Interesting. This trend is going to vanish like a fart in the wind when these dorks get back from their gap [half decade?] and realize that they're still entry level while peers that just started work are already advancing. So they'll have a giant resume gap and enter the workforce several years behind peers.

You can just see the next round of self-absorbed whining coming: "It's not faaaaaair that Billy already has the senior analyst title and makes 40% more than me. I just wanted to take a break to find myself and roam around Western Europe writing a novel about my life experience. Why am I being punished now??? The Government has to do something for me now!"

Why not?

aTmAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

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Where do you get the notion that hunter-gathers worked 15 hours a week? Read about the lives of native Americans. Men and women worked their asses off all the time. It was an incredibly difficult life.

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No doubt it sucked compared to doing an email job and ordering DoorDash and watching Netflix in a climate controlled environment, with access to medicine and dentistry and stuff. It probably beats farming with primitive implements though.

https://www.earth.com/news/farmers-less-free-time-hunter-gatherers/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer#Common_characteristics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society#The_three_to_five_hour_work_day

I'm tired of whiny *****es constantly complaining about the boomers. The boomers are now beginning to retire and will soon be passing on the sum of their accumulated wealth to their kids. If you want to ***** about something, ***** about inheritance taxes.

The Conventional Wisdom

When Young: got the time, got the health, don't have the money
When mid-life: got the health, got the money, don't got the time
When Old: got the time, got the money, don't got the health

Fortunately have a job situation in the mid-life phase where I am in the sweet spot of having all three (health, time, and money) including a home office situation, so said f*** it...opened up travel budget - not waiting for 'retirement' phase to do what I want.

Buck Turgidson said:

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I'm tired of whiny *****es constantly complaining about the boomers. The boomers are now beginning to retire and will soon be passing on the sum of their accumulated wealth to their kids. If you want to ***** about something, ***** about inheritance taxes.

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I'm betting the majority of boomers aint leaving **** because they're broke.

It also means they're not getting married and having kids....which isn't a good thing.

The celebration of laziness.

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I for one think this is a good thing. We all have finite amount of time on earth why only explore when you're retired. Kudos to Gen Z for having the balls to get up and leave. More to life than working for somebody else's gain

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-rewriting-rulebook-jobs-resume-gaps-career-breaks-work-2023-1?amp

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Hint to OP: all wage employment benefits somebody else.

Actual Talking Thermos said:

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aTmAg said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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aTmAg said:

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

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Where do you get the notion that hunter-gathers worked 15 hours a week? Read about the lives of native Americans. Men and women worked their asses off all the time. It was an incredibly difficult life.

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No doubt it sucked compared to doing an email job and ordering DoorDash and watching Netflix in a climate controlled environment, with access to medicine and dentistry and stuff. It probably beats farming with primitive implements though.

https://www.earth.com/news/farmers-less-free-time-hunter-gatherers/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer#Common_characteristics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society#The_three_to_five_hour_work_day

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Again, read about the ACTUAL experience of native Americans. It is documented thoroughly by many (legitimate) sources. Hell there were whites that were kidnapped and adopted into native tribes that later talked at length about their experiences. The notion that they worked 15 hour weeks is total bullcrap.

And hint for you: any "research" with phrases like "unfairly impacts women" clearly has an axe to grind.

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Buck Turgidson said:

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I'm tired of whiny *****es constantly complaining about the boomers. The boomers are now beginning to retire and will soon be passing on the sum of their accumulated wealth to their kids. If you want to ***** about something, ***** about inheritance taxes.

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I'm betting the majority of boomers aint leaving **** because they're broke.

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Sounds like someone has bitter feelings towards their parents. Are they really broke or just refusing to support you in adulthood?

aTmAg said:

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Every animal in the Animal kingdom has to work to survive. Prey don't just walk up to us and say "eat me". Shelter doesn't just spontaneously build itself around us. On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

Yet today, these pansies complain that they have to work in an air conditioned Starbucks 5 hours a day? GTFOH.

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This is false. Humans have worked as little as 3 hours a day in the past.

https://bigthink.com/big-think-books/vicki-robin-joe-dominguez-your-money-or-your-life/

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I for one think this is a good thing. We all have finite amount of time on earth why only explore when you're retired. Kudos to Gen Z for having the balls to get up and leave. More to life than working for somebody else's gain

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-rewriting-rulebook-jobs-resume-gaps-career-breaks-work-2023-1?amp

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Good for them... just don't ***** if it doesn't work they way they think it will. Hopefully it does.

