Why anyone still trusts the cdc after this scamdemic is comically irrational. What has the cdc or this government done to garner the public's trust?
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Hideyowives said:
Why anyone still trusts the cdc after this scamdemic is comically irrational. What has the cdc or this government done to garner the public's trust?
And they keep lying and pushing a bad vaccine that's killing people.
I gave up because I'm not gonna fight your god. Any data that isn't to your liking or from the people republic of Amerika's government you dismiss out of hand.
Explain excess deaths Dr.
Explain excess deaths Dr.
yeah the biggest problem with the discussions here is that once you drop into a two-party binary framework you end up exactly in the trap you're describing. it's dumb.
it is of course possible for something like you describe to happen - whatever caused the rise can go away, and this be masked by a new variable.
what's useless is reporting every young person death and implying they're caused by the vaccine. its base rate fallacy - if we had a time machine back to 2019 and had the same mindset now, you should expect one a day. now people see one a day and you have people incredulous that this ever happened before. something like "i didn't know about it then so it couldn't have happened."
it is of course possible for something like you describe to happen - whatever caused the rise can go away, and this be masked by a new variable.
what's useless is reporting every young person death and implying they're caused by the vaccine. its base rate fallacy - if we had a time machine back to 2019 and had the same mindset now, you should expect one a day. now people see one a day and you have people incredulous that this ever happened before. something like "i didn't know about it then so it couldn't have happened."
Whistle Pig said:Quote:
What about excess deaths? That has happened. What's your excuse there?
Yes excess deaths increased during the pandemic. What is your question exactly?
Why are there still excess deaths today? Around the world?
Whistle Pig said:Rodney Ruxin said:Whistle Pig said:Quote:
I don't think anyone here is saying that a rise in heart issues is *only* due to the vaccine...
I hope not, that would be foolish. There has been no rise in heart issues since vaccines became available. There's been a plateau and decline.
You calling anything "foolish"..... my God man. You've been all surface and no substance this entire thread.
It would be foolish to keep insisting that cardiac related deaths increased after vaccines became available after being irrefutable shown that is not the case. Yet you're still doing it.
No, I'm not. You clearly have trouble keeping up with who you are replying to.
If this whole deal was really about safety, the therapeutic would've been pulled already due to injuries. Why haven't they pulled the jab?
The lib preaching is getting hilarious. Preach on - vax on!
Rockdoc said:
The lib preaching is getting hilarious. Preach on - vax on!
Gotta evangelize to the unwashed masses
you really only have a couple of options.
- you are right and there is a massive evil conspiracy hellbent on <<some outcome>> regardless of the human cost
or
- you are wrong and they haven't pulled the vaccine because it's not as dangerous as you think
- you are right and there is a massive evil conspiracy hellbent on <<some outcome>> regardless of the human cost
or
- you are wrong and they haven't pulled the vaccine because it's not as dangerous as you think
The concerning thing is is that there is plenty of evidence, current and historical, that this is a very real possibility. I think Castro was a self proclaimed "Democratic Humanitarian." He sold much of his citizens on the merits of personal sacrifice for the common good. Next thing you know your eating a street cat as you slowly starve to death because you didn't vote correctly and lost your job...Zobel said:
- you are right and there is a massive evil conspiracy hellbent on <<some outcome>> regardless of the human cost
Class of '00
Gig 'em!
Gig 'em!
Zobel said:
you really only have a couple of options.
- you are right and there is a massive evil conspiracy hellbent on <<some outcome>> regardless of the human cost
or
- you are wrong and they haven't pulled the vaccine because it's not as dangerous as you think
Since we are post 2020, option A is more likely than B.
Zobel said:
you really only have a couple of options.
- you are right and there is a massive evil conspiracy hellbent on <<some outcome>> regardless of the human cost
or
- you are wrong and they haven't pulled the vaccine because it's not as dangerous as you think
Look what the whole world did in response to an illness that
is ballpark to the common cold level threat unless you're old or obese.
