They are filing appeals quickly, including in federal court if necessary. Griffin says US supreme court precedent is clear that the fifth amendment violation on the stand was outside the bounds and he thinks they will win in federal court if the state courts deny.

Says no negotiations for plea, never offered from either side.

Poot says he was portrayed as a monster who stole from orphans and cripples and had no choice but to take the stand to explain.

Says they did focus groups on the other side of the state and eight out of 10 people had extensive knowledge of the case already. Says there wasn't really a point in moving the trial.

I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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They said Alex was very pessimistic going into the trial. They said he was in a better mood after the states case and was hopeful.

Asked if they were outmatched. Poot says no. He says they lost the case the second and the judge allowed all the extraneous testimony and when they started putting orphans and other people on the stand testify about money he stole. Didn't matter what the forensics or physical evidence shows at that point. It was over.

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I agree on all points

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Asked about special security measures for him in prison. Defense says they don't know. Not up to them.

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So in other words "watch your cornhole Alex/Alec/Prison Wife."

Plenty of good ol boys on prison staff that might have had a tie in to some money shenanigans by the Murdaughs.

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The video was on Snapchat and was taken by Paul of his friends dog because Paul was going to send the video to his friends. It was a short 0:58 clip shot with Paul's phone. Paul's phone was as 1% batter after shooting the video and the video was never sent.

No other cameras/recordings down there other than the phones.

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Thanks!

I've seen that video and the HBO doc. IMO it just seems like small town gossip and innuendo without any concrete evidence. Maybe investigators are keeping it close to the vest.

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That's fair. But sometimes it's small-town gossip that solves cases. I cant minimize this enough, but some times it does.

It solved the case of Tara Grinstead when she was murdered by one of her former students in a small town in Georgia. All that had to happen was someone started asking questions, and they asked the right question to the right person.

When that case was solved, it was found out that the person who committed/helped commit the crime was related to powerful people (he was kin to a Georgia state representative), legally speaking.

Maybe Buster's a free guy and just has to cope with the indefinite incarceration of his father. But if I were a betting man, I bet he doesn't sleep dick-up. He has to be worried about SLED coming after him for Stephen Smith.

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They said Alex was very pessimistic going into the trial. They said he was in a better mood after the states case and was hopeful.

Asked if they were outmatched. Poot says no. He says they lost the case the second and the judge allowed all the extraneous testimony and when they started putting orphans and other people on the stand testify about money he stole. Didn't matter what the forensics or physical evidence shows at that point. It was over.

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Agree with this right here. I think he probably did it, but there are a ****load of timeline and forensic issues with the prosecution's case that are problematic for me. Problematic to the point that I would voted NG? Not sure; I still think I land on guilty because there was also some key problematic items for Murdaugh. The judge let in way too much that sealed it. Then a 45 minute deliberation after 6 weeks where apparently 2 jurors changed their mind with the 45 minutes is a sad indictment of this jury pool. I don't have an issue with guilty based on the parade they saw, but 45 minutes is a joke

Valid points. I'm sure he'll be charged soon if the evidence is there.

That's the crux of what I was getting at. Even if there is no evidence, blood is in the water and people hate this family.

We will see what happens, I suppose.

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The video was saved to Paul's phone but was never sent if I remember correctly. The state estimated time of death by when the cell phone activity ceased. Their timeline had the deaths occurring at that time because that's the last time phones were used. The last use of Paul's phone was around a similar time to Maggie, I am not sure exactly when. Testimony they were both avid cell phone users. But Paul's phone was on low battery mode at 2% battery. Maggie could have conceivably put her phone down somewhere or stop using it to do something with the dogs. It's not exact evidence, but it fits with the state theory of Alex doing it.

GPS data on Maggie's phone was lost in police custody because they didn't secure the phone properly in a faraday bag and the GPS data was overwritten. If that doesn't happen we likely have an exact time of death and exact path of the phone at the exact time it was transported. Police ****ed up.

I just can't get past a juror who would vote not guilty on a 1st vote after a 6 week trial and change their mind in 45 minutes with double life sentences at stake. That's someone ready for a 3 day weekend

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Asked about special security measures for him in prison. Defense says they don't know. Not up to them.

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So in other words "watch your cornhole Alex/Alec/Prison Wife."

Plenty of good ol boys on prison staff that might have had a tie in to some money shenanigans by the Murdaughs.

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Maybe not. The quality of legal filings by inmates coming out of the SC state pen is about to potentially increase 100 fold.

First thing you should do on your first day in the Pen is locate the biggest and baddest guy you can find and try to beat this **** out of him. Assuming Alex is too old for that, an alternative plan B may be to find that same guy but offer to help him with some appellate issues.

Edit to say: Meant to use the winking icon on this post

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No, there was no testimony about any divorce. You're bringing it stuff from Netflix and HBO.

