They need to open a humanitarian corridor through Matamoros specifically for US medical tourists.

torrid said:

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They need to open a humanitarian corridor through Matamoros specifically for US medical tourists.

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If you cannot afford to have an elective surgery properly done in the US, then I strongly consider the safer approach is to paint a racial slur on your car and start a gofundme.

Abandoned now, have several fun memories of the place. Check out the Spring Break cups about 9:00 in

Matamoros was fine in the 80s, but the market district was a ways from the border, so ripe for bad things to happen in the travel between (Mark Kilroy showed that. Horrible deal. May he rest in peace.). Discovered Superior beer there. It was my favorite Mexican beer. Sadly taken over by Tecate and they killed it. The Mark Kilroy incident followed by the Cartel violence blew it up.

On to N. Loredo in the early 90s. La Posada and trips across the border to the Cadillac Bar and the market was fun. Cartel blew that up too.

On to Acuna and Shaver and REK at the Carona Club and dinner at Ma Crosby's. Cartel blew that up too. Was a helluva show, though.

On to Progresso and Arturo's. Last time was 2010ish. 50 cal single sand embankments and a twin 50 on a jeep with 18 year old Federales at the entry to town and signs in all the shops to not be alarmed about the military presence was the last straw. Haven't been back since and have no plans to. Progresso was the best situated to cross as the market district started right at the border. They even got hit once by the Cartels.

Miss trips down there, but no way I would go back now.

To show you how much it has changed, Dad use to drive across the Rio Grande at Bouquillas in the 50s and said the Federale at the entry to town had a M1 and would welcome all the Gringos to $.05 beer. No papers. Said the river was shallow enough to drive across in a 52 Buick.

It sure has devolved. Doubt we'll ever see it back to its glory. Oh well...

Superior beer is also my favorite Mexican beer. It was #1 in Mexico from the mid 60's through the late 70"s but resisted modernization and I understood that the owning family was not well connected. When I was a kid in Mex they were the 800 pound beer gorilla.

As of about 4 to 5 years ago it was still available, brewed by the new owning group, in most of the southeastern Mexican states. I love that beer.

We went to spring break down there a year after he was murdered and there was twice we did stupid things that thankfully ended up OK. One was being in a bar that was so overcrowded and decorated with so much hula skirt type things if a fire started, we would've been a Tinder box. And even walking in there. The crowd was very rough. We didn't stay long but it was creepy and very closed off.

And then another night we were walking back to our hotel right across the border. We had a big group of about seven guys and seven girls, and I somehow got a little behind my group, not far, maybe 10 feet and the next thing I know there was about six Mexican, young men, and a pushing me back-and-forth between them. Thankfully, I swung my purse around and yelled at them, and my friends came running back and it was fine, but I think about that quite often. Just being a stupid 21-year-old. Had they just grabbed me instead I'm not sure my friends could've helped me.

I constantly remind my 13yo son to just come talk to me before he tries something stupid. I have probably already done it or know someone who has and can give him a better perspective on his odds of it going good or bad.

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Pluralizes Everythings said:

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Maybe don't go to Mexico in years where border crossings and cartel activity are reported to be a real concern.

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Or just don't go, period.

College buddy of mine:


Mark Kilroy

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I was there that night.

$0.25 Coronas
$0.50 Tequila

Woke up in my motel on the floor in South Padre with a poncho and a Sombrero and no money. I had no memory of how I got back there. My buddy was missing until about 3 pm that next day.

Crazy times.

RGV AG said:

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Superior beer is also my favorite Mexican beer. It was #1 in Mexico from the mid 60's through the late 70"s but resisted modernization and I understood that the owning family was not well connected. When I was a kid in Mex they were the 800 pound beer gorilla.

As of about 4 to 5 years ago it was still available, brewed by the new owning group, in most of the southeastern Mexican states. I love that beer.

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The bar at our little beachfront hotel in PDC had Superior. I usually drank it by the truckload during my 4-5 night stays.

Typical afternoon included this on repeat: "Superior y Don Julio por favor".

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Tummy tuck was the cover story for the group. This is most def a side drug deal that cartel got wind of and someone forgot to get the proper permits for transport.

Then someone popped off at the lip when they declined the additional fees. Cartel ain't taking lip from a Haitian wannabe.

Tummy tuck my arse.

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"They were there buying cheap meds" "they were there for a tummy tuck"

Ffs which is it? The media can't even get the BS cover story straight....that's how you know it's a complete lie.

