They say the best story wins. Prosecutor's story was screen obsessed people stopped texting, so that's when they died.

Defense had absolutely no story to explain why they could have stopped texting at that time.

Alex could have testified as something like "When I left, PawlPawl said his phone was dead and he and Mags said they were going to exercise the dogs before they put them back in the cages. Usually they go out in the field and throw tennis balls for 20 minutes or so"

Now you have a reason to hang on as to why they put down the phones and why the murder time was 20 minutes later, which corresponds to when he was on the road.

Exactly, for being such an accomplished and professional liar, if he was lying about what went down when he last saw Maggie and Paul, he did an absolutely horrible job of lying about it.

Juror interview. Doesn't really have conclusions about the timeline and what happened when. Not sure about AM throwing the phone.

But, beyond a reasonable doubt?

Also he thinks the shotgun blast on the first shot knocked Alex down to the ground allowing for the 2nd shot to come from then angle that state was claiming. So fat drugged out Alex with bad knees managed to pop up and arm himself with an AR and take down Maggie before she made it over to them. Would love to see video of that

State's explanation for the second shot to Paul was quite different - the explanation below is more or less a compilation of what the medical examiner (Riemer) and other expert witness (Kinsey) for the state said:

The shot came up from a lower angle with Paul still standing in the feed room doorway, grazing Paul's shoulder, leaving a long wound across the top of his should, entered his neck below the jaw and through his head, exiting the back of his head, expelling his brain as the shot exploded a giant hole in the back of his skull.

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Also he thinks the shotgun blast on the first shot knocked Alex down to the ground allowing for the 2nd shot to come from then angle that state was claiming. So fat drugged out Alex with bad knees managed to pop up and arm himself with an AR and take down Maggie before she made it over to them. Would love to see video of that

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The juror had already made his mind up that Alex killed him and made up this story to justify it.

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Also he thinks the shotgun blast on the first shot knocked Alex down to the ground allowing for the 2nd shot to come from then angle that state was claiming. So fat drugged out Alex with bad knees managed to pop up and arm himself with an AR and take down Maggie before she made it over to them. Would love to see video of that

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The juror had already made his mind up that Alex killed him and made up this story to justify it.

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Even worse, the judge had made up his mind and he picked the jury.

He thinks that someone that owns a 1200+ acre ranch and between 20-30 firearms would get knocked down by shooting a shotgun. He's not a 50 lb 6 year old.

Nave doesnt even being to describe it.

Listening to all of the interviews and press conferences (prosecution, defense, SLED), it certainly seems that everyone in South Carolina wanted him to go down for this and it was going to happen no matter the evidence presented. I don't know for sure whether he did it or not, but that trial was a **** show. He probably did, but I certainly don't think it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

ETA: Judges comments as well

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He thinks that someone that owns a 1200+ acre ranch and between 20-30 firearms would get knocked down by shooting a shotgun. He's not a 50 lb 6 year old.

Nave doesnt even being to describe it.

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Six four and at the time, around 275 pounds. Big guy.

And FTR: Moselle is 1,700 acres and Alex bought it in 2013 from Barrett Boulware, suspected drug dealer. Moselle had an airstrip and private plane hangar on it when Alex bought it. Boulware was a long term financial partner in real estate deals over the years until Boulware died of cancer in September of 2018. Boulware was also supposedly one of the people from whom Alex supposedly stole money.

Boulware was indicted during the Reagan admin but case was dropped when the key government witness was killed in Florida. IIRC, it was a hit and run and never solved.

Interesting. I didnt know that. Thanks for sharing.

It was alluded to in the netflix doc, when asked what the hanger and airstrip were for, Anthony Cook (Mallory Beach's boyfriend at the time of her death and a good friend of Paul) said that it was for "drugs and hookers, you name it" or something similar to that.

He brushed it off as "you can't take everything Paul says at face value", but I still thought it was a weird comment. But the connection to the drug runner might have been what he was talking about -- not necessarily that his father did it.

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Listening to all of the interviews and press conferences (prosecution, defense, SLED), it certainly seems that everyone in South Carolina wanted him to go down for this and it was going to happen no matter the evidence presented. I don't know for sure whether he did it or not, but that trial was a **** show. He probably did, but I certainly don't think it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

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It wasn't. When SLED admits on the stand they lied to the grand jury to obtain the murder indictments, that should have been the end of the trial right there. Because the matters that SLED lied about were so momentous.

Grand jury was told that SLED obtained an outside expert, a blood spatter one from Oklahoma who found "high velocity blood spatter" on Alex's shirt.

