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This is a big reality shift away from a common assumption and a popular political narrative that was heavily used in the last election cycle. Unsuccessfully, I might add. Maybe this is why.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

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Takeaways

• The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.
• Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.
• Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
• If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.
• Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

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In this study, we collected homicide data from 2000 through 2020 for all 50 states from the Center of Disease Control Wonder's National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data. Data is based on death certificates collected by state registries and provided to the National Vital Statistics System. We chose CDC data over FBI data because it's more up to date and does not rely on voluntary reporting from counties and states. All states are required to report mortality data to the CDC; they're only encouraged to report crime data to the FBI. The United States Department of Justice has acknowledged that CDC data is more accurate. (There were four states with several years of missing dataNew Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. In these instances, we relied on FBI numbers from the Uniform Crime Statistics.)1 To allow for comparison, we calculated the state's per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 state split.

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You're dumb if you believe this is a reflection on Republicans.

Manhattan said:

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Lack of access to healthcare and decent education are heavily correlated to poverty and bad outcomes.

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Both stalwarts of democrat leadership.

States have absolute control over cities.

Manhattan said:

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Yes, blame the black people and not the fact that segregation "ended" while my parents were in elementary school, and red states still have laws and policies ensuring their residents stay in poverty and make it harder to get out.

Look at the education and healthcare systems in most red states and ask why this is happening.

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What laws? And be specific to the state and law.

So for the study to reach their proposed conclusion they had to remove Blue Democrat run cities from BOTH Red and Blue states to say the Red states still had higher homicide rates?

They could do a lot to cleanup their cities but without the ability to write state laws and decide how much to tax and spend they can't do *****

Manhattan said:

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States have absolute control over cities.

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Can those states control the number of blacks living there? If Vermont suddenly became 80% black, it would become the most violent state in the union.

You mean the murder rate isn't high in Vermont or the Hamptons? Who'd of thunk it.

Makes you wonder why they are so committed to not letting migrant busses in.......

etxag02 said:

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This is a big reality shift away from a common assumption and a popular political narrative that was heavily used in the last election cycle. Unsuccessfully, I might add.

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Before the 2020 election it was shown that republicans and their "party of law and order" was a sham. Massive rioting, property destruction and murders. Even had some parts of the US break away from the US. Nothing anywhere close to what needed to be done was done about any of it.

When Republicans want to stand back and point at the terrorist democrats and say "look at how democrats behave", people are mostly wondering what the party of law and order is going to do about it.

Blame the party NOT in control.

Adults don't do that.

Tom_Fox said:

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Manhattan said:

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States have absolute control over cities.

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Can those states control the number of blacks living there? If Vermont suddenly became 80% black, it would become the most violent state in the union.

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If it had a history of slave ownership, Jim Crow, segregation and institutional racism, maybe. If you dropped a bunch of black people there now it would be fine.

Oh, there will be no deeper digging. All that's required is the surface stats to get idiots all worked up to vote for Dems. There is no logical, deep thinking involved with libs ever.

Houston DFW and SA haven't defunded the police. State bail laws say you have to let people out.

Manhattan said:

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Tom_Fox said:

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Manhattan said:

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States have absolute control over cities.

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Can those states control the number of blacks living there? If Vermont suddenly became 80% black, it would become the most violent state in the union.

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If it had a history of slave ownership, Jim Crow, segregation and institutional racism, maybe. If you dropped a bunch of black people there now it would be fine.

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Tell that to Chicago. Lots of slave ownership there, huh?

etxag02 said:

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This is a big reality shift away from a common assumption and a popular political narrative that was heavily used in the last election cycle. Unsuccessfully, I might add. Maybe this is why.
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

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Takeaways

• The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in every year from 2000 to 2020.
• Over this 21-year span, this Red State murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020.
• Altogether, the per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State murder rate when all 21 years were combined.
• If Blue State murder rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.
• Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed.

