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From a math standpoint, I think DeSantis (absent an independent run by trump which, given his ego, you can't really rule out) wins every state trump won plus Georgia and Arizona pretty easily. At that point all he has to do is take PA or VA, both of which are very winnable without trump on the ticket. You could also argue Nevada and Wisconsin would be in play without trump driving people to vote against him, but they don't matter if he can take VA or PA.

This board massively underestimates how much the average person in the middle dislikes trump, and the only way the republicans can win again is by getting those middle voters back. As a pretty traditional and professional politician, DeSantis will not be hated that way no matter what the media tries to throw at him.

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Wisdom. Those saying DeSantis has the potential to be unlikeable haven't studied his background and history

Played in Little League World Series
Played baseball at Yale and was team captain
Navy JAG for Seal Team One in Afghanistan
Navy JAG at Guantanamo Bay
Founding Member of Freedom Caucus with Jim Jordan
Governor of Florida
Hot ass cancer survivor wife
Gorgeous kids

Dude is Captain America

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He also graduated from Harvard Law

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He also graduated from Harvard Law

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I like DeSantis, but that is not a plus in my book

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nortex97 said:

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DeSantis takes on ESG while Trump takes on Rihanna. What else do you need to know? pic.twitter.com/sitEOAhxRi

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 14, 2023

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This is a simplistic yet perfect example of the difference between the two. Why is Trump even commenting on Rihanna? What does he have to gain? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What does he have to lose? Votes. Yeah the SB halftime show was dumb but who cares? They pretty much always are. But it's typical Trump. Never miss an opportunity to make more people dislike you over a stupid topic to begin with.

DeSantis doesn't do dumb sh** like this.

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This. What good could come from attacking a pregnant black lady that tens of millions just watched perform? It's not like she exposed her nips to the world on purpose. What NEW followers is he going to pick up? What is the purpose of that tweet? Just stupid.

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He also graduated from Harvard Law

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I like DeSantis, but that is not a plus in my book

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To be fair, there's a pretty dramatic difference between 1990's Harvard and the uber woke, racist, hijacked Harvard of today.

I know some VERY conservative successful businessmen who gradated from Harvard Law and Harvard Business School.

I think it is very clear that Desantis is a conservative and a man of action, waging a war against the psychotic left of today and their destructive policies. He's not a fake. They wouldn't let a puppet swing a state like FL hard red if he was "establishment" or "globalist" like some of the paranoid Always-Trumpers on here seem to worry about.

Careful there dude. You may give some certain posters a heart attack if you say anything that the all knowing all powerful Trump does is "stupid."

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nortex97 said:

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DeSantis takes on ESG while Trump takes on Rihanna. What else do you need to know? pic.twitter.com/sitEOAhxRi

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) February 14, 2023

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This is a simplistic yet perfect example of the difference between the two. Why is Trump even commenting on Rihanna? What does he have to gain? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. What does he have to lose? Votes. Yeah the SB halftime show was dumb but who cares? They pretty much always are. But it's typical Trump. Never miss an opportunity to make more people dislike you over a stupid topic to begin with.

DeSantis doesn't do dumb sh** like this.

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Trump and DeSantis aren't going after the same voters. I know it is hard for some people to wrap their heads around this idea, but not everyone has the same life experience much less lives in the same economic/social bubble. It is easy to be annoyed by Trumps antics, but it is easily demonstrable that Trump is playing a tune that rings with the disenfranchised working class that is more rough around the edges. Trump is making inroads on a key demographic that can contribute to the victory. DeSantis meanwhile is showing a tangible path that gives a different subset of the republican party hope and energy. Both men can be accomplishing the same goal without doing it the same way!

edited to soften the tone as i was annoyed when i wrote it originally.

How old is tweeting about the Super Bowl halftime show help Trump with the "disenfranchised workers " ? (is that really even a thing?)

Your post is very wrong, sorry. DeSantis is trying to court those same voters, and he is doing a damn good job at it.

The working class doesn't care about Florida's GDP year over year numbers. Nor does it care about Florida's school programs or Florida laws. They don't spend hours reading and searching out alternative news. Nor do they listen to Shapiro or other similar podcasts. It sucks. It would be great if people had sufficient time and desire to inform themselves and make logically the right choices. That isn't reality.

Thanks for your answer, so you are saying the working class is too dumb to care about anything other than Rihanna comments?

You are very wrong, sir. No disrespect intended. The working class cares about jobs and making money for themselves and their children. You don't need to listen to Shapiro for breakdown. GDP reports to see the results. DeSantis gets results.

I am not saying, Trump does not get results;, he did a GREAT job with the economy. It's your position that DeSantis isn't trying to court these "disenfranchised workers" that doesn't hold water.

Throwaway comment for you. You would be more persuasive if you attacked DeSantis less. Given the Texags Republican crowd is a more educated and christian they likely respect and like many of the aspects of DeSantis that make you weary. Your goal should be to try to show how DeSantis and Trump are more aligned than different. Ultimately the goal is the best candidate hopefully wins the nomination and then takes the white house. That could be DeSantis. It could be Trump.