Mexico is a sheet-hole and it has been for many years. Why in the hell do you think people leave every day?
Anybody that's lived near the border anytime over the last 40 years knows that this kind of thing happens frequently.

Remember Mark Kilroy?

Yes but one has to wonder why THIS occurrence has been singled out…

Why does the media continue to refer to this as a "kidnapping"?

Burdizzo said:

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Appreciate this insite. It is a damn shame neither government can enforce the law.

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It's a damn shame neither government has the balls to enforce the law and put an end to the Cartels. Where is Alejandro when you need him?

Four people came for a tummy tuck??? Yeah ok. Got what they deserved. This isn't America. Black people cant say anything they want without repercussions

People in the Valley border area real racist toward blacks

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Matamoros was fine in the 80s, but the market district was a ways from the border, so ripe for bad things to happen in the travel between (Mark Kilroy showed that. Horrible deal. May he rest in peace.). Discovered Superior beer there. It was my favorite Mexican beer. Sadly taken over by Tecate and they killed it. The Mark Kilroy incident followed by the Cartel violence blew it up.

On to N. Loredo in the early 90s. La Posada and trips across the border to the Cadillac Bar and the market was fun. Cartel blew that up too.

On to Acuna and Shaver and REK at the Carona Club and dinner at Ma Crosby's. Cartel blew that up too. Was a helluva show, though.

On to Progresso and Arturo's. Last time was 2010ish. 50 cal single sand embankments and a twin 50 on a jeep with 18 year old Federales at the entry to town and signs in all the shops to not be alarmed about the military presence was the last straw. Haven't been back since and have no plans to. Progresso was the best situated to cross as the market district started right at the border. They even got hit once by the Cartels.

Miss trips down there, but no way I would go back now.

To show you how much it has changed, Dad use to drive across the Rio Grande at Bouquillas in the 50s and said the Federale at the entry to town had a M1 and would welcome all the Gringos to $.05 beer. No papers. Said the river was shallow enough to drive across in a 52 Buick.

It sure has devolved. Doubt we'll ever see it back to its glory. Oh well...

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Like Josh Brolin said in Sicario.

"Medellin refers to a time when one group controlled every aspect of the drug trade, providing a measure of order that we could control. And until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that ****, order's the best we can hope for. And what you saw up there, was Alejandro working toward returning that order."

Mexico was safer in the 80's and 90's because 95% of the dope was coming from Columbia.

usmcbrooks said:

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cavjock88 said:

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Matamoros was fine in the 80s, but the market district was a ways from the border, so ripe for bad things to happen in the travel between (Mark Kilroy showed that. Horrible deal. May he rest in peace.). Discovered Superior beer there. It was my favorite Mexican beer. Sadly taken over by Tecate and they killed it. The Mark Kilroy incident followed by the Cartel violence blew it up.

On to N. Loredo in the early 90s. La Posada and trips across the border to the Cadillac Bar and the market was fun. Cartel blew that up too.

On to Acuna and Shaver and REK at the Carona Club and dinner at Ma Crosby's. Cartel blew that up too. Was a helluva show, though.

On to Progresso and Arturo's. Last time was 2010ish. 50 cal single sand embankments and a twin 50 on a jeep with 18 year old Federales at the entry to town and signs in all the shops to not be alarmed about the military presence was the last straw. Haven't been back since and have no plans to. Progresso was the best situated to cross as the market district started right at the border. They even got hit once by the Cartels.

Miss trips down there, but no way I would go back now.

To show you how much it has changed, Dad use to drive across the Rio Grande at Bouquillas in the 50s and said the Federale at the entry to town had a M1 and would welcome all the Gringos to $.05 beer. No papers. Said the river was shallow enough to drive across in a 52 Buick.

It sure has devolved. Doubt we'll ever see it back to its glory. Oh well...

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Like Josh Brolin said in Sicario.

"Medellin refers to a time when one group controlled every aspect of the drug trade, providing a measure of order that we could control. And until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that ****, order's the best we can hope for. And what you saw up there, was Alejandro working toward returning that order."

Mexico was safer in the 80's and 90's because 95% of the dope was coming from Columbia.

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If you haven't seen the movie Blow with Johnny Depp, I highly recommend it...

cavjock88 said:

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Matamoros was fine in the 80s, but the market district was a ways from the border, so ripe for bad things to happen in the travel between (Mark Kilroy showed that. Horrible deal. May he rest in peace.). Discovered Superior beer there. It was my favorite Mexican beer. Sadly taken over by Tecate and they killed it. The Mark Kilroy incident followed by the Cartel violence blew it up.

