Would this ever be a story on any news outlet or just now since they want people freaking out? It's just a random student, not a famous athlete (of course all lives are important).

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If you have an agtag you've taken at least 15 courses of vaccinations through grade school and before college enrollment.

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That's not analogous. Those vaccines were not new technology, went through years of extensive testing, and were for conditions FAR more harmful to young people.

This is a dumb argument, even if you are pro-vaccine (which in general I am).

The polio vaccine came out in 1955 so I think you kind of have a population comparison problem there...

Nonetheless, the idea that anyone would choose polio over COVID is beyond fanciful, and you know it. Especially for a young person.

As to your heart data, not sure who you are addressing there. That doesn't relate to what I said at all.

I mean, this is definitely taking it to another level of tomfoolery claiming the vaccine actually reduces deaths from cardiac issues. There is literally no verifiable data that points to this at all. And no, I'm not buying any of the info in that chart above. The deception has been too far sweeping to really trust many of these studies you guys keep posting. I understand this makes it hard to have a real conversation about this stuff and that's as frustrating for me as it is you.

And while most of these conversations have been centered around myocarditis and strokes (and the like), as those make the most headlines and happen dramatically in front of other people, that is just a small part of the known dangers of this vaccine. You can do a quick search of vaers data and get a better picture of this, even though those numbers are known to grossly underestimate adverse reactions and there is massive censorship of the data, it gives you a better idea of the reality than most of the studies linked...

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX-COVID19&DIED=Yes

The numbers in that above info are probably 3-5 times higher (very conservatively... VERY conservatively). Vaers is good at pulling the numbers from their data base, but their incident reports have not been working properly since about October... not sure why. But the incidents were listed below due to what your search parameters were, but that's not the case any longer. So you have to read through all of them to make sure it was the Covid vaccine and not some other medication or vaccine.

Speaking of that, and the censorship I've talked about on these threads, this is a great example of some early study data of the covid vaccine. This was a study that came out with numbers that would track with the true estimated dangers of the vaccine today. How much more dangerous it was than the flu vaccine and recommending not to move forward (yet) with mass distribution. It was actually a fascinating study that explained why/how this vaccine caused so much damage. The study got some early press by MSM and they slanted it against the "Trump Vaccine" (remember when all of our Dem leaders said they'd never take it because of how dangerous it was due to being rushed to market? - This was one of the studies they were referencing to come to that conclusion). Shortly after the election the study was removed from just about everywhere. We could still access it and reference it on the way back machine until about June of '22, then it just vanished. There is another one out there with the exact same title and most of the same contributors but not even close to the same data.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210913051243/%20https://trialsitenews.com/covid-19-vaccinations-98-times-more-deadly-than-flu-vaccines-according-%20to-vaers-reports/

Another interesting paper by a team assembled by Steve Kirsch found similar data to the study above. In September of '21 they calculated over 150,000 deaths in the US alone to the vaccine and offered $1,000,000 reward for anyone who could find any errors in their calculations.

http://www.skirsch.com/covid/Vaccine.pdf

The big question is HOW they hid this info... not why. The why is the easy part. But the how is by manipulating data left and right to blame the unvaxxed for all of the issues setting up the vaccine, and those vaccinated, as the savior(s). In late August of '21, on live tv, Biden claimed that 98% of the covid hospitalizations and deaths were among the unvaccinated (citing CDC info). Walensky (CDC director) had a slip of the tongue and admitted that the CDC included mortality and hospitalization data from January through June of '21 when, of course, the vast majority of Americans were not vaccinated. Makes sense that just about all of the hospitalizations and deaths from Covid were from the unvaxxed during that time period. April of '21 only 37% had received one shot. By mid June, only 43%. I mean that's just blatant fraud using 8 month old data and pawning it off as current hospitalization rates during a time of so much fear and uncertainty. Not only was that a straight up lie, it was malicious and intentional.

There are countless, literally, other examples of how "science" and its representatives (from the CDC, to Fauci, to the president, to doctors, etc...) intentionally misled the American people, and those around the world, to fit the narrative they needed to be out there for control, financial gain, and political gain.

But yet we're supposed to trust that now they're telling us the truth about anything at all? I've had a few of you bring up occam's razor when explaining some of these athletes dropping dead. And I chuckle every time as you're essentially proving my point. The simplest explanation is likely correct.

Yeah, that and that whole little thing where polio may not kill you but can cause paralysis. That's all. Death is obviously not the only outcome. Polio clearly (can't believe this even has to be stated) had much worse long-term effects at a much, much higher rate. Just google "polio" and see the countless pictures of children in leg braces.