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They have text messages of AM asking his wife to come stay at the hunting lodge bc she was living out of county due to PM's criminal case. But don't let that get in the way if your flamming.

True but I hope they don't charge him without evidence. That would be really bad.

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No, there was no testimony about any divorce. You're bringing it stuff from Netflix and HBO.

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They have text messages of AM asking his wife to come stay at the hunting lodge bc she was living out of county due to PM's criminal case. But don't let that get in the way if your flamming.

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I don't know what flamming means but there was no testimony about a divorce. Even her sister, who seems to think Alex did this, said they were happily married on the stand. If you know of testimony about a divorce, I'll admit I'm wrong.

This is what I was replying to, just so you understand the context.

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wasn't there testimony the wife was getting sick of him and might divorce him?

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Poot reminds me of the senator from the Shooter movie. He's rubs me as a corrupt low country boy as well.

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He DID.

That has nothing to do with a divorce. Testimony in the trial was that she preferred staying near the coast during the summer and didn't like the hunting lodge because she was more of a girly girl. That's where she was staying. However, she loved the dogs and often took them back-and-forth between the properties. No evidence that she was deliberately trying to stay away from Paul or the county or whatever.

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They said Alex was very pessimistic going into the trial. They said he was in a better mood after the states case and was hopeful.

Asked if they were outmatched. Poot says no. He says they lost the case the second and the judge allowed all the extraneous testimony and when they started putting orphans and other people on the stand testify about money he stole. Didn't matter what the forensics or physical evidence shows at that point. It was over.

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100% agree. I think the judge and Waters both knew it was going to come in and the extreme prejudicial effect it would have.

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I just can't get past a juror who would vote not guilty on a 1st vote after a 6 week trial and change their mind in 45 minutes with double life sentences at stake. That's someone ready for a 3 day weekend

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Really recommend Larry Lawton YouTube channel. He spent 11 years in federal prison for robbing diamond stores for the mob. He says the people who walked in and punched the biggest guy were acting on some *really* bad advice.

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The Snapchat video was hours earlier.

The video was in the kennel. DA said the murders happened 3 minutes after that video was shot, although they had no actual evidence to back up that that was the actual time of the shooting.

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And then he asked Griffin if it was politically correct.

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agracer said:

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The video was on Snapchat and was taken by Paul of his friends dog because Paul was going to send the video to his friends. It was a short 0:58 clip shot with Paul's phone. Paul's phone was as 1% batter after shooting the video and the video was never sent.

No other cameras/recordings down there other than the phones.

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Thanks, I though they had a video stream or something.

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agracer said:

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The video was saved to Paul's phone but was never sent if I remember correctly. The state estimated time of death by when the cell phone activity ceased. Their timeline had the deaths occurring at that time because that's the last time phones were used. The last use of Paul's phone was around a similar time to Maggie, I am not sure exactly when. Testimony they were both avid cell phone users. But Paul's phone was on low battery mode at 2% battery. Maggie could have conceivably put her phone down somewhere or stop using it to do something with the dogs. It's not exact evidence, but it fits with the state theory of Alex doing it.

GPS data on Maggie's phone was lost in police custody because they didn't secure the phone properly in a faraday bag and the GPS data was overwritten. If that doesn't happen we likely have an exact time of death and exact path of the phone at the exact time it was transported. Police ****ed up.

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Maybe they did it on purpose b/c it exonerated AM ?

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Which docu-drama did you get this from? Exactly what evidence points to Buster? Not gossip but actual evidence?

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Paul once referred to the victim using the f-word at a family dinner.

Also, Buster and the victim appeared in the same high school yearbook.

What more evidence do you want?

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so you have evidence

that even though the townspeople and the school students knew Buster was getting "tutored" by the ONE GHEY GUY IN SCHOOl

he had no connections with Smith?

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You want him to prove a negative?

Can you prove any connections to Smith? Who ever saw them together? Had they ever even spoken? Any evidence besides gossip and innuendo from HBO? Are you sure you're an attorney?

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Why do you assume everyone that disagrees with you only watched a documentary? Is it reasonable to believe you struggle to make friends?

Yeah, I don't see how you can use Paul's phone going inactive as evidence of anything given the battery status. Same with hers since they botched it. And those phones were a massive part of the state's case.

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agracer said:

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I asked during one of the daily threads but did not get an answer.

How is there video of AM being with Maggie and Paul 'minutes before the murder" (which no one can definitely point to the actual time of the murders) and there is no video evidence* of the murders or events around the kennels after AM left?

* Video was on twich, or tic-tok or some other platform, yes?