On to N. Loredo in the early 90s. La Posada and trips across the border to the Cadillac Bar and the market was fun. Cartel blew that up too.

On to Acuna and Shaver and REK at the Carona Club and dinner at Ma Crosby's. Cartel blew that up too. Was a helluva show, though.

On to Progresso and Arturo's. Last time was 2010ish. 50 cal single sand embankments and a twin 50 on a jeep with 18 year old Federales at the entry to town and signs in all the shops to not be alarmed about the military presence was the last straw. Haven't been back since and have no plans to. Progresso was the best situated to cross as the market district started right at the border. They even got hit once by the Cartels.

Miss trips down there, but no way I would go back now.

To show you how much it has changed, Dad use to drive across the Rio Grande at Bouquillas in the 50s and said the Federale at the entry to town had a M1 and would welcome all the Gringos to $.05 beer. No papers. Said the river was shallow enough to drive across in a 52 Buick.

It sure has devolved. Doubt we'll ever see it back to its glory. Oh well...


I got married in Del Rio in 1994 - My rehearsal dinner was at Ma Crosby's.

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Four people came for a tummy tuck??? Yeah ok. Got what they deserved. This isn't America. Black people cant say anything they want without repercussions

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If these 4 had taken a Spirit airlines flight to Harlingen and took an Uber across, I would give some weight to tummy tuck story.

3 dudes and a chick in a white minivan driving from South Carolina? Something tells me the Haitian connection is legit and I stand by them missing a step or payment in the process, and then ran their mouths when the cartel came on strong.

So no, we should not escalate on drug deals gone bad when actual innocent people are kidnapped, raped and murdered.

Mexico used to be great. We played in a golf tournament at Fort Clark in Brackettville for many, many years (Like 15 years). It always took place during spring break. Play golf all day, go to Acuna and eat a Ma Crosby, go to Corona Club, Up and Down Club, whoever wanted could take the cab ride to other entertainment. Come home and stop at PICO across the bridge and get tacos. Always felt safe whether walking or driving across. I regret that my son will not be able to have that same level of fun.

Chicago, San Fran and NYC were great just a few years ago. Turns out leftist government does not lead to "greatness".

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Mexico was safer in the 80's and 90's because 95% of the dope was coming from Columbia.

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Honestly, that really isn't the case. The CDG and the Guadalaja Cartel were big time into dope in the 1970's and by the late 80's were probably moving 50% of the blow that came into the US. The CDG used US immigration buses returning north for years as well as National Guard vehicles. Their costs and risk were nil.

In the 1960's there were well organized trafficking organizations for weed and opium in the remote parts of Texas, the old armadillo syndicate.

Mexico was a lot safer because the "business" was controlled by a small number of people, in those years they really were cartels, now they are loose confederations of basically independent local gangs that ebb in flow in power and leadership and don't answer to any one higher power nor anyone in the government.

In all of this mess, there really are no more cartels, and that is the problem. Another reason Mexico was a lot safer back in those days was that the border was truly wide open for the most part. The securing of the border, and contrary to popular current myth, in the early aughts through the present made the smuggling off both dope and people exceedingly more profitable and in demand, thus all the organizations got wealthier, bigger, and more powerful and fringe groups splintered out all over the place.

Ag with kids said:

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usmcbrooks said:

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cavjock88 said:

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Matamoros was fine in the 80s, but the market district was a ways from the border, so ripe for bad things to happen in the travel between (Mark Kilroy showed that. Horrible deal. May he rest in peace.). Discovered Superior beer there. It was my favorite Mexican beer. Sadly taken over by Tecate and they killed it. The Mark Kilroy incident followed by the Cartel violence blew it up.

On to N. Loredo in the early 90s. La Posada and trips across the border to the Cadillac Bar and the market was fun. Cartel blew that up too.

On to Acuna and Shaver and REK at the Carona Club and dinner at Ma Crosby's. Cartel blew that up too. Was a helluva show, though.

On to Progresso and Arturo's. Last time was 2010ish. 50 cal single sand embankments and a twin 50 on a jeep with 18 year old Federales at the entry to town and signs in all the shops to not be alarmed about the military presence was the last straw. Haven't been back since and have no plans to. Progresso was the best situated to cross as the market district started right at the border. They even got hit once by the Cartels.

Miss trips down there, but no way I would go back now.

To show you how much it has changed, Dad use to drive across the Rio Grande at Bouquillas in the 50s and said the Federale at the entry to town had a M1 and would welcome all the Gringos to $.05 beer. No papers. Said the river was shallow enough to drive across in a 52 Buick.

