Hell, anyone skeptical of government is now labeled as Q. They used to be referred to as liberals. How far we've fallen as a nation.

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Hell, anyone skeptical of government is now labeled as Q. They used to be referred to as liberals. How far we've fallen as a nation.

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To be fair, I think anyone supporting this stuff is simply a religious zealot. The covidians, in general - not all of them, typically follow other leftist dogmatic ideologies as well. They have their religious leaders, Fauci, Biden, Pelosi, pick a celebrity. They have their saints: George Floyd, RBG, etc. They have their creeds and their mantras: Black Lives Matter, Trust the Science, I'm with Her, Stop the Spread, etc... They have their education in place: bringing BLM, gender ideology, politics into the classrooms and libraries. The only thing really missing at this point is a central god head. Right now "science" serves that roll, but that's not permanent yet. All signs are looking to the left wanting a human in that roll, not an idea. They keep testing the waters.

A lot of good info out there how this covid/leftist dogma is a new and organized religion and the fastest growing in the world, though it has plateaued. Interesting stuff for those that like to study cults and mass formation and how well our government has promoted this new religion.

Edit to add: Just saw this link... this is part of it too. Every religion has their rules and guidelines. In Christianity it's based on divine influence and the actual words that God and Jesus spoke. With liberals it comes from their pastors and how they think you should be controlled. As with any mass formation or cult, one has to separate those that could follow you from those that see you for what you are and could throw a wrench into your plans for control (see every cult ever). How you do that on a nationwide scale is make it illegal to say certain things. And this coming straight from a leftist pastor.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/16/democrat-introduces-legislation-to-make-white-people-criticizing-minorities-a-federal-crime-n689270

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Lol. What am I afraid of?

One thing we know with certainty. Vaccines didn't cause the small surge in cardiac events in young people in 2020. A trend that's now reversing. What are you afraid of?

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Explain excess deaths that are still present today. Sure you got a nice sermon lined up.

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I'd like to hear about that. It wasn't long ago the saying was that deaths world wide were the same as pre COVID, and COVID was not causing anything above the norm. If it's suddenly surging, I'd like to see the numbers from the last 4 years.

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Pure blood kids FTW!

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I have some *friends whose young baby is having his 2nd open heart surgery this week. They posted yesterday looking for a few non vaccinated blood donors(no Covid or flu shots).

Is that just the parents personal preference or would Texas Children's require that? The response they got yesterday from people willing to make the 2 hour trip each way on short notice to help their baby out was pretty refreshing.

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Not the point. Do you see the squiggly lines zooming up before vaccines were available?

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You mean the squiggly line thats missing 4 months of data?

The 45 months that matter are there.

There's always a data reporting lag for recent months.

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The 45 months that matter are there.

There's always a data reporting lag for recent months.

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So the op article happened in January 2023 yet your data ends in Sept of 2022. Makes sense.

Not taking sides here on this but it astonishes me nobody every actually ask this in these threads:

How does anyone know whether he had a COVID vaccine at all?

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The 45 months that matter are there.

There's always a data reporting lag for recent months.

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So the op article happened in January 2023 yet your data ends in Sept of 2022. Makes sense.

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It's using trailing data, that why. But that's not the problem with the graph. It's one representation of one study interpreting data a certain way. And this from the cdc with massive massive incentive for there to be no major side effects from this vaccine. It's the equivalent to a police department doing an internal investigation of some wrong doing within the police department.

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Hideyowives said:

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Lol. What am I afraid of?

One thing we know with certainty. Vaccines didn't cause the small surge in cardiac events in young people in 2020. A trend that's now reversing. What are you afraid of?

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Explain excess deaths that are still present today. Sure you got a nice sermon lined up.

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I'd like to hear about that. It wasn't long ago the saying was that deaths world wide were the same as pre COVID, and COVID was not causing anything above the norm. If it's suddenly surging, I'd like to see the numbers from the last 4 years.