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The video was saved to Paul's phone but was never sent if I remember correctly. The state estimated time of death by when the cell phone activity ceased. Their timeline had the deaths occurring at that time because that's the last time phones were used. The last use of Paul's phone was around a similar time to Maggie, I am not sure exactly when. Testimony they were both avid cell phone users. But Paul's phone was on low battery mode at 2% battery. Maggie could have conceivably put her phone down somewhere or stop using it to do something with the dogs. It's not exact evidence, but it fits with the state theory of Alex doing it.

GPS data on Maggie's phone was lost in police custody because they didn't secure the phone properly in a faraday bag and the GPS data was overwritten. If that doesn't happen we likely have an exact time of death and exact path of the phone at the exact time it was transported. Police ****ed up.

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Paul's dog video was at 8:44p. He sent texts after that at 848p. Paul's battery was at 2%

DA said death was at 850p

Maggie had 59 steps at 8:53-8:55p. DA claims she was running towards her son. But the DA also claimed that they were shot at 8:50p and 59 steps in two minutes isn't running for anyone.

Alex had 283 steps at 906p, then his Surburban was started. He called Maggie at 904 and 906, then texts her that he is going to check on his mom and drives there.

Alex back at Moselle at 9:56.

It was Alex that led police to her phone using the FindMyPhone app. They probably dont find it without that.

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I LITERALLY STATED THAT IF 12 OUT OF 12 JURORS FIND HIM GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT then I trust their decision.

what are you talking about?

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Yeah, I have listened to enough of the Wrongful Conviction podcast and enough of Barry Scheck to know that 12 people voting guilty after 45 minutes in a 6 week trial so they can enjoy the weekend isn't enough for me.

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Did those defendants have million dollar lawyers? I certainly agree our system gets it wrong sometimes but he had very competent lawyers.

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I LITERALLY STATED THAT IF 12 OUT OF 12 JURORS FIND HIM GUILTY BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT then I trust their decision.

what are you talking about?

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Yeah, I have listened to enough of the Wrongful Conviction podcast and enough of Barry Scheck to know that 12 people voting guilty after 45 minutes in a 6 week trial so they can enjoy the weekend isn't enough for me.

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Did those defendants have million dollar lawyers? I certainly agree our system gets it wrong sometimes but he had very competent lawyers.

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Doesn't matter how expensive your lawyers are if the judge allows prejudicial evidence in that has little to nothing to do with the crime being tried for.

But I would imagine that many people have been convicted of crimes even with good or great attorneys.

Fees =! ability. And there are a lot more factors at work in getting someone convicted.

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No, there was no testimony about any divorce. You're bringing it stuff from Netflix and HBO.

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They have text messages of AM asking his wife to come stay at the hunting lodge bc she was living out of county due to PM's criminal case. But don't let that get in the way if your flamming.

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I don't know what flamming means but there was no testimony about a divorce. Even her sister, who seems to think Alex did this, said they were happily married on the stand. If you know of testimony about a divorce, I'll admit I'm wrong.

This is what I was replying to, just so you understand the context.

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They have proof they were living apart

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No, there was no testimony about any divorce. You're bringing it stuff from Netflix and HBO.

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They have text messages of AM asking his wife to come stay at the hunting lodge bc she was living out of county due to PM's criminal case. But don't let that get in the way if your flamming.

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I don't know what flamming means but there was no testimony about a divorce. Even her sister, who seems to think Alex did this, said they were happily married on the stand. If you know of testimony about a divorce, I'll admit I'm wrong.

This is what I was replying to, just so you understand the context.

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She spent most of her time at their beach house while he spent most of his time at their home closer to work.

Doesn't mean they were unhappy or getting divorced.

The Moselle House was 9mi from the law firm. The Beach House was 70.

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That has nothing to do with a divorce. Testimony in the trial was that she preferred staying near the coast during the summer and didn't like the hunting lodge because she was more of a girly girl. That's where she was staying. However, she loved the dogs and often took them back-and-forth between the properties. No evidence that she was deliberately trying to stay away from Paul or the county or whatever.

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A reasonable person can conclude a couple living apart is having issues. Her son killed someone in a small town and you think she just prefers the coast!?

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That has nothing to do with a divorce. Testimony in the trial was that she preferred staying near the coast during the summer and didn't like the hunting lodge because she was more of a girly girl. That's where she was staying. However, she loved the dogs and often took them back-and-forth between the properties. No evidence that she was deliberately trying to stay away from Paul or the county or whatever.

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A reasonable person can conclude a couple living apart is having issues. Her son killed someone in a small town and you think she just prefers the coast!?

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IT was testified she didn't like spending time in that small town because of her doofus son and his stunt that caused many of the people there to not appreciably like her anymore.

Having a competent lawyer doesn't help you when the judge doesn't follow the rules. I posted the Faria case earlier in the thread. He had some of the best attorneys in Missouri and lost to a rookie prosecutor because a rookie judge tilted the table so far toward the prosecution there was no hope. Thankfully the appeals court did their job. But he still spent years in prison for murder he didn't commit.