It sure has devolved. Doubt we'll ever see it back to its glory. Oh well...

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Like Josh Brolin said in Sicario.

"Medellin refers to a time when one group controlled every aspect of the drug trade, providing a measure of order that we could control. And until somebody finds a way to convince 20% of the population to stop snorting and smoking that ****, order's the best we can hope for. And what you saw up there, was Alejandro working toward returning that order."

Mexico was safer in the 80's and 90's because 95% of the dope was coming from Columbia.

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If you haven't seen the movie Blow with Johnny Depp, I highly recommend it...

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I have, great movie. American Made, Tom Cruise as Barry Seal is another highly recommended. The highest profile cases in the 80's of Mexican cartel violence was Kiki Camarena and Mark Kilroy. When Pablo Escobar was killed, the Mexican Cartels became more emboldened and followed his path of destruction and narco terrorism. However, they took it to another level.

RGV AG said:

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Superior beer is also my favorite Mexican beer. It was #1 in Mexico from the mid 60's through the late 70"s but resisted modernization and I understood that the owning family was not well connected. When I was a kid in Mex they were the 800 pound beer gorilla.

As of about 4 to 5 years ago it was still available, brewed by the new owning group, in most of the southeastern Mexican states. I love that beer.

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You're white but grew up in a Mexico? I need to hear more.

Yeah, not mistaken for Haitians…

"Yall know where we can get some drugs?"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11836293/Two-American-men-kidnapped-Mexico-lengthy-rap-sheet.html

aggielostinETX said:

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Yeah, not mistaken for Haitians…

"Yall know where we can get some drugs?"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11836293/Two-American-men-kidnapped-Mexico-lengthy-rap-sheet.html

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They were aspiring rappers and generally good people. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

usmcbrooks said:

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aggielostinETX said:

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Yeah, not mistaken for Haitians…

"Yall know where we can get some drugs?"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11836293/Two-American-men-kidnapped-Mexico-lengthy-rap-sheet.html

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They were aspiring rappers and generally good people. They were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Oh sure they were.

I'll be sure to light a candle for their death.

aggielostinETX said:

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Yeah, not mistaken for Haitians…

"Yall know where we can get some drugs?"


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11836293/Two-American-men-kidnapped-Mexico-lengthy-rap-sheet.html

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They could both be getting drugs and mistaken for Haitians. Hell, has anyone even said they weren't actually Haitians?

it's almost as if leftists want to have unlimited drugs and illegal aliens pouring across our borders

now why would that be?

To add to OPs what's so different about this…the cartel turning in their own people?

So the US gov offers 50k. The crime is actually solved. And then cartel turns the culprits in. Wtf….

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11840535/Mexican-cartel-turns-five-members-kidnapped-four-Americans.html

RGV AG said:

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Mexico was safer in the 80's and 90's because 95% of the dope was coming from Columbia.

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Honestly, that really isn't the case. The CDG and the Guadalaja Cartel were big time into dope in the 1970's and by the late 80's were probably moving 50% of the blow that came into the US. The CDG used US immigration buses returning north for years as well as National Guard vehicles. Their costs and risk were nil.

In the 1960's there were well organized trafficking organizations for weed and opium in the remote parts of Texas, the old armadillo syndicate.

Mexico was a lot safer because the "business" was controlled by a small number of people, in those years they really were cartels, now they are loose confederations of basically independent local gangs that ebb in flow in power and leadership and don't answer to any one higher power nor anyone in the government.

In all of this mess, there really are no more cartels, and that is the problem. Another reason Mexico was a lot safer back in those days was that the border was truly wide open for the most part. The securing of the border, and contrary to popular current myth, in the early aughts through the present made the smuggling off both dope and people exceedingly more profitable and in demand, thus all the organizations got wealthier, bigger, and more powerful and fringe groups splintered out all over the place.

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Narcos - Mexico showed how all of this happened. Guadalajara had a "peaceful" syndicate that involved all of the major trafficking area (Gulf/Matamoros, Juarez, Tinjuana). The guy that masterminded it was arrested in a political move for the murder of a DEA agent, and warned the DEA that "you are going to miss me" because without him, there would all out war for territory. He was right.

The show was cancelled before it really got to El Chapo's reign. Coincidentally, the person probably most responsible for the DEA agent's murder, the hothead cousin "Rafa", was rearrested after being on the run last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/15/rafael-caro-quintero-arrested-mexico-drug-lord