Problem was that SLED's own DNA analyst had earlier performed confirmatory tests for that same shirt that had prsumptive tests for blood BUT DID NOT FIND ONE SPECK OF HUMAN BLOOD. After the defense found out about that DNA Analyst's report, Assistant state AG Creighton Waters instructed that analyst to thrw into her file how often the presumptive test destroy the object and the confirmatory tests were wrong. She did the reaerch as ordered but unfortunately her white paper research came back with an over 96% accuracy rate on the confirmatory testing after using that type of preseumptive test.

Now, quite accidentally, I came across a show on the Oxygen Channel yesterday about this case and other events around the Murdaughs. That included the death of the Moselle housekeeper, Gloria Satterwhite. There was a 911 call. Maggie called and Alex was on the phone too with 911. Satterwhite fell outside, on the brick steps, not inside the house. The dogs tripping her never made sense to me had she fallen inside because the dogs were never in the house due to Buster's allergies. (They thought his ecxema was exacerbated by the dogs.)

Maggie tells 911 that Satterwhite fell down "eight steps, brick steps." Upper right picture here.

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Interesting. I didnt know that. Thanks for sharing.

It was alluded to in the netflix doc, when asked what the hanger and airstrip were for, Anthony Cook (Mallory Beach's boyfriend at the time of her death and a good friend of Paul) said that it was for "drugs and hookers, you name it" or something similar to that.

He brushed it off as "you can't take everything Paul says at face value", but I still thought it was a weird comment. But the connection to the drug runner might have been what he was talking about -- not necessarily that his father did it.

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During the state's rebuttal case, Creighton called one of Alex's former law partners back to the stand again, Ronnie Crosby. He testified at length about how Boulware was dying of cancer, his wife needed money to pay his hospital bills but Alex was stealing money from him and did not sell off some the real estate they jointly owned to help her out.

There was no way the defense could come back with, "Boulware was a drug trafficker and owed Alex money! He screwed Alex on a few of their drug deals!" Now could they?

Let's face it, defense was defending a Southern Style Mafioso but who actualy didn't murder his wife and son. But he did a lot of other bad things.

Reminds of a case back in the 60s when a guy was sentenced to death and he addressed the judge saying, "Well, I didn't kill this guy but I killed a lot of others, so that's fair, I guess."

That juror:

"I think we all did a good job of taking all the evidence and seeing where it led us"

"We deliberated for 30 minutes"

LOL

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Interesting. I didnt know that. Thanks for sharing.

It was alluded to in the netflix doc, when asked what the hanger and airstrip were for, Anthony Cook (Mallory Beach's boyfriend at the time of her death and a good friend of Paul) said that it was for "drugs and hookers, you name it" or something similar to that.

He brushed it off as "you can't take everything Paul says at face value", but I still thought it was a weird comment. But the connection to the drug runner might have been what he was talking about -- not necessarily that his father did it.

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This was back during the 80s and had no involvement with Alex directly since was too young back then.

But his Dad? Looking the other way while his palm was being greased? And that was part of the family business?

Just like Bill Clinton and Mena?

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That juror:

"I think we all did a good job of taking all the evidence and seeing where it led us"

"We deliberated for 30 minutes"

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Only a six week trial. Zero direct evidence. No blood, no DNA, no GSR, no ballistics, no fingerprints, no murder weapons, no footprints, no tire tread prints.No evidence related to the actual murders.

"BUT HE LIED! ABOUT THE KENNEL VIDEO!"

Any body understand that the video's origin was and time stamp was in the possession of the state since June 7th in 2021 but never came to light until April 2022? And the state didn't give that to the defense until muc later?

Randy thinks Alex knows more than he's saying.

Interesting. DIdn't think the cracks in the Murdaugh clans support of Alex would show up this quickly. Just assumed they would remain quiet and supportive through the appeals process with their real opinions coming out once it becomes clear Alex will spend the rest of his days in prison.

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Interesting. DIdn't think the cracks in the Murdaugh clans support of Alex would show up this quickly. Just assumed they would remain quiet and supportive through the appeals process with their real opinions coming out once it becomes clear Alex will spend the rest of his days in prison.

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This brother has sued Alex and hasn't talked to him in a year or more.

So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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Considering they weren't allowed to take notes in the courtroom, I could see it being a case of them being convinced by other jurors that they misremembered something. Those other jurors could have been right or could have themselves misremembered or both.

I can't believe they weren't allowed to take notes for what was planned to be a 3 week trial and certainly not for a 6 week trial.

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So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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The male juror I posted a video interview with said they only talked about the case for maybe 30 minutes. The rest of the time was getting in a couple votes and ordering food

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So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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Considering they weren't allowed to take notes in the courtroom, I could see it being a case of them being convinced by other jurors that the misremembered something. Those other jurors could have been right or could have themselves misremembered or both.