It terms of Life being too short to work for someone else's gain - we agree. So start you own business. If you work for someone else, then you are doing exactly that. Working for someone else. It is about choices you make. You make ****ty choices, you get ****ty results. No one's fault but the person making the choices. (in this country anyway... not necessarily true in most countries in the world.)

As long as I don't have to pay for it I don't care. I can't help think that some how I'm going to be paying for this.

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Most everyone I know in their 30s who has realized the system is rigged against the employee has started their own business or is working on it. This seems far more advantageous than taking multi year breaks that victor id celebrating.

Newsflash: we all know being an employee sucks. Do it anyway until you find something you're good at. Then figure out the steps needed to go do it for yourself. You don't need to create a billion dollar company. I know plenty of people with revenues from 500,000 to 5,000,000 that are killing it as a well rounded businessman and family man. It takes guts, but it's pretty simple if you find basic services people want.

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Do you live in Texas? If so, I have great news for you and other people who just need to be their own sole proprietor. Texas is an at-will employment state. You are free to get any job or not get any job and leave any company at any time (contractual employment excepted).

I worded Big Five, Corp America, and have started my own business. The stress and work requirements of having your own business are incredible and not for everyone. And with very rare exceptions, to grow a business to a $5MM level and beyond requires even more work.

I am reaching the point ~15 years in my journey of having my own business and have just now gotten to the point where vacations are vacations and I can spend days playing on the PS5, smoking pot and posting on TexAgs.

One of my partners in a side business is also an employee of mine for his primary job. He prefers being an employee vs running his own gig. His identical twin brother has run a separate business that used to subcontract for us and has down X multiples better financially - but at a cost of marriages and such.

Some people are built to be a team member and some are built to lead a team and some are built to play solo. It takes all of these to make commerce work.

And what the heck does "system rigged against the employees" mean?

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

For anyone who's not a biblical literalist, that's what the Garden of Eden story is pretty obviously about. Once in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates, people lived in a state of innocence and all that they needed was provided for them for the taking. Then there was a change and that time of innocence was lost. The humans who came after were farmers and keepers of livestock (see Cain and Abel). This was God's terrible curse that came with the loss of that innocence - "getting food from the ground Will be as painful as having babies is for your wife; you'll be working in pain all your life long. The ground will sprout thorns and weeds, you'll get your food the hard way, Planting and tilling and harvesting, sweating in the fields from dawn to dusk, Until you return to that ground yourself, dead and buried." And thus, there in the Fertile Crescent, civilization blossomed, supported by the brutal toil of farming and with all the complications and problems that come with it. And through the generations the story was remembered and told and eventually written.

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I'm sorry, but this is absolutely not true. The story in the garden is not saying that innovation and agriculture give rise to misery and subordinate humanity to labor. That idea is so incomprehensibly stupid and unbiblical, I don't know where to start.

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aTmAg said:

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Every animal in the Animal kingdom has to work to survive. Prey don't just walk up to us and say "eat me". Shelter doesn't just spontaneously build itself around us. On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

Yet today, these pansies complain that they have to work in an air conditioned Starbucks 5 hours a day? GTFOH.

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This is false. Humans have worked as little as 3 hours a day in the past.

https://bigthink.com/big-think-books/vicki-robin-joe-dominguez-your-money-or-your-life/

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Its interesting that this guy Darwin a 100 years ago came up with a concept called natural selection and evolution.

Animals, which humans are, evolve to make their adaptation to the environment better. Through genetic anomalies, sometimes traits are generated that cause a species to decline or go away. Others fail to develop any traits that take advantage of a changing environment. Extinction is the typical result for these anomalies.

Now the party of science and the generation of dumbarsery is coming out with claim after claim that our evolution is not making our lives better and that we must go all the way back to hunting, gathering, stone tools, and a life expectancy of 25 years old if we are to be truly evolved.

If you just take even the slightest moment to think you realized how incredibly dumb it is to mimic ancient times as progress.