The above is assuming your goal would be to help encourage people to vote for Trump assuming he gets the Republican nomination. Which I have no way of knowing if that is really what you want.

Tell me you are clueless without saying you're clueless. PA24 will go first:

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Small town America has woke to the woken and will not support a Cuban from Florida no matter how much you polish him.

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The idea that DeSantis should "stand down" is hilarious. She has the best leader in the conservative movement right now. Sorry he hurt the orangeGod's feewwings.

I said they are courting groups in 2 different approaches. Trump has a clear following and established group that has either not been involved or not republican. There is a reason he crushed Romney & McCain in votes in 2020 compared to their presidential bids.

Working class is a very broad term and not one I like using because of the chance of different interpretations. There are people who "perceive" how their lives have been negatively impacted by: politicians, academia, Tech companies MSM, and Entertainment. Basically a modern Aristocrat class that likes to mock them any chance they get. Because Trump has been a target from almost everyone in the "Aristocrat" class it has drawn attraction. So the more Aristocrats attack Trump, the more the working class is rallied to him. Its why in 2016 he went from nobody to Republican nominee. Even though everyone was attacking him. What the left failed to grasp is that their aristocrat weapons were actually empowering Trump.

That is of course how I see things. There was a good podcast on Conversations with Coleman where he talks with David Sacks (paypal guy) that lays out the class system in America.

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Trump and DeSantis aren't going after the same voters.

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DeSantis and Trump both want the blue collar Republican voters. DeSantis is not going to assume they are dumb and only respond to Rihanna tweets.

I don't think Trump feels that way either, but that's the rubbish you were pushing

Maybe I included all the rest of the sentences to provide more context to that one quote. Yes of course DeSantis is courting working class. He is doing it in a way that is different. Which likely means he is courting a particular subset of the working class which is generally different than Trump. Of course there will be some overlap as the groups aren't distinct but the general point still stands. 2 approaches can prove better than 1. Especially when dealing with a broad spectrum of economic, geographical and social circumstances.

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Soccer moms that I know of didn't hate Trump because the media told them to, they hated him because they truly think the media told them he's a sleazy old narcissistic bully.

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He really is one. I couldn't wait to vote for him in 2020 but he really is a sleazy old narcissistic bully. Most recent example of his garbage is basically calling Desantis a "groomer" for having a beer around hot chicks just a couple years younger than him like a normal red blooded American male in the 90's.

Trump burned through marriages and banged porn stars, yet we're supposed to believe he owns the moral high ground because of this??? LOL fugggg that

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That's my fugging future prez right there boiiiiiiiiiii

Look many DeSantis voters want him to win the nomination because he is their "ideal" hero. With stakes as high as they are, you can't be upset that they want the best person forward. Which is potentially your motivation just for Trump. You can be confident in your support and defend with reason. It is effective just not satisfying.

The principle i was suggesting is simply: Attacking someone doesn't change their mind it merely serves to stiffen their resistance.

(I'm indifferent to DeSantis or Trump winning the nomination by the way)

I don't like Trump either but I'm voting for him. Why? Cause he's the toughest Republican summich in the valley.

I want the candidate that has a best shot of winning the general election, and I think Ron De Santis has a much chance than Donald Trump.

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I don't like Trump either but I'm voting for him. Why? Cause he's the toughest Republican summich in the valley.

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Kind of odd to call captain bone spurs "tough" when he's going against someone who voluntarily served.

The 80 year old diaper wearing fat slob is tougher than the 45 year old former Seal ?

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The working class doesn't care about Florida's GDP year over year numbers. Nor does it care about Florida's school programs or Florida laws. They don't spend hours reading and searching out alternative news. Nor do they listen to Shapiro or other similar podcasts. It sucks. It would be great if people had sufficient time and desire to inform themselves and make logically the right choices. That isn't reality.

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So the working class vote needs Trump to trash Rihanna to get them fired up to get out the vote?

No. They don't. MAGA worked. Build the wall worked. America First worked.

No need to personalize attacks. Stupid. Terrible Trump.

"If it is DeSantis on election night, November 2024, it will still come down to the shenanigans in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Arizona and Michigan"
Very True

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Soccer moms that I know of didn't hate Trump because the media told them to, they hated him because they truly think the media told them he's a sleazy old narcissistic bully.

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He really is one. I couldn't wait to vote for him in 2020 but he really is a sleazy old narcissistic bully. Most recent example of his garbage is basically calling Desantis a "groomer" for having a beer around hot chicks just a couple years younger than him like a normal red blooded American male in the 90's.

Trump burned through marriages and banged porn stars, yet we're supposed to believe he owns the moral high ground because of this??? LOL fugggg that

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That's my fugging future prez right there boiiiiiiiiiii

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I don't like Trump either but I'm voting for him. Why? Cause he's the toughest Republican summich in the valley.

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I have to disagree based on Desantis's actions and ability to swing FL solid red in just a few years. While Trump was mocking Sweden for not locking down, Desantis was trying to keep his state as open and free as possible…who knows how many small businesses and livelihoods he saved. Trump still worships the vaccines simply bc they happened under his watch and he's a narcissistic mofo.

