe as expulsion or termination of employment. Until that happens, Stanford will get a "pass" for having acknowledged the problem but nothing else will change and the next speaker to ruffle the Leftists' feathers will be shouted down if not intimidated into canceling their speech outright.

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1. Purge the DEI department. Fire everyone.
2. Extend this training to the students as their chance for redemption.
3. Any student that pulls this again gets expelled.
4. Keep expelling students until they stop being Marxist agitators.

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They're trying to rein it in at MIT...

Look at how many "DEI" deans they have at MIT. In-sane.

"A debate on DEI will be held at MIT. The university's DEI deans refuse to participate."

https://www.thecollegefix.com/a-debate-on-dei-will-be-held-at-mit-the-universitys-dei-deans-refuse-to-participate/

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Fire them. Problem solved

Trajan88 said:

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They're trying to rein it in at MIT...

Look at how many "DEI" deans they have at MIT. In-sane.

"A debate on DEI will be held at MIT. The university's DEI deans refuse to participate."

https://www.thecollegefix.com/a-debate-on-dei-will-be-held-at-mit-the-universitys-dei-deans-refuse-to-participate/

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Fire them all for insubordination

This is why you don't give up "because all is lost!". Of course this situation is far form done but some of you need to stop being ******* and actually do something if you are that upset.

I respect Stanford.
Losing respect quickly though.
A lot of top talent comes out of Stanford. They also have a great track record of producing entrepreneurs and innovators.

FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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Also, Victor Davis Hanson

SA68AG said:

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If Stanford really wants to make a statement, they need to fire Steinbach instead of giving her a paid vacation.

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Does anyone think if the shoe was on the other foot (a conservative administrator encouraging disrespect for a left-leading judge) that the administrator wouldn't be fired on the spot with a categorical condemnation of their behavior? This is just Stanford buying time for the furor to die down before reinstating her.

Megyn Kelly had the student head of the Federalist Society that organized the lecture on her show the other day.

He reported that Stanford wanted him and fellow Federalist Society members to visit the DEI department for mental health evaluation or counseling!!!

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Stanford is a great university.

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Bull***** I wish people would quit saying this just because they've heard it said other places. It is highly overrated and, like Harvard, grade inflation runs rampant. It is a leftist indoctrination factory. You won't find a department that hasn't been taken over.

The changing of their mascot name way back in the early '70s should tell you all you need to know about that "school."

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FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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And the Hoover Institute.

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Vacuum school

BigRobSA said:

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SA68AG said:

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FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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And the Hoover Institute.

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Vacuum school

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can I get a dust filter for a Hoover Max Extract Pressure-Pro, model sixty from them?

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YouBet

Hope the Stanford leadership learns something and they start teaching Constitutional law. We shall see.

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Yeah, I will believe that if I hear/read about it for about a decade. When someone/an institution tells you they are a hateful bigot, it's best to take them at their word, imho.

BigRobSA said:

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SA68AG said:

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FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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And the Hoover Institute.

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Vacuum school

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Wrong ! Thomas Sowell, Condy Rice and Victor David Hanson

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They're trying to rein it in at MIT...

Look at how many "DEI" deans they have at MIT. In-sane.

"A debate on DEI will be held at MIT. The university's DEI deans refuse to participate."

https://www.thecollegefix.com/a-debate-on-dei-will-be-held-at-mit-the-universitys-dei-deans-refuse-to-participate/

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This could be a disaster for MIT. I mean people go to MIT and hire MIT grads because they are known for their outstanding DEI programs and not any of that Engineering stuff. Clearly if they get more woke it will lead to the promised land.

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Among the nearly 100 MIT scholars asked to participate were: Alana Anderson, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the MIT Schwarzman College of Computing; Nandi Bynoe, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Engineering; Kuheli Dutt, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Science; Tracie Jones, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Humanities, Arts and Social Sciences; Monica Orta, assistant dean for diversity, equity, belonging and student support in the School of Architecture and Planning; Bryan Thomas Jr., assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the MIT Sloan School of Management; Ray Reagans, associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion at the MIT Sloan School of Management; and Beatriz Cantada, director of engagement for diversity and inclusion for MIT's Institute Community & Equity Office.
But these MIT DEI deans will not be defending DEI at the upcoming debate, and none of them responded to a request from The College Fix seeking comment on why, either.
The April 4 debate, co-hosted by the MIT Adam Smith Society and MIT Free Speech Alliance and to be held in the Wong Auditorium, will instead feature an esteemed panel that includes pro-DEI debaters to be brought in from outside the campus community.
Arguing against the resolution "should academic DEI programs be abolished" will be Pamela Denise Long, CEO of Youthcentrix Therapy Services and a contributor to Newsweek, and Karith Foster, founder of INVERSITY Solutions and a diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging specialist.
Supporting the resolution will be Heather Mac Donald, a scholar at the Manhattan Institute and author of the forthcoming "When Race Trumps Merit," and Pat Kambhampati, a professor of chemistry at McGill University who has written extensively on DEI issues.
The debate will be moderated by Nadine Strossen, past president of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Although the DEI deans did not respond to a request for comment, their reasoning for refusing to debate the topic on their own campus may have been spelled out by John Dozier, MIT's chief diversity officer.
"We also learned of a debate that will be happening on campus in a few weeks over what I think is an utterly false binary of 'diversity, equity, and inclusion' versus 'merit, fairness, and equality.' A number of people, including me, were invited to participate in this event last year. We declined based on the framing, but it fueled our thinking about how to set the right conditions for a discussion avoiding simplified versions of issues and concentrating on a format that will broaden attendees' perspectives rather than on having one side 'win,'"

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Yeah, they want no part of any debate about DEI. It's logically indefensible. The woke fraudsters' days are coming to an end, thankfully.