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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aTmAg said:

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

For anyone who's not a biblical literalist, that's what the Garden of Eden story is pretty obviously about. Once in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates, people lived in a state of innocence and all that they needed was provided for them for the taking. Then there was a change and that time of innocence was lost. The humans who came after were farmers and keepers of livestock (see Cain and Abel). This was God's terrible curse that came with the loss of that innocence - "getting food from the ground Will be as painful as having babies is for your wife; you'll be working in pain all your life long. The ground will sprout thorns and weeds, you'll get your food the hard way, Planting and tilling and harvesting, sweating in the fields from dawn to dusk, Until you return to that ground yourself, dead and buried." And thus, there in the Fertile Crescent, civilization blossomed, supported by the brutal toil of farming and with all the complications and problems that come with it. And through the generations the story was remembered and told and eventually written.

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I'm sorry, but this is absolutely not true. The story in the garden is not saying that innovation and agriculture give rise to misery and subordinate humanity to labor. That idea is so incomprehensibly stupid and unbiblical, I don't know where to start.

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Thank you. I may need more reaffirmation from others for the foolishness in this thread.

I was thinking I ate too many gummies this afternoon. Mind.... blown.

I know. I've reread it like 5 times trying to figure out if I'm the crazy one because it's such a twisted logic and *******ization of Genesis.

Lead a large team at a Fortune 50. If you have a break in your resume, I won't waste time interviewing you, much less hiring you.

Meh, you can't be that tough. My controller I hired 10 years ago and still works with me had a gap in her career to have kids.

I would even respect a Gen Zer if they explained the gap year, how they paid for it, and what they learned.

If there answer involves finding themselves, researching careers, spending time with muh frienz, then yea they go in the bin.

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aTmAg said:

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aTmAg said:

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

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Where do you get the notion that hunter-gathers worked 15 hours a week? Read about the lives of native Americans. Men and women worked their asses off all the time. It was an incredibly difficult life.

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No doubt it sucked compared to doing an email job and ordering DoorDash and watching Netflix in a climate controlled environment, with access to medicine and dentistry and stuff. It probably beats farming with primitive implements though.

https://www.earth.com/news/farmers-less-free-time-hunter-gatherers/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter-gatherer#Common_characteristics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_affluent_society#The_three_to_five_hour_work_day

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Again, read about the ACTUAL experience of native Americans. It is documented thoroughly by many (legitimate) sources. Hell there were whites that were kidnapped and adopted into native tribes that later talked at length about their experiences. The notion that they worked 15 hour weeks is total bullcrap.

And hint for you: any "research" with phrases like "unfairly impacts women" clearly has an axe to grind.

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That was the reporter's characterization, to be fair. It just means the jump in hours spent obtaining food was greater for women making the transition from H&G to agricultural living.

And this is all research involving the actual lives of various hunter gatherer tribes, past and present, around the world.

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Buck Turgidson said:

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I'm tired of whiny *****es constantly complaining about the boomers. The boomers are now beginning to retire and will soon be passing on the sum of their accumulated wealth to their kids. If you want to ***** about something, ***** about inheritance taxes.

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I'm betting the majority of boomers aint leaving **** because they're broke.

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You can't argue it both ways. Young people ***** that boomers have hogged at the wealth for themselves. . That directly conflicts with the assertion they're all broke

These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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Afraid of work, sacrifice, shadows, etc and definitely most afraid of not qualifying for a participation ribbon.

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aTmAg said:

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On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

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Yeah but hunter-gatherers work(ed) like 15 hours a week. Can't support and sustain large-scale civilizations like that, but arguably agriculture was a mistake that just kind of became self-perpetuating.

For anyone who's not a biblical literalist, that's what the Garden of Eden story is pretty obviously about. Once in the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates, people lived in a state of innocence and all that they needed was provided for them for the taking. Then there was a change and that time of innocence was lost. The humans who came after were farmers and keepers of livestock (see Cain and Abel). This was God's terrible curse that came with the loss of that innocence - "getting food from the ground Will be as painful as having babies is for your wife; you'll be working in pain all your life long. The ground will sprout thorns and weeds, you'll get your food the hard way, Planting and tilling and harvesting, sweating in the fields from dawn to dusk, Until you return to that ground yourself, dead and buried." And thus, there in the Fertile Crescent, civilization blossomed, supported by the brutal toil of farming and with all the complications and problems that come with it. And through the generations the story was remembered and told and eventually written.