Desantis fights ESG, woke garbage, school grooming, and left winged corporations like no one else. Trump is likely taking notes. If he's not, then he's stupid as hell. Always copy Desantis…abbot has learned.

I can't stand Trump anymore, but I'd still vote for him against ANY living democrat. I'd vote for a fuggin chimp over a democrat though so it's not saying much.

Big fan of both. Would be shocked if Trump is not the nominee. This is what he does. Slays the power-weights.

Desantis If it appears he is going to lose needs to pull back and wait for the perfect opportunity. He will be a great president.

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The working class doesn't care about Florida's GDP year over year numbers. Nor does it care about Florida's school programs or Florida laws. They don't spend hours reading and searching out alternative news. Nor do they listen to Shapiro or other similar podcasts. It sucks. It would be great if people had sufficient time and desire to inform themselves and make logically the right choices. That isn't reality.

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So the working class vote needs Trump to trash Rihanna to get them fired up to get out the vote?

No. They don't. MAGA worked. Build the wall worked. America First worked.

No need to personalize attacks. Stupid. Terrible Trump.

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Trump can't be an outsider and play nice all the time. It is the fact that he plays mean that makes him an outsider. You are wanting Trump to rebrand as something he's not, a polished politician. When his support is because he isn't that very thing.

It is the logical equivalent of the king handing David his sword and saying here use this to beat Goliath. David of course said no I have my own way of doing it. Obviously the sling shot gave David an advantage over a superior short range fighter. Sometimes the best path isn't the noblest.

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Trump is raising money to harvest votes in critical areas of swing states. That is a big deal.

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The fact that you believe this is troubling. I say this as a two time, incredibly enthusiastic Trump voter. Trump is telling you he is raising money to harvest votes in swing States. Just like he told you he was raising money to stop the steal. To harvest votes in Georgia for Herschel. To harvest votes in PA for Oz. To harvest votes in AZ for Masters and Lake.

He spent less than 1% of money raised on those specific initiatives.

He is raising money to campaign, perpetually, until his death. He is going to be the personal grievance candidate in '24 and possibly '28. He'll endorse people in '26 & '30 while raising money and holding rallies.

He was a great president, but he can't build a coalition to win, much less govern, ever again. It's over. Best move on or you will be a grievance queen for the next decade, just like him.

The sooner you realize Trump is now the White version of Al Sharpton, representing the uneducated white male, the better off you will be.

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The sooner you realize Trump is now the White version of Al Sharpton, representing the uneducated white male, the better off you will be.

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Do you consider Hispanics to be white? Also uneducated in today's modern world is misleading. Id take the intellectual skills of a welder, plumber, hvac over a generic college major.

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After the SOTU, it's obvious the Dems are ridin with Biden. Therefore…..

Independents will crave competent leadership. DeSantis will get 90 million votes. Are they going to be able to create that many millions of votes in three States? Penn Wisc Mich

DeSantis wins Arizona, NC, Georgia, and possibly Virginia.

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With the border open for another 1.5 years…..they'll have multiple million more names to try and mail ballots to.

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The working class doesn't care about Florida's GDP year over year numbers. Nor does it care about Florida's school programs or Florida laws. They don't spend hours reading and searching out alternative news. Nor do they listen to Shapiro or other similar podcasts. It sucks. It would be great if people had sufficient time and desire to inform themselves and make logically the right choices. That isn't reality.

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So the working class vote needs Trump to trash Rihanna to get them fired up to get out the vote?

No. They don't. MAGA worked. Build the wall worked. America First worked.

No need to personalize attacks. Stupid. Terrible Trump.

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Trump can't be an outsider and play nice all the time. It is the fact that he plays mean that makes him an outsider. You are wanting Trump to rebrand as something he's not, a polished politician. When his support is because he isn't that very thing.

It is the logical equivalent of the king handing David his sword and saying here use this to beat Goliath. David of course said no I have my own way of doing it. Obviously the sling shot gave David an advantage over a superior short range fighter. Sometimes the best path isn't the noblest.

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How in the blue **** is Trump an outsider? He hasn't been an outsider since his dad bequeathed $200mm to him. For the longest, he was on the inside but on the pay to play side. Now, he's been the mother****ing President, the antithesis of outsider.

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There is no chance that:
1.) Trump will win the White House again
2.) Biden will ever debate against DeSantis in 2024

There is a remote chance:
1.) Biden runs again in 2024
2.) DeSantis doesn't run in 2024

There is a great chance:
1.) Trump screws up everything for DeSantis and the GOP
2.) Gavin Newsom runs as the Dems candidate

There is 100% chance:
1.) Dems control over elections hasn't changed and cannot be altered
2.) A Dem will be in the White House for 2025
3.) USA is fooked...national debt keeps going up...freedom keeps dropping

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I was with you until you said 100% a Dem wins the White House.

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I dont believe that a GOP candidate can be inaugurated again UNTIL I see it actually happen...