You really aren't going to make the argument that polio and covid are comparable.... are you?

Whistle Pig said:

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Polio killed ~2,000 people the year before the Salk vaccine, which was rolled out en masse about a year after phase 3 trials began.

Heart disease deaths in young adults are down 10% since covid vaccine release.

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Let's just ignore that in your little graphic they climbed steadily after lockdowns started, and are now going down after things fully opened back up.

They also went up sharply when we were all expecting to enjoy the summer olympics in 2020 but didn't get to. Then went down after we finally got to see the olympics in 2021. That must be it. No?


Correlation does not equal causation.

Around 0.5% of polio cases resulted in paralysis.

Okay? That's literally multitudes higher than the rate of severe COVID complications for young people.

Straight up, what was a worse thing to have as a young person, polio or COVID? Don't avoid the question. Let's see if we can remain in the realm of sanity here.

Rodney Ruxin said:

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And how many times did covid?

Straight up, what was a worse thing to have as a young person, polio or COVID? Don't avoid the question. Let's see if we can remain in the realm of sanity here.

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I don't think they're really good comparisons. I was just surprised the paralysis rate was that low.

Yeah, me too a bit. As I said, still magnitudes higher than severe complications from coivd for the young. Never mind the fact that outside paralysis, polio was clearly a bigger long-term risk than covid.

Zobel said:

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Around 0.5% of polio cases resulted in paralysis.

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That's on the high end of estimations too... more like 0.1%

Would rather have COVID than the flu, polio, HIV, measles, mumps, syphilis, migraines, back pain, paralysis, I mean you get the idea. COVID is up there with the common cold.

Pure blood family here. Take all the jabs you want, we don't want any. Especially from our trusted government and their trusted therapeutics makers.

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Rodney Ruxin said:

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And how many times did covid?

Straight up, what was a worse thing to have as a young person, polio or COVID? Don't avoid the question. Let's see if we can remain in the realm of sanity here.

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I don't think they're really good comparisons. I was just surprised the paralysis rate was that low.

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Immediate paralysis is hardly a parameter to judge polio or the effectiveness of the vaccine by. While permanent paralysis may have been 0.5%, it knocked folks on their ass for a considerable time before recovery. Paralysis decades later was also an issue. A dear family friend had it nail her 70 years later.

Whistle Pig said:

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If you have an agtag you've taken at least 15 courses of vaccinations through grade school and before college enrollment.

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Damn sure did for normal things. Used my undergrad and graduate degrees to opt out of the Covid vax.

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People now seeing a rise in otherwise healthy people keeling over

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Narrator: they aren't.

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People now seeing a rise in otherwise healthy people keeling over

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Narrator: they aren't.

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prove it.

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People now seeing a rise in otherwise healthy people keeling over

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Narrator: they aren't.

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Open your eyes.

One, you are the one with the assertion, so you have the burden of proof.

Two, there is a handy dandy graph above that shows that the rise preceded the vaccine on a 12 month rolling average basis, so I think it's pretty clear that rise wasn't related to the vaccine, unless it also time travels.

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One, you are the one with the assertion, so you have the burden of proof.

Two, there is a handy dandy graph above that shows that the rise preceded the vaccine on a 12 month rolling average basis, so I think it's pretty clear that rise wasn't related to the vaccine, unless it also time travels.

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But the fall totally was. Even though that would have been the natural occurrence as people developed immunity regardless.

See how this works guys? Correlation equals causation for one side.

I didn't say it was.

Whistle Pig said:

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Yes. Laugh cry all you want. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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This is a complete non-response. What happened to your causation vs correlation rational argument? Just banal platitudes that fall apart with the slightest resistance, as always. You gotta love the people that think they are the side of "science" that don't even understand the basics of the arguments they are putting forth.

Whistle Pig said:

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Yes. Laugh cry all you want. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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Dude, you're the last one in this thread that can speak on the merits of facts.

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Smudge said:

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Whistle Pig said:

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Yes. Laugh cry all you want. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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Dude, you're the last one in this thread that can speak on the merits of facts.

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Fact check. False.

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Well that settles it. Science!!!

Whistle Pig said:

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OP seems to be easily persuaded by feelings, anecdotes, and Facebook memes. 350 young people/year died of SCA pre covid.


https://wonder.cdc.gov/

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whoa

this os the proof that the vaccine did cause all these excess deaths

those who approved it should be held accountable

It seems to be male dominated. I can't even recall this happening to women?