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texagbeliever said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Hmm.. I've never seen that

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Certain posters like to pretend to be super conservative and bash Trump every opportunity they can find. Their TDS is quite strong. You responded to one of them. Lmcrane is another.

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Wait a minute………..now you can't be conservative if you think Trump is a knucklehead?

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That is not what I said. Please read again.

Exactly how should one interpret this?

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Certain posters like to pretend to be super conservative and bash Trump every opportunity they can find.

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The Desantis chest beaters like to talk down to Trump fans bc they're emotional…. It's an insecurity reflex

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Sounds like projection, doc.

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You have to look at this through the lens of how you get new voters not if Trump was screwed or treated badly or how much he still fires up people that were already going to vote for him.

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I think the path to more voters in 2024 is this:
1. Biden's economy is bad.
2. Republicans must sell to christian women the fear of their childrens' future and innocence as well as the crime problem. (These are the never Trump because he is mean sub group not all christian women of course). Basically they have to win the imagination battle of creating a more negative scenario for the other candidate.
Admittedly this isn't a problem DeSantis would have, his problem would be in winning or demotivating working class moderates.
3. Count on fatigue of anti-trump. I think people are tired of that line. It is not going to stir people up like it did in 2020.

Really the question between DeSantis and Trump is which seems more feasible: Trump making inroads with Christian educated women or DeSantis capturing and maintaining the working class vote. I dont know which is easier.

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If that's the debate then DeSantis is the obvious choice.

1. DeSantis can run on the Florida economy which is the best in the country.

2. As you admit, this is not an issue for DeSantis. He's basically the husband those women dream of having and looks and acts the part.

3. People are just tired of Trump and 80 year old politicians. That's obviously not an issue for DeSantis.

Trump may be able to get some of the Christian women back but damn he is hated by a lot of them and many will never come back to the fold. He's burned bridges and poured gasoline on them and set fire to them. Any Moderate woman is definitely gone.

DeSantis absolutely can get the working class vote, especially in the Midwest. He was raised pure middle class and is Catholic. It's not like he will have trouble connecting with those voters. He gets a Trump endorsement and he has them locked up, the only question is turnout. No way to prove or disprove turnout for DeSantis on a national scale but he crushed it in Florida.

Only problem i have is that I dont believe Florida's success is translatable or relatable to the Midwest. The industries are vastly different. The culture too. Sure as a Texan it is easy to see the similarities. Good natural resources and booming urban industries.

Im not saying he wouldn't be successful if in charge but that there would be alot of work to make that point. It is not the given I think many posters believe it is.

I had to stop following Richard Baris (the People's Pundit) as most of his stuff has become anti Desantis and how great Trump is lately. I probably should have stopped following after he bombed the last couple of election cycles.

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Which Trump voters dislike Desantis?

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There are quite a few always and forever Trumpers here who think Desantis is "establishment" and bought the lie that he was endorsed by Soros lol. You probably need to spend more time here if you really haven't seen this stuff.

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Only problem i have is that I dont believe Florida's success is translatable or relatable to the Midwest. The industries are vastly different. The culture too. Sure as a Texan it is easy to see the similarities. Good natural resources and booming urban industries.

Im not saying he wouldn't be successful if in charge but that there would be alot of work to make that point. It is not the given I think many posters believe it is.

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Still confused how you think Trump's presidency would be any better the second time around. You blame 100% of his ineffectiveness on others during his first term. Those people are still there. They like him even less now. Why would you want a President that has 0 allies or partners?

Conditions are different.

Social media is neutral with Musk. Note how he is slowly more and more republican. I think he is building up for 2024 presidential race (not to run but be influential).
Im hoping that post Trump it is clear DeSantis is on deck for 28 and 32. That is a dynasty that will encourage the rats to play along with the right side because their power depends on acting conservative.
I think the psychology of the the country is different in a "redemption" reelection vs a continuation election. It is a stronger referendum and leash to accomplish what he wants.
Trump was successful. He reduced corporate tax rate. Didn't get us in any wars. Decimated ISIS. Pulled us out of paris accords. Had a booming economy before the plandemic. He also shined a light on all the problems. Intelligence agencies, media, social media, Healthcare, bureaucratic departments etc. Hopefully setting up his ability to cut them now that the public has a lower approval of them.

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Only problem i have is that I dont believe Florida's success is translatable or relatable to the Midwest. The industries are vastly different. The culture too. Sure as a Texan it is easy to see the similarities. Good natural resources and booming urban industries.

Im not saying he wouldn't be successful if in charge but that there would be alot of work to make that point. It is not the given I think many posters believe it is.

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DeSantis has a lot more in common with those folks than Trump as a true middle class Catholic who has had 1 wife and young kids. If Trump endorsed him it shouldn't be an issue.

There's virtually nothing Trump can do to get Suburban Moms and conservative leaning folks that can't get past Trump's personal issues.

Still a lot of time and no guarantees but Trump starts with at least 45 percent that absolutely despise him . Blame the media and that's fine but Trump has created most of his own problems.

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Conditions are different.