I can't believe they weren't allowed to take notes for what was planned to be a 3 week trial and certainly not for a 6 week trial.

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Or they were sick of being on a jury for six weeks and just wanted to go home for the weekend and the guilty voters said they wouldn't change the vote

Apparently the juror that the judge kicked out was going to vote not guilty and would not have changed her mind, even if it was 11-1.

Good thing Newman kicked her out with the help of the SLED gang before turning the case over to Egg Lady

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Apparently the juror that the judge kicked out was going to vote not guilty and would not have changed her mind, even if it was 11-1.

Good thing Newman kicked her out with the help of the SLED gang before turning the case over to Egg Lady

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Why SLED was involved in that, I have no idea. Juror misconduct gets reported to the court and the Sheriff's office is the investigatory agency for the court. So, my assumption is that Creighton objected to the Sheriff's department investigating it and referred it to SLED himself or had the actual AG do that.

At the AG's victory presser with 17 members of the prosecution team and AG Wilson was effusive in his praise of SLED and how closely they worked together throughout the case. Have to wonder if SLED was monitoring the jurors.

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Apparently the juror that the judge kicked out was going to vote not guilty and would not have changed her mind, even if it was 11-1.

Good thing Newman kicked her out with the help of the SLED gang before turning the case over to Egg Lady

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Wow.

interesting story here about Alex. https://www.foxnews.com/us/alex-murdaugh-allegedly-raped-sex-worker-thought-going-die-report

Seems like they were able to confirm some pieces of the story.

All in all one big thing I take away from this whole thing is many people in positions of power from local govt/lawyers all the way up to the top in Washington are all connected by little dots and most all are corrupt, lying POS. Even the story about the govt official who Alex is currently bribing with connections to USC and getting Buster back in law school, even while in jail he's working his pull.

Wife killing expert believes there is reasonable doubt.

People keep asking me my opinion of the Alex Murdaugh trial. pic.twitter.com/G7F7F3S83Z

— O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) March 2, 2023

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Murdaugh wasn't the only powerful man with whom Edwards said she was forced to have sex.

"We ended up servicing mayors, judges, solicitors, district attorneys from other states, cops," she said. "Servicing people at the PGA Masters, very big name people, a lot of big name CEOs and companies and stuff like that. It's a lot more than just Alex."

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Seems like blackmailing those "clients" would be a lucrative gig?

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So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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Considering they weren't allowed to take notes in the courtroom, I could see it being a case of them being convinced by other jurors that the misremembered something. Those other jurors could have been right or could have themselves misremembered or both.

I can't believe they weren't allowed to take notes for what was planned to be a 3 week trial and certainly not for a 6 week trial.

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Or they were sick of being on a jury for six weeks and just wanted to go home for the weekend and the guilty voters said they wouldn't change the vote

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There's definitely the argument of you're not sentencing an innocent man to jail, you're just sentencing him for the wrong thing. So maybe you're not beyond a reasonable doubt, but you're close, so why waste more of your time when he's going to jail anyway

I think I would personally be more susceptible to the misremembering problem, though. After all, a few of their fellow jurors proved that if you want out, you can get out pretty easily.

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So 2 jurors started with not guilty and 45 minutes later went to guilty. Has anyone asked what changed their mind in that short of time? 6 weeks of testimony (not guilty) to 45 minutes of discussion to guilty??

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Considering they weren't allowed to take notes in the courtroom, I could see it being a case of them being convinced by other jurors that the misremembered something. Those other jurors could have been right or could have themselves misremembered or both.

I can't believe they weren't allowed to take notes for what was planned to be a 3 week trial and certainly not for a 6 week trial.

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Or they were sick of being on a jury for six weeks and just wanted to go home for the weekend and the guilty voters said they wouldn't change the vote

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There's definitely the argument of you're not sentencing an innocent man to jail, you're just sentencing him for the wrong thing. So maybe you're not beyond a reasonable doubt, but you're close, so why waste more of your time when he's going to jail anyway

I think I would personally be more susceptible to the misremembering problem, though. After all, a few of their fellow jurors proved that if you want out, you can get out pretty easily.

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I don't know, the guy who was the brother of a State's witness that the Defense intended to paint as incompetent or corrupt couldn't get out of it

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Apparently the juror that the judge kicked out was going to vote not guilty and would not have changed her mind, even if it was 11-1.

Good thing Newman kicked her out with the help of the SLED gang before turning the case over to Egg Lady

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Nice if true. So very convenient.

Branca put out a rumble on his reactions to the jurors' interviews. He makes some good points.

Maggie's 911 call regarding Gloria Sattfield's fall.

ETA: Now that I have listened to that again on the computer and not on the TV, I think the male voice is not Alex. Maybe Paul or Buster.

It's Paul.