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Dr John Campbell on YouTube. He's done several videos on the excess deaths the past few months. It is not down to 2019 levels. He provides all sources and they're all from YouTube approved sources.

He's an Englishman that is looking at COVID all across the world. Tracking variants and different topics related.

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I mean, this is definitely taking it to another level of tomfoolery claiming the vaccine actually reduces deaths from cardiac issues. There is literally no verifiable data that points to this at all.

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The numbers are the numbers. It's straight from the CDC. If you have better population level numbers please provide them.

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Not taking sides here on this but it astonishes me nobody every actually ask this in these threads:

How does anyone know whether he had a COVID vaccine at all?

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Dated, but. https://www.ktnv.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-required-for-in-person-college-attendance-in-nevada

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A second Las Vegas student died last week after collapsing and being found unresponsive in a school bathroom.

Jordan Brister, 18, "experienced cardiac arrest" while at Amplus Academy on Jan. 3, according to a statement from the school. Brister's parents later also confirmed his death.

The school released a statement saying that staff had "provided Jordan with emergency medical attention until paramedics arrived and transported him to Southern Hills Hospital. . . . Despite the efforts of first responders and the medical team at the hospital, Jordan passed away this past Sunday."

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https://www.foxnews.com/sports/las-vegas-student-found-unresponsive-after-attending-pe-class-police-say

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The left wont acknowledge this until they can somehow been seen to be the ones to "fix" this vaccine problem.

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Hideyowives said:

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Hell, anyone skeptical of government is now labeled as Q. They used to be referred to as liberals. How far we've fallen as a nation.

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To be fair, I think anyone supporting this stuff is simply a religious zealot. The covidians, in general - not all of them, typically follow other leftist dogmatic ideologies as well. They have their religious leaders, Fauci, Biden, Pelosi, pick a celebrity. They have their saints: George Floyd, RBG, etc. They have their creeds and their mantras: Black Lives Matter, Trust the Science, I'm with Her, Stop the Spread, etc... They have their education in place: bringing BLM, gender ideology, politics into the classrooms and libraries. The only thing really missing at this point is a central god head. Right now "science" serves that roll, but that's not permanent yet. All signs are looking to the left wanting a human in that roll, not an idea. They keep testing the waters.

A lot of good info out there how this covid/leftist dogma is a new and organized religion and the fastest growing in the world, though it has plateaued. Interesting stuff for those that like to study cults and mass formation and how well our government has promoted this new religion.

Edit to add: Just saw this link... this is part of it too. Every religion has their rules and guidelines. In Christianity it's based on divine influence and the actual words that God and Jesus spoke. With liberals it comes from their pastors and how they think you should be controlled. As with any mass formation or cult, one has to separate those that could follow you from those that see you for what you are and could throw a wrench into your plans for control (see every cult ever). How you do that on a nationwide scale is make it illegal to say certain things. And this coming straight from a leftist pastor.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/01/16/democrat-introduces-legislation-to-make-white-people-criticizing-minorities-a-federal-crime-n689270

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This is spot on. Very intelligent take!!!!

Former 'American Idol' Contestant CJ Harris Dead at 31

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CJ Harris, the former "American Idol" contestant who made it to the top 6 in 2014, has died. A family member tells us CJ suffered an apparent heart attack Sunday night in Jasper, Alabama ... he was taken to a local hospital by ambulance, but didn't make it.

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I've seen Life Insurance CEOs say All Cause Mortality is up significantly in 2022. Since they pay death claims, . this is their core business function.

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I've seen Life Insurance CEOs say All Cause Mortality is up significantly in 2022. Since they pay death claims, . this is their core business function.

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Yep, one of my best friends is a partner at one of the largest insurance companies in CO, and seeing the exact same thing. To the point where life insurance policies are about to get really pricey for even young healthy folks.

