1872walker said:

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Kvetch said:

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1872walker said:

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Fear of imprisonment should be a sufficient deterrent for property crimes. It's inexcusable that big cities are not enforcing laws.

However, you're ignoring the legal, monetary and emotional consequences for the shooter should they choose to use deadly force against someone who took something from them.

To clarify, this was absolutely a good shoot. There is clearly a threat to the persons in the restaurant. Keep the justification there.

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Hate to break it to you, but prison is not an adequate deterrent. I'm so sick of the bleeding hearts saying "think of the situation of the criminal!" How about you think about the victims. I care about the people who wake up in the morning and don't decide to stick a pistol in the face of others to obtain their worldly belongings.

You can mourn the loss of life while also recognizing that they were hoist upon their own petard. They chose their fate. An armed society is a polite society, and every conceivable study proves that. Let's not act like the police catch every single one of these guy.

It's quite obvious you've never been robbed.

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Separate issues. Prison not being an adequate deterrent is a failure of law enforcement and the justice system. Separate issue.

I'm not mourning a damn thing here. Look at the second post on this thread.

This scumbag decided his own fate and I won't shed a tear about him not stealing money or even oxygen from this world ever again.

This was a clear threat to life and completely justified. I was responding to a particular post and stating that risk of loss of property alone while legal is a poor choice of use of deadly force.

And yes. I have been robbed. It sucks.

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Jack Squat 83 said:

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I didn't watch the video, but did the shooter or other victims retrieve their stolen goods from the deceased?

If not and they all ran out, that's your answer on whether it's a property crime(theft) or a violent terrorizing incident, that clearly justifies the shoot.

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Police say the shooter then took the stolen money from the suspect and gave it back to the customers. He and the other patrons then left, officials say.

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MuchosPollos said:

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Why didn't he just shoot the plastic gun out of his hands?

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From the Biden Handbook of self defense:

You shoot at the leg

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wbt5845 said:

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I really don't know how Texas law addresses this. Guy is robbing a restaurant (turns out to be with a toy gun). As he's leaving, a customer blows him away and then everyone hauls ass.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/crime/taqueria-robbery-shooting-houston/285-5dceec19-9c07-444c-b211-4c584738e0fa

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A customer at Ranchito Taqueria shot and killed a man who robbed the restaurant in southwest Houston late Thursday night, according to the Houston Police Department.

Houston police said an armed man in a mask came inside the restaurant, demanding money and wallets from customers. However, as he was leaving, one of those customers shot the suspect.

None of the other people in the restaurant were injured during the incident.

Investigators said the suspect ended up not having a real gun.

"The robbery suspect he came into the store and was wearing masks and gloves," HPD Lt. Wilkens said. "He had a plastic pistol possibly an aero soft or possibly a little BB pistol."

The surveillance video shows the shooting going down. It shows customers, witnesses, and the shooter leaving the scene right after the shooting.

Houston police said they want to talk with all of them.

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Rockdoc said:

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So he wasn't threatening anyone. Are you serious? If you wait for the guy to turn around and fire a shot at you, you're probably dead. And cops shoot people with plastic guns all the time.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If the robber was shot in the back (I don't know if that was the case but hypothetically) while trying to leave the store, exiting not threatening anyone…I would expect criminal charges to be filed against the shooter. We don't need folks walking around playing Judge Dredd.

If in that same hypothetical it was a cop doing the shooting, there would be repercussions for that officer.

If the shooter was legitimately in a situation where a reasonable person would conclude his or someone else's life was in danger, then okay.

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Texas Penal Code 9.31

(a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful force.

The actor's belief that the force was immediately necessary as described by this subsection is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:

(1) Knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the force was used:

(A) Unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;

(B) Unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; Or

(C) Was committing or attempting to commit aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery;

(2) Did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and

(3) Was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If the robber was shot in the back (I don't know if that was the case but hypothetically) while trying to leave the store, exiting not threatening anyone…I would expect criminal charges to be filed against the shooter. We don't need folks walking around playing Judge Dredd.

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I am duly licensed by the state of Texas to carry a firearm. It is legal for me to do so, and the purpose is to use it if I need to. In the class they taught me that I was justified if someone pointed a gun at me or someone else.(Fake or otherwise)

This doesn't make me Judge Dredd. It makes me licensed by the government, and gives me the authority to dispense justice on active shooters, and criminals who seek to threaten the innocent. As scriptures states.

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Ro 13:3-7 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. 4 For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. 5 Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

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The criminal should fear CHL/LTC holders everywhere.

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doubledog said:

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ShotOver said:

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Not only is it ok, it's expected

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It is never OK to harm anyone... It may be necessary to defend yourself or your family.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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If the robber was shot in the back (I don't know if that was the case but hypothetically) while trying to leave the store, exiting not threatening anyone…I would expect criminal charges to be filed against the shooter. We don't need folks walking around playing Judge Dredd.

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I am duly licensed by the state of Texas to carry a firearm. It is legal for me to do so, and the purpose is to use it if I need to. In the class they taught me that I was justified if someone pointed a gun at me or someone else.(Fake or otherwise)

This doesn't make me Judge Dredd. It makes me licensed by the government, and gives me the authority to dispense justice on active shooters, and criminals who seek to threaten the innocent. As scriptures states.

The criminal should fear CHL/LTC holders everywhere.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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valtosca said:

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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1872walker said:

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Ag_of_08 said:

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Of he had just stolen from the victim, it was a good shoot btw. Reasonable belief property is being taken with no chance of recovery...

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Regardless of legality, it's a horrible idea to shoot someone who is not a threat because of theft of property. It's just stuff. Not worth it.

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