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I'm sorry, but this is absolutely not true. The story in the garden is not saying that innovation and agriculture give rise to misery and subordinate humanity to labor. That idea is so incomprehensibly stupid and unbiblical, I don't know where to start.

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The difference is you're reading it as a theological lesson filtered through whatever strain of western Christianity and I'm reading it as mythology. The Garden of Eden and the fall is a story about the transition from an almost animalistic hunter-gatherer existence to agricultural civilization and a way of understanding it. Kind of the same way that Persephone's descent into Hades for half the year in Greek mythology is about the changing seasons and a way of understanding them. I'm looking at what inspired humans to develop and pass down this myth, you're asking why God wanted you to know this story. Of course we have different takeaways.

As long as they have the money for it themselves, I'm ok with this. If they expect handouts, then I'm 100% against this.

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The difference is you're reading it as a theological lesson filtered through whatever strain of western Christianity and I'm reading it as mythology. The Garden of Eden and the fall is a story about the transition to agricultural society and a way of understanding it. Kind of the same way that Persephone's descent into Hades for half the year in Greek mythology is about the changing seasons and a way of understanding them. I'm looking at what inspired humans to develop and pass down this myth, you're asking why God wanted you to know this story. Of course we have different takeaways.

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Definitely eating another gummy and reading this. Hate to see it, but let the thermos talk.

Holy hippy lettuce material. Thx.

10thYrSr said:

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aTmAg said:

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Every animal in the Animal kingdom has to work to survive. Prey don't just walk up to us and say "eat me". Shelter doesn't just spontaneously build itself around us. On top of that, humans today have to work less to survive than humans at any time in world history. Our ancestors worked in the fields for 80 hour and 7 day weeks just to barely provide for their families.

Yet today, these pansies complain that they have to work in an air conditioned Starbucks 5 hours a day? GTFOH.

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This is false. Humans have worked as little as 3 hours a day in the past.

https://bigthink.com/big-think-books/vicki-robin-joe-dominguez-your-money-or-your-life/

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If you believe that then i have a planet to sell you. I'm sure somebody looking to sell a book called "your money or your life" can look hard enough to find some remote ass tribe somewhere in history that lived on infinite fruit island. But to pretend that was anywhere near the norm is a joke. Again we KNOW how much native Indians worked. It is heavily documented. Watch a few episodes of a realistic survival show, to see out how asinine that notion is.

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Why not?

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Several reasons.

(1) My field is competitive. These people will easily be beat by talent that knows what they want to do.

(2) Red flag if I do hire them. When are they going to leave me under-resourced? What other problems can I look forward to?

(3) If college was too hard, how the hell are they going to handle actual work or a bad performance review?

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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The difference is you're reading it as a theological lesson filtered through whatever strain of western Christianity and I'm reading it as mythology. The Garden of Eden and the fall is a story about the transition to agricultural society and a way of understanding it. Kind of the same way that Persephone's descent into Hades for half the year in Greek mythology is about the changing seasons and a way of understanding them. I'm looking at what inspired humans to develop and pass down this myth, you're asking why God wanted you to know this story. Of course we have different takeaways.

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Definitely eating another gummy and reading this. Hate to see it, but let the thermos talk.

Holy hippy lettuce material. Thx.

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You needed assistance from a talking thermos to be able to do weed and ponder the implications of the Bible being books created by a bunch of humans living in different places at different times with very different beliefs, which have been largely stripped of their context and reinterpreted to fit a series of hugely different narratives over the last couple of millennia? What a noob.

Nah, I like the topic of ancient civilizations and commonality amongst the religions regarding stories. It was a big premise of the Ancient Apocalypse series.

But I think its foolish as a dismissive explanation for the true meaning of the garden of eden. Drawing more loose lines than Hancock did, so its entertaining.

Did not mean to indicate I am learning something.

not hedge said:

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I for one think this is a good thing. We all have finite amount of time on earth why only explore when you're retired. Kudos to Gen Z for having the balls to get up and leave. More to life than working for somebody else's gain

https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-rewriting-rulebook-jobs-resume-gaps-career-breaks-work-2023-1?amp

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Should I call 911 and contact the mods because you are going to kill yourself?

Gen Z needs to spend a year doing real work.

Then they will be able to appreciate the jobs they have.