You ever had surgery…..they gave you fentanyl.

Wesley Hunt on wanting to stop fentanyl from crossing the border doesn't make him a racist:

Black Congressman SNAPS Adam Schiff like a pencil after he smears him as RACIST for wanting border security pic.twitter.com/GIu9NEpUv8

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) February 2, 2023

Horse with No Name said:

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SWCBonfire said:

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Caveat: I hate drugs and what they do to people, and how they empower and finance organized crime. I also hate the dubious means of controlling it attempted by government.

That said, it would be well within the M.O. of our letter agencies that El Chapo would once again be allowed to tunnel out of jail with the understanding that the flow of fentanyl and human trafficking stops, now. I get being principled, but in the real world that's probably the fastest solution to several problems, and will stop a lot of senseless deaths in the long run. Short run, not so much.

Maybe someone on here can point out the flaws in this "event". Certainly some violence in Mexico as power levels readjust.

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This might work in movie, but what would Chapo rule over if he didn't have drugs and trafficking? That's the only reason he has any money or power. He's not just going to say, "ah shucks, I'm so happy to be free that I'll be the new enforcer for you!"

Now, maybe if the US gov paid so well that he made more money being the enforcer, but I don't know how big that number is...

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Yeah, making hand shake deals with El Chapo doesn't sound like solid foreign policy. I'm thinking El Chapo looks out for El Chapo and his familia.

newbie11 said:

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Ok. As a retired anesthesiologist, I can tell you that fentanyl is an amazing drug and a terrible drug. It has a wonderful profile, pharmacologically. Is Dosed in microgram doses rather than milligrams like morphine or Demerol. It is very stable on your body's physiologics such as Bp, hr, etc. It was very widely used for cardiac cases because of this quality where you don't want big changes in hr, bp, etc. It's excellent at blunting the response to painful stimulation. Way way better than morphine or Demerol.

Here's the downside….it's highly addictive. I knew one of the early investigators into the drug and He considered at the end of his career that allowing fentanyl to get approved for use was one of the Biggest mistakes he made in his very distinguished career. It was humbling to hear him speak about it.

People who take fentanyl rapidly require higher and higher doses to achieve the same effects. Respiratory depression is very common but again, as you use the drug recreationally, you develop tolerance to that as well.

Many anesthesiologists have overdosed and died due to fentanyl. Many. It is probably the number one abused drug by my specialty except for maybe alcohol recreationally.

So…because it's microgram dosed….the concentration in powder form is phenomenal. That's why you see stories of first responders or police officers inhaling the drug in powder form during raids and dying or arresting. It is delivered nasally by anesthesiologists as well. It's easily absorbed and fast acting.

My advice…..don't ever take drugs. Not ever. Don't ever take elicit substances because they might be laced. Just remember…1 gram of fentanyl….1/28th of an ounce is easily powerful enough to kill you. Respiratory depression is main cause.

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LEOs overdosing on fentanyl from incidental exposure during raids and traffic stops is a myth. Almost every single one of these episodes reported on by the media has all the telltale signs of a panic attack (dizziness, paresthesias, hyperventilation, chest pain, shortness of breath, etc.) or a simple syncopal episode. Symptoms that are inconsistent with an opioid overdose.

I actually can't find a single confirmed case of death related to incidental fentanyl exposure by an LEO on the job.

Brittmoore Car Club said:

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They gave me fentanyl before my hand surgery shortly before I faded into darkness a few months ago. It has legit medical uses.

I just think there are varying concentrations in the powder form making it into this country and you are exclusively relying on cartel and street scientists to get the formulas correct when cutting your dope. These are illiterate, uneducated, fatherless derelicts we are talking. And your life is in their hands.

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uh, not my life my friend..

Aggie95 said:

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dumb question:
You hear of people hooked on Fentanyl sometimes in conjunction with Meth. Yet, we hear that a lethal dose of Fentanyl could be the size of a grain or two of salt. How do those 2 coincide? How would one take Fentanyl on a "regular" basis without killing themselves with an overdose?

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My nephew and two of his friends died in a six month period. All 3 thought they were taking Vicodin but they were counterfeit pills laced with Fentanyl.

None of them probably wanted the Fentanyl but got it anyway. Cheaper for the pill maker than using the actual opiate they were hooked on.

It is my understanding very few drug addicts are seeking out Fentanyl but the suppliers like it since a little goes a long way. Easier to smuggle too since a tiny amount can be diluted to supply so many users.

i think i read that you could dose the entire population of the US with a container the size of a briefcase of fentanyl.