So yes, I believe the nefarious option is more likely.
the problem with that mindset is that you no longer have a common means of arriving at anything like agreement.
it is no longer based on finding an anomaly or perplexing flaw in a narrative - like someone saying there was a problem with bullet angles in the kennedy assassination, or that jet fuel can't melt steel. if you can explain those flaws, the narrative reasserts itself as true, and any need for conspiracy vanishes.
if a conspiracy itself is the object in sight, then one flaw or another doesn't prove or disprove the conspiracy. if we already know that there is a massive evil conspiracy trying to do <<some outcome>> and these vaccines are just the latest piece in their diabolical plan, not only will addressing potential issues bounce off - "lol get jabbed lord fauci worshipping lib" - but there's a built-in resistance to evaluating those flaws to begin with. "we know we can't trust the swamp and they support the jab" etc.
it is no longer based on finding an anomaly or perplexing flaw in a narrative - like someone saying there was a problem with bullet angles in the kennedy assassination, or that jet fuel can't melt steel. if you can explain those flaws, the narrative reasserts itself as true, and any need for conspiracy vanishes.
if a conspiracy itself is the object in sight, then one flaw or another doesn't prove or disprove the conspiracy. if we already know that there is a massive evil conspiracy trying to do <<some outcome>> and these vaccines are just the latest piece in their diabolical plan, not only will addressing potential issues bounce off - "lol get jabbed lord fauci worshipping lib" - but there's a built-in resistance to evaluating those flaws to begin with. "we know we can't trust the swamp and they support the jab" etc.
Why do so many repeatedly take a damn victory lap for not taking the vaccine? I mean, I agree that it should never have been forced on people and everyone should have and make their own choice. That being said, isn't giving people a hard time over taking it basically the same thing as those *****ing about the people who don't?AnScAggie said:Pure blood family FTW.AgResearch said:
Pure blood kids FTW!
Everyone should do what they believe is best for them and leave the other side the hell alone. It's ridiculous really.
When every conspiracy theory around this illness was found out to be fact, it's hard to then turn around and trust the government that said you were a conspiracy theorist for not believing the narrative they pushed.
So probably won't find much common ground with those folks. Like when you quote your cdc or whatever other government agency, I just assume my government is lying to me. So yes, probably won't find common ground with those who trust the government.
So probably won't find much common ground with those folks. Like when you quote your cdc or whatever other government agency, I just assume my government is lying to me. So yes, probably won't find common ground with those who trust the government.
It's an I told you so to the jab evangelizers.
Q all over again.
Whistle Pig said:
The CDC doesn't actually gather those numbers. They just aggregate reports from 3,200 counties.
You should learn how anything works before convincing yourself the world is a hellhole full of demons out to get you.
Are counties governments? Then yeah, they're probably lying. News flash, the world is full of demons trying to get every last one of us.
Zobel said:
Q all over again.
Vax preachers
Zobel said:
Q all over again.
As someone who doesn't subscribe to Q, keep reaching.
When you can't convince those with your government sponsored talking points, we must be Q weirdos right? Couldn't be difference of opinion? You know like in the good old days.
Now it's conform or be ostracized. Modern day colonialism from those who denounce it.
Now it's conform or be ostracized. Modern day colonialism from those who denounce it.
at what point has anyone appealed to the government in this discussion? what's bizarre is referring to things as "government sponsored talking points." you cede way to much power to them by doing this.
i didn't say you subscribed to Q - but it's the same type of conspiratorial thinking. if you really believe that it's more likely that there is a massive evil conspiracy that's willing to kill millions (and preferentially target liberals who are presumably their own kind, bizarrely enough) than it is that your ability to read and interpret medical literature is imperfect, then there's no point in discussing anything. we're at an impasse.
anything presented that is contrary to your prior assumption will be dismissed as lying or fraudulent. at that point you're on a choose your own facts adventure. no common ground to be had. so, let's leave it at that.
i didn't say you subscribed to Q - but it's the same type of conspiratorial thinking. if you really believe that it's more likely that there is a massive evil conspiracy that's willing to kill millions (and preferentially target liberals who are presumably their own kind, bizarrely enough) than it is that your ability to read and interpret medical literature is imperfect, then there's no point in discussing anything. we're at an impasse.
anything presented that is contrary to your prior assumption will be dismissed as lying or fraudulent. at that point you're on a choose your own facts adventure. no common ground to be had. so, let's leave it at that.
Hideyowives said:
When you can't convince those with your government sponsored talking points, we must be Q weirdos right? Couldn't be difference of opinion? You know like in the good old days.
Now it's conform or be ostracized. Modern day colonialism from those who denounce it.
If you don't agree with them, they label you and then they just go on posting marathons until you just tire of it and give them the last post.
Not trusting the government is conspiratorial thinking? The whole point of our foundation as a country is because we couldn't trust the government we had.
Being skeptical of your government is just good common practice. When they outright lie to you, it's best not to trust them again.
Being skeptical of your government is just good common practice. When they outright lie to you, it's best not to trust them again.
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Being skeptical of your government is just good common practice
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Like when you quote your cdc or whatever other government agency, I just assume my government is lying to me.