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In this study, we collected homicide data from 2000 through 2020 for all 50 states from the Center of Disease Control Wonder's National Center for Health Statistics Mortality Data. Data is based on death certificates collected by state registries and provided to the National Vital Statistics System. We chose CDC data over FBI data because it's more up to date and does not rely on voluntary reporting from counties and states. All states are required to report mortality data to the CDC; they're only encouraged to report crime data to the FBI. The United States Department of Justice has acknowledged that CDC data is more accurate. (There were four states with several years of missing dataNew Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. In these instances, we relied on FBI numbers from the Uniform Crime Statistics.)1 To allow for comparison, we calculated the state's per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 state split.

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The study is conflating a 21 year crime trend to a single presidential election.

There is no need to look further.

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Ummmm no. The south isn't nearly as racists as the NE and left coast.

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Which, coincidentally, are quite blue.

Outside of 2020 the Chicago murder rate is comparable to the entire state of MS.

Manhattan said:

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11 states haven't adopted Medicaid expansion and 4 out of the top 10 murder states are included in that number.

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Back up. Own your post smearing the state of Mississippi that is all attributable to the cesspool of Jackson and the cesspool status is attributable to the leadership of the self-decribed "most radical" (pronounced "Marxist") mayor in the nation, Chokwe Atar Lumumba. Behold his awesomeness.

https://dailycaller.com/2022/08/31/jackson-mississippi-chokwe-lumumba-water/

He's not alone. Radical Democrat (also pronounced "Marxist") mayors around the country have similar records on crime, poverty, and economic decay. That's the real explanation for crime rates in major population centers around the country.

FYI - you were owned on this thread, bigly.

Democrat policy is the evil:
https://www.kwtx.com/2022/12/12/austin-teen-charged-citys-67th-murder/

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/austin-pd-investigating-woman-dead-vehicle-friday-night/269-36d05b9f-3014-4cf1-882b-21c81e0f61b6

Manhattan said:

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They could do a lot to cleanup their cities but without the ability to write state laws and decide how much to tax and spend they can't do *****

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Do what?

I can't even....

TRADUCTOR said:

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Democrat policy is the evil:
https://www.kwtx.com/2022/12/12/austin-teen-charged-citys-67th-murder/

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/austin-pd-investigating-woman-dead-vehicle-friday-night/269-36d05b9f-3014-4cf1-882b-21c81e0f61b6

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Tom_Fox said:

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My almost 27 years in the criminal Justice system teaches me otherwise. I've been a local Leo, a fed, a prosecutor, and now a defense attorney.

If you mean Africans, maybe. But not American blacks. This is a cultural problem that cannot be fixed without eliminating the cultural rot causing it.

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I work with Africans in O&G and they are smart, humble, aggressive, and have a work ethic that puts many to shame.

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Manhattan said:

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11 states haven't adopted Medicaid expansion and 4 out of the top 10 murder states are included in that number.

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Back up. Own your post smearing the state of Mississippi

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I didn't smear Mississippi, it smeared itself, it is a piece of **** state.

Worst murder rate, second lowest life expectancy, worst infant mortality rate, worst education…

Whoa whoa there Manhattan!

You don't get to try and pretend that you didn't say blue cities have zero agency and therefore zero accountability

Time to retract and admit you are wrong

Maroon Dawn said:

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Manhattan said:

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Yes, blame the black people and not the fact that segregation "ended" while my parents were in elementary school, and red states still have laws and policies ensuring their residents stay in poverty and make it harder to get out.

Look at the education and healthcare systems in most red states and ask why this is happening.

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Yes let's do this

Let's do this by acknowledging which party has had near ABSOLUTE CONTROL over the black community for the better part of a century now and ask why none of their promised uplifting has ever happened

Let's do that

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James Clapper would call this "the head shot".

Just when I thought liberals couldn't be any dumber..

The Republican Party, they control the states, they control the laws, they have horrific outcomes.