Social media is neutral with Musk. Note how he is slowly more and more republican. I think he is building up for 2024 presidential race (not to run but be influential).
Im hoping that post Trump it is clear DeSantis is on deck for 28 and 32. That is a dynasty that will encourage the rats to play along with the right side because their power depends on acting conservative.
I think the psychology of the the country is different in a "redemption" reelection vs a continuation election. It is a stronger referendum and leash to accomplish what he wants.
Trump was successful. He reduced corporate tax rate. Didn't get us in any wars. Decimated ISIS. Pulled us out of paris accords. Had a booming economy before the plandemic. He also shined a light on all the problems. Intelligence agencies, media, social media, Healthcare, bureaucratic departments etc. Hopefully setting up his ability to cut them now that the public has a lower approval of them.

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Trump did some great things and I wish he was still President but he isn't. You can't turn back the clock. It's also folly to plan more than past one election. World keeps moving. By '32 who knows, could be JD Vance or Chip Roy.

Musk has said he supports DeSantis and voted for Biden. He doesn't think much of Trump and Trump has personally attacked him because he can't help himself.

Trump may win but he will do it talking about the future not the past and he needs to stop expecting other people to take bullets for him.

I like Desantis. I think he would be a good president. I'm not voting for him but, if he gets the job, I will gladly pray for him.

Bump... Not enough threads like this on page 1.

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My Name Is Judge said:

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C@LAg said:

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My Name Is Judge said:

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Hopefully the the Desantis fans realize this as well when it's time to vote Trump in the general

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I hope the petulant entitled-on-his-behalf Trump voters will vote DeSsantis in the general.

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Has there been a Trump voter on this board say they wouldn't vote Desantis in the general?

I can think of about a dozen Desantis chest beaters that have said they're never trumpers….


Who exactly is "petulant entitled" again?

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Most of them are Biden voting "CMs" that are currently pretending they will vote for Desantis. The Georgia lawyer and All Spin Ag come to mind.

I'm all in for Desantis in '24, but if it's Trump as the nominee I'm all in as well. I'm just skeptical about his chances to win a general.

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Agreed but some may misunderstand. For example I think Trump is a self serving loud mouth.
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That sounds like TDS right? That said, If Trump is the nom and pulls off an upset in the General Elec I would be giddy that Wednesday morning. Yes Trump sucks but he is vastly better than any demoRAT

Hopes this helps some Trumpers that may be confused ?

I don't disagree with anything he said there, obviously. My problem is he is a traditional politician and is beholden to someone. He's great on issues presented in the clip but would he renegotiate NAFTA, press Europe to pay more for NATO, attempt to fundamentally change global trade to favor America in manufacturing, meet with North Korea etc…. or would he be listening to the normal advice and change nothing that matters? He did surprise me with what he said about Ukraine. If he came out and started bagging on Trudeau i would certainly give him props.

I'll take 8 years of SCOTUS nominations over a (remotely) possible 4 years.

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Nothing of what he is saying is wrong, but he is owned by the deep state, and just like in the Netherlands where the farmers thought they were getting freedom farmer candidates elected last week, they are all globalists who will do anything, including controlled opposition, to obtain complete control. They can let him attack everything they are because if elected, he will still be owned by them. .

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Manchurian candidate! Sqwak!! Manchurian candidate! Sqwak!!

Where do people come up with these crazy theories?

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Nothing of what he is saying is wrong, but he is owned by the deep state, and just like in the Netherlands where the farmers thought they were getting freedom farmer candidates elected last week, they are all globalists who will do anything, including controlled opposition, to obtain complete control. They can let him attack everything they are because if elected, he will still be owned by them. .

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Manchurian candidate! Sqwak!! Manchurian candidate! Sqwak!!

Where do people come up with these crazy theories?

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You keep watching CNN and Fox and getting your news from daddy...weird how these crazy theories keep coming true...COVID came from a lab...vaccines will protect you...Biden has really helped the economy and we have record unemployment nunbers...no problems with the banks...inflation is only temporary/transitional...DeSantis will save you because he's not bad orange man...ok, buddy! Sorry, but Trump is the only proven commodity...

More lunatical ranting

I don't get my news from CNN, I do read the Fox website though. What news should I watch to learn the truth about DeSantis?

DeSantis isn't going to save me and I don't think Trump is bad. I'll happily vote for him. There's a much evidence he's a Russian plant as there is DeSantis is controlled the the deep State

DeSantis' doing a heck of a job setting up this Trojan horse/Manchurian candidate scam. People of Florida must be so angry dEep sTatE DeSantis has pulled the wool over their eyes.

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More lunatical ranting

I don't get my news from CNN, I do read the Fox website though. What news should I watch to learn the truth about DeSantis?

DeSantis isn't going to save me and I don't think Trump is bad. I'll happily vote for him. There's a much evidence he's a Russian plant as there is DeSantis is controlled the the deep State

DeSantis' doing a heck of a job setting up this Trojan horse/Manchurian candidate scam. People of Florida must be so angry dEep sTatE DeSantis has pulled the wool over their eyes.

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Nice try CIA...I'm not letting you shut down my sources..

JR Ewing said:

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Nice try CIA...I'm not letting you shut down my sources..

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