$250K

BigRobSA said:

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SA68AG said:

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FbgTxAg said:

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The only thing of value at Stanford is Thomas Sowell.

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And the Hoover Institute.

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Vacuum school

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Wait, is that where Kamala learned to...

Nevermind, she went to Howard.

This makes me even sadder and angrier that this is in a law school...especially one like Standford.

Its like doctors being scared at the sight of blood. Lawyers should be trained to not only hear these types of arguments and divorce themselves from their own politics to then argue the counter position in a logical way.

This means these students are not being trained to be lawyers.

YouBet said:

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Kool said:

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SA68AG said:

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If Stanford really wants to make a statement, they need to fire Steinbach instead of giving her a paid vacation.

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The WSJ has been doing a great job of covering this story. While I do applaud the Stanford Dean for siding with free speech, at the end of the day "retraining" isn't going to do anything. The only thing that would really help get rid of this rot on campuses would be to have the schools adopt and then strictly enforce standards whereby those disrupting free speech on campuses suffer consequences as severe as expulsion or termination of employment. Until that happens, Stanford will get a "pass" for having acknowledged the problem but nothing else will change and the next speaker to ruffle the Leftists' feathers will be shouted down if not intimidated into canceling their speech outright.

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1. Purge the DEI department. Fire everyone.
2. Extend this training to the students as their chance for redemption.
3. Any student that pulls this again gets expelled.
4. Keep expelling students until they stop being Marxist agitators.

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If they implement anything similar along these lines the first student expelled under the new guidelines will be a white conservative.

aggie93 said:

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Trajan88 said:

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They're trying to rein it in at MIT...

Look at how many "DEI" deans they have at MIT. In-sane.

"A debate on DEI will be held at MIT. The university's DEI deans refuse to participate."

https://www.thecollegefix.com/a-debate-on-dei-will-be-held-at-mit-the-universitys-dei-deans-refuse-to-participate/

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This could be a disaster for MIT. I mean people go to MIT and hire MIT grads because they are known for their outstanding DEI programs and not any of that Engineering stuff. Clearly if they get more woke it will lead to the promised land.

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It is really interesting when I interact with MIT engineers. I basically put them in three buckets.

-Those that were so smart that they would have succeeded anywhere and over any obstacle.
-Those that were smart and benefited from incredible research opportunities and teaching quality. This bucket basically has a grad students grasp of engineering with just an undergrad degree.
-Run of the mill smart engineer.

The first and third bucket exist in every university. The number of kids in the first and second bucket is what really places MIT at top tier. Being able to get a student in and out of a program in 4 years but their knowledge level reflects that of 6 years of schooling.

It really is football recruiting but for engineering nerds. Who has the best natural talent, who has the best coaches, who has the best facilities and who has all three.

MIT will do just fine with their core product. The fringe admin might get trimmed in favor of another robotics lab though.

FIRE.

HER.

ASS.

yikes

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Among the nearly 100 MIT scholars asked to participate were: Alana Anderson, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the MIT Schwarzman College of Computing; Nandi Bynoe, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Engineering; Kuheli Dutt, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Science; Tracie Jones, assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the School of Humanities, Arts and Social Sciences; Monica Orta, assistant dean for diversity, equity, belonging and student support in the School of Architecture and Planning; Bryan Thomas Jr., assistant dean for diversity, equity and inclusion in the MIT Sloan School of Management; Ray Reagans, associate dean for diversity, equity and inclusion at the MIT Sloan School of Management; and Beatriz Cantada, director of engagement for diversity and inclusion for MIT's Institute Community & Equity Office.
But these MIT DEI deans will not be defending DEI at the upcoming debate, and none of them responded to a request from The College Fix seeking comment on why, either.
The April 4 debate, co-hosted by the MIT Adam Smith Society and MIT Free Speech Alliance and to be held in the Wong Auditorium, will instead feature an esteemed panel that includes pro-DEI debaters to be brought in from outside the campus community.
Arguing against the resolution "should academic DEI programs be abolished" will be Pamela Denise Long, CEO of Youthcentrix Therapy Services and a contributor to Newsweek, and Karith Foster, founder of INVERSITY Solutions and a diversity, equity, inclusion and belonging specialist.
Supporting the resolution will be Heather Mac Donald, a scholar at the Manhattan Institute and author of the forthcoming "When Race Trumps Merit," and Pat Kambhampati, a professor of chemistry at McGill University who has written extensively on DEI issues.
The debate will be moderated by Nadine Strossen, past president of the American Civil Liberties Union.

Although the DEI deans did not respond to a request for comment, their reasoning for refusing to debate the topic on their own campus may have been spelled out by John Dozier, MIT's chief diversity officer.
"We also learned of a debate that will be happening on campus in a few weeks over what I think is an utterly false binary of 'diversity, equity, and inclusion' versus 'merit, fairness, and equality.' A number of people, including me, were invited to participate in this event last year. We declined based on the framing, but it fueled our thinking about how to set the right conditions for a discussion avoiding simplified versions of issues and concentrating on a format that will broaden attendees' perspectives rather than on having one side 'win,'"

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Yeah, they want no part of any debate about DEI. It's logically indefensible. The woke fraudsters' days are coming to an end, thankfully.

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That is such crap. It is a binary decision. There is nothing compatible, complementary, or analogous between DEI and merit, fairness, and equality.

DEI is forced social engineering to manufacture a political outcome that will stifle excellence, innovation, and fairness. We know this through the history of human behavior and political ideologies and simple logic and common sense.

Not DEI is the opposite of all of that and is what we've been doing until the last few years which has produced the most successful and fair society the world has ever seen.