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Since we are post 2020, option A [massive evil conspiracy] is more likely than B [vaccine not as dangerous as you think]
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Are counties governments? Then yeah, they're probably lying. News flash, the world is full of demons trying to get every last one of us.
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You pulled my quotes saying that I don't trust the government. That's not a gotchya, that's my position.
When it comes to government,it's not a R or D thing. I don't trust either party. Haven't for over a decade and a half. We have so called conservatives calling actual conservatives domestic terrorists. We have a Weekend at Bernie's as President, and Cheeto Jesus was the President before Bernie.
What has this country done in the past century that gives you hope for the future? Everything they've done is to line their own pockets at the expense of others labor.
Modern day colonizers the whole lot of them.
What has this country done in the past century that gives you hope for the future? Everything they've done is to line their own pockets at the expense of others labor.
Modern day colonizers the whole lot of them.
Totally understand that and actually agree. But to ignore all the signs seems even more dangerous to me.Zobel said:
the problem with that mindset is that you no longer have a common means of arriving at anything like agreement.
it is no longer based on finding an anomaly or perplexing flaw in a narrative - like someone saying there was a problem with bullet angles in the kennedy assassination, or that jet fuel can't melt steel. if you can explain those flaws, the narrative reasserts itself as true, and any need for conspiracy vanishes.
if a conspiracy itself is the object in sight, then one flaw or another doesn't prove or disprove the conspiracy. if we already know that there is a massive evil conspiracy trying to do <<some outcome>> and these vaccines are just the latest piece in their diabolical plan, not only will addressing potential issues bounce off - "lol get jabbed lord fauci worshipping lib" - but there's a built-in resistance to evaluating those flaws to begin with. "we know we can't trust the swamp and they support the jab" etc.
Political pandering from the beginning.
Instilling fear using fraudulent data from the beginning (death counts, how it was spread, R0 values, etc..)
Lockdown methods inconsistent with science (for control only)
Masking guidelines nothing to do with science (for control/compliance)
Senators/governors setting lockdown policy, then blatantly ignoring it
Forced vaccinations (all you have to do to stay in the military, go to college, keep your job, is get vaccinated - totalitarianism - You wont lose your job, just do exactly what we say)
Shut down schools, allow riots
Shut down beaches and national parks, but riot and tear down statues of past leaders.
Force you to shut down your business, then offer you low interest government loans to stay open
Fund this by printing money and push for more government services to distribute your money back to you
Not to mention other proven therapeutics that were demonized because they couldn't make pharma and Fauci any money. All about control. Control = cash.
I mean, I could go on and on. It's like they're running a playbook script for installing the financial side of communism, or, as the cool kids call it, socialism. People are STILL getting paid not to work.
I've already showed direct lies that Biden and CDC director spewed on live tv about the hospitalization rate.
The financial benefits to Fauci for slinging the vaccine.
Honestly, this is a completely different discussion for another thread... I'm just throwing things out there at this point.
My desire is for the vaccine to be super safe and rid the world of covid. I would love it if our government and medical community as whole had been honest about this entire thing from the start. But that's not the case. I simply asked why.
To your point above, again, I agree. But the reason that divide is present is not on me. It's on the Fauci's, the Trumps, The Bidens, the politicians, the lying doctors, the media, etc...
Class of '00
Gig 'em!
Gig 'em!
Whistle Pig said:
You don't have to "trust the government". To fake the reported data, hundreds of thousands of people would need to be involved, including your friends and neighbors, across 3,200 jurisdictions, often acting against their own interests.
You don't have to "trust" anything. You just have to live in reality and have a basic clue how things work.
Preach on preacher man! Testify! We must claim this soul for the King!
Whistle Pig said:Quote:
Because of the such low morality rate of the virus, if the vaccine even causes one cardiac death its NOT WORTH IT.
For every death its also causing tons of heart damage in people who don't die right away.
Read the chart. How hard can this be?
The increase was in 2020 and likely due to covid, not vaccines.
Covid wasn't causing sudden cardiac deaths, especially in young people. Young people, for the most part, didn't even get covid.
Regardless of what the increase was due to, your "leveling off" rationalization is pure stupidity. The "level" you speak of is 25% higher than what it was pre-covid. It doesn't matter whether its one or a hundred thousand. That's why we're talking about percentages. You want to try and paint the picture that it is back to normal when you know it isn't.
What if we're talking about YOU or a family member? Then its no longer one out of a few million as you so conveniently dismiss.
I have no idea why you're trying to hard to sweep this away. Its one thing to point out facts, but what the hell are you so afraid of finding out?