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Former 'American Idol' Contestant CJ Harris Dead at 31

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CJ Harris, the former "American Idol" contestant who made it to the top 6 in 2014, has died. A family member tells us CJ suffered an apparent heart attack Sunday night in Jasper, Alabama ... he was taken to a local hospital by ambulance, but didn't make it.

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This will play out like the global warming/ climate change debate did. Everytime you'd point out weather events, the left would reeeeeeeeeeeeee WEATHER DOES NOT EQUAL CLIMATE.

Point out coincidental young adults suffering from heart attacks and they'll deflect, pull numbers from the CDC that support their claim. Wash rinse repeat.

Why rely on population level data when feelings and anecdotes confirm your priors?

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Why rely on population level data when feelings and anecdotes confirm your priors?

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We still have excess deaths that are above 2019 levels. That's not an anecdote preacher man.

In which country and for which time frame? Has this number improved or worsened since spring 2021?

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In which country and for which time frame? Has this number improved or worsened since spring 2021?

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US, UK, Australia for starters.

Which source are you using and for which date range?

Some data from mostly white western countries, much like the US. Excess deaths over 5 year average. Why?

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/latest

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9

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Which source are you using and for which date range?

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I'll do it for you. All ages. UK and Australia. I'll let you post CDC numbers.

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Which source are you using and for which date range?

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Will the Governments of UK and Australia work for you preacher man?

Prefer to look at the US because I'm more familiar. Post a data source and let's have a look. There are multiple organizations and agencies that publish estimates.

Don't you believe all these numbers are fake, anyway?

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Prefer to look at the US because I'm more familiar. Post a data source and let's have a look.

Don't you believe all these numbers are fake, anyway?

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I posted government numbers. Take a gander. Might learn something.

Why are you posting numbers you believe to be fake? Why did you give up so easily on the "young people cardiac deaths" narrative? What about all those scary anecdotes?

The UK is showing 2022 excess mortality of about 9.5%. Causes are given in the data tables. You can get to your point now if you have one.

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I've seen Life Insurance CEOs say All Cause Mortality is up significantly in 2022. Since they pay death claims, . this is their core business function.

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Wonder how much is because some people got even fatter during covid. We are already a fat population but some fat tubs of goo decided they needed to be even fatter.

Throw in idiots shutting down gyms or requiring vaccinated status to enter a gym and we just gave lazy lard asses the excuse to put on more fat and become more disgusting.

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Why are you posting numbers you believe to be fake? Why did you give up so easily on the "young people cardiac deaths" narrative? What about all those scary anecdotes?

The UK is showing 2022 excess mortality of about 9.5%. Causes are given in the data tables. You can get to your point now if you have one.

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You love government numbers preacher man. I gave you government numbers. Deaths are higher than fiver year average. It's due to the vaccine or COVID itself. We all know it was a gain of function lab leak.

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Another graph. Lol. Go get another shot.

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Whistle Pig definitely has a folder on his desktop with all these fake graphs to make himself feel better about injecting himself with an untested therapeutic

What a sad miserable life

captkirk said:

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Former 'American Idol' Contestant CJ Harris Dead at 31

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CJ Harris, the former "American Idol" contestant who made it to the top 6 in 2014, has died. A family member tells us CJ suffered an apparent heart attack Sunday night in Jasper, Alabama ... he was taken to a local hospital by ambulance, but didn't make it.

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It's perfectly normal for otherwise healthy 30 year olds to drop dead from heart attacks by the thousands. Pay no attention to this!!!

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Rockdoc said:

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Another graph. Lol. Go get another shot.

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Whistle Pig definitely has a folder on his desktop with all these fake graphs to make himself feel better about injecting himself with an untested therapeutic

What a sad miserable life

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What's worse is that staff lets this clown continue posting here, it's a disgrace.

This is not a game, and one of these days, the people responsible for it are going to pay dearly. God please bring this to pass sooner than later. My heart breaks for this father. https://t.co/zHeeGn8XLW

— John Rich🇺🇸 (@johnrich) January 14, 2023