Tailgate88 said:

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I heard the other day that the majority of Fentanyl is being imported by the cartels who are getting from the CCP. The problem is they aren't always identifying it as Fentanyl, so people are taking a pill thinking it's adderall or oxy or some other popular drug and then boom - dead right there of Fentanyl OD.

We ought to tell the Mexicans - we're going to take care of your cartel problem for you. Drone baby drone!

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Spoke to a cop who was saying that all the drugs they are confiscating right now are just Fentanyl and not what the dealers say they are (Oxy, meth, x, etc)

Also they are made in pill presses with no quality control with something akin to cake batter.

So one pill may have 1 grain of fentanyl, 1 may have none and one may have 12.

You get unlucky and get the heavy dose you die.

They said they use their narcan almost daily

This stuff is straight poison and the Biden administration should be in jail for life or longer for letting it on our streets through the open border

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aggiez03 said:

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Two or so years ago, Sam Ehlinger's little brother, linebacker at t.u, died in his bed from a Fentanyl OD, that was laced in his X or Adderall that he thought was just a party drug.

Fentanyl is cheap comparative to other drugs, so it make its way into lots of drugs. Big high for small cost so dealers add it.

Additionally, it is not like the guys making it are scrubbing their equipment between batches, like Walter White and Jesse did, so I am sure there is all sorts of cross contamination as well.

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Fentanyl is smuggled in a highly concentrated form and must be diluted (cut) before anyone can use it. The pharma manufacturers have blending equipment and take the time to assure a homogenous blend plus they QC the hell out of it before they ship. The cartels have a vato shaking it around in a coffee can with God knows what to cut it with and a uniform blend is unlikely. You're going to have low concentrations and hot doses with poor labeling if there's any communication of the concentrations at all. Low doses make for unhappy clients. Hot doses make for corpses.

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Everything I've read recently suggests the Chinese are now just sending the necessary ingredients and the Mexicans have taken over the majority of making the fentanyl.

However, I could be wrong, but it would make some sense.

Being in discipline in high school, it's 100% astounding how little these young people know about fentanyl. Most of the kids I see, since it's discipline, either use weed regularly, or branch out (so to speak) into other drugs.

I've finally gotten through to some of them by showing them 3 different pics of lethal doses of fentanyl. Most of these dodos never think about zanax, percocet, oxycontin, etc. being laced with fentanyl. I've finally gotten through to most of them that the next time they take a pill from something other than a pharmacy, they can be dead in about 15 minutes. The pictures are the only thing I've ever seen that makes any difference to them. The cartels lace the drugs with it just to further the chance they might be getting the user addicted. They give two ****s if the user dies.

You go to sleep, then stop breathing. That's it.

BTW, newbie, one of my best buddies is a gas-passer at Baylor in Dallas, class of '84.

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Small world. I was class of '85.

I was given a dose of dilaudid Thursday night at the ER. I can absolutely understand why someone gets addicted to those types of drugs.

With all due respect to natural child birth and passing kidney stones, I went from a 9/10 pain scale to a 0 in seconds.

Whether it's cut into other drugs, inconsistent potency mixed upon production, or just misidentified, this stuff has absolutely made drug use more of a game of Russian roulette than it ever was.

Anyone taking any drugs whatsoever that you can't 100% confirm the source of is a dumbass.

It's just not worth it.

Talked to a police chief recently.

Subject of Fentanyl came up and I asked about the risk of officers handling fentanyl and the sporadic reports of fentanyl being absorbed through the skin causing officers to OD.

The chief said that fentanyl OD as a result of skin contact is a myth and an urban legend.

Says it gets reported all the time but an OD through skin contact is not a risk to law enforcement.

What is the truth of this matter?

I have another fentanyl question. Why can't it be used to execute prisoners sentenced to death?

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Talked to a police chief recently.

Subject of Fentanyl came up and I asked about the risk of officers handling fentanyl and the sporadic reports of fentanyl being absorbed through the skin causing officers to OD.

The chief said that fentanyl OD as a result of skin contact is a myth and an urban legend.

Says it gets reported all the time but an OD through skin contact is not a risk to law enforcement.

What is the truth of this matter?

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Unless you have open wounds, or have covered yourself in MDMA or something else to increase absorption, you could literally immerse yourself in a bathtub full of fentanyl powder for hours and not get enough to get high, let alone OD.