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Are you underpaid?

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No, because I changed employers 6 months ago and got a 25% raise.

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Good for you. I'm all for getting paid. How often can you make a jump like that? And how many times? See many C-level execs who jump ship every 18 months?

But this thread isn't about getting rewarded for your work. It's about sitting out entirely due to the misconception that hard work is never rewarded, it's always for "someone else's gain."

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Pookers said:

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Sooper Jeenyus said:

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Are you underpaid?

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No, because I changed employers 6 months ago and got a 25% raise.

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Good for you. I'm all for getting paid. How often can you make a jump like that? And how many times? See many C-level execs who jump ship every 18 months?

But this thread isn't about getting rewarded for your work. It's about sitting out entirely due to the misconception that hard work is never rewarded, it's always for "someone else's gain."

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I was trying to state that corporate loyalty is an outdated concept that doesnt work in the employee's favor. New employer every 3 years seems about right.

This entire article is basically a generation z having the balls to do what generation x already knew but was too scared to own.

It's a good thing. It takes a lot of balls to tell an employer that you don't give a flip about a career and that your sole purpose is to be paid to do a job so you can have money to live and do fun stuff.

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This entire article is basically a generation z having the balls to do what generation x already knew but was too scared to own.

It's a good thing. It takes a lot of balls to tell an employer that you don't give a flip about a career and that your sole purpose is to be paid to do a job so you can have money to live and do fun stuff.

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Pretty much. Corporations have no problem outsourcing people to save a buck. Younger people are now correctly acting like mercenaries as that is now the business arrangement.

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Most everyone I know in their 30s who has realized the system is rigged against the employee has started their own business or is working on it. This seems far more advantageous than taking multi year breaks that victor id celebrating.

Newsflash: we all know being an employee sucks. Do it anyway until you find something you're good at. Then figure out the steps needed to go do it for yourself. You don't need to create a billion dollar company. I know plenty of people with revenues from 500,000 to 5,000,000 that are killing it as a well rounded businessman and family man. It takes guts, but it's pretty simple if you find basic services people want.

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Do you live in Texas? If so, I have great news for you and other people who just need to be their own sole proprietor. Texas is an at-will employment state. You are free to get any job or not get any job and leave any company at any time (contractual employment excepted).

I worded Big Five, Corp America, and have started my own business. The stress and work requirements of having your own business are incredible and not for everyone. And with very rare exceptions, to grow a business to a $5MM level and beyond requires even more work.

I am reaching the point ~15 years in my journey of having my own business and have just now gotten to the point where vacations are vacations and I can spend days playing on the PS5, smoking pot and posting on TexAgs.

One of my partners in a side business is also an employee of mine for his primary job. He prefers being an employee vs running his own gig. His identical twin brother has run a separate business that used to subcontract for us and has down X multiples better financially - but at a cost of marriages and such.

Some people are built to be a team member and some are built to lead a team and some are built to play solo. It takes all of these to make commerce work.

And what the heck does "system rigged against the employees" mean?

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It probably depends on the work you do, but for the 15-20 of us in the circles I run in, we tend to ***** a lot about how hard we work, but most of the hours are spent worrying about work/stupid employees doing stupid things more than actually working. It all counts as hours for sure, but many of those hours aren't spent in the office but more in your own head.

I'm sure all experiences vary, but most of mine are small construction or professional services. I guess if my circle was filled with high powered cpas/attorneys/O&G types, that may be different. But for my group, we're taking vacations and tucking the kids in every night. We're not paying ourselves $500,000+ either, so it may just depend on different aspirations.

But overall I will agree with you. Some people are better off being employees than employers. But those people also shouldnt complain about what an employer wants to pay them, or hours they require. They can still take the early steps I outlined and find a new gig versus not working until they find a good fit

People tend to hang out at work like they are on a tv show.

People cant put down their phone.

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This entire article is basically a generation z having the balls to do what generation x already knew but was too scared to own.

It's a good thing. It takes a lot of balls to tell an employer that you don't give a flip about a career and that your sole purpose is to be paid to do a job so you can have money to live and do fun stuff.

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Nah. That doesn't take balls at all. It's a complete loser mentality and simply lazy. And you're never going to make enough money with that attitude to actually have real money and do a lot of fun stuff.

Ironic that my wife and I, in our late 40's, can actually go on amazing trips, buy luxury goods, live in a badass home, drive nice vehicles, and such because we basically took the complete opposite approach to what the Z's are advocating on this thread. Maxed out IRA's and 401k's. Aggressively worked the real estate market and investment opportunities. Focused on marriage and family instead of instant gratification. Started our own business on the side (now all I do). Put every dime we could in to our home(s) to ensure lowest debt service. Got the most out of our cars. Turned stock options and bonuses in to big down payments on homes instead of F off money so we could go find ourselves and "take a break".

I worked my ass off and saved so my wife could be a stay at home mom. And after 10 years of that she re-entered the workforce, picked up her Masters, loves her job, and will secure our health insurance for life and another retirement for us. That takes balls. That's Gen X. And she gets up in the morning fired up about it because she loves her work.

Sorry, I just don't get y'all. I am all about having fun and living. But I am also all about work and goals and accomplishing things. It makes me happy. It gives me satisfaction and worth. Not as much as my marriage and being a dad does but it's still VERY important to me. And even the worst jobs I ever had, I hold no grudges about. I was still compensated (usually well compensated in relative terms). I moved on when I needed to or when opportunity knocked. Did I make others wealthy? Of course. But those jobs paid for our life and future too and I was and remain grateful for them.

Also, just a final thought. If you think jumping ship every three years is a great idea, it's not. I get it. Corporate loyalty is a hard sell these days. But you can't move between organizations at that pace and ever expect to make any real money. Before going completely on my own (since late 2020) I worked for six different companies over 23 years. Two of those gigs lasted 18 of the 23 years. Those two jobs account for the vast majority of my accumulated "corporate" wealth. You just can't rack it up without putting in your dues. Unsolicited advice.

I like this article / trend. Americans are too tied to their jobs. We should be able to log off and not have to talk to the boss or another employee until we arrive for the next day at work. Employers shouldn't know what we're up to 24/7. The extensive background check before employment is fine, but track us when we're on company time and lay off when we clock out ( within reason).

I actually read the article. I had a break once but that was to sort out a visa to return overseas. I'm considering taking one now before returning home and go on the job hunt. 2021 and 2022 were not kind due to pandemic restrictions and need just a little break.

On to the article, I think listing # of years is interesting and has some merit. Resume gaps aren't necessarily bad and should be explained. I think you should note that you saved up money to pay for it and didn't have mommy and daddy to pay for it. If you move back home after travelling, it's ok to move back in with mommy and daddy while looking for a job.

Those that do travel, just try to not to be an *******, you didn't "live" abroad, you travelled abroad. The experiences are very different and because you didn't really take on too many responsbilities, I don't think you truly learned anything about yourself. You just got something out of your system which is ok.

That break after college by Shola is not impressive.

What Riley didn't isn't bad. Imagine being stuck for two years in a ******* pandemic and not being able to do anything. The travel itch is massive right now and is the time to scratch it.

I sympathize with the bottom two paragraphs. My uncle and my aunt were just trying whatever they could to get by. It was a different experience and had the belief that "everything was going to be ok." I envy that. I think it is true about millenials and Gen Z how they wan to be "settled" first before marrying. This may end up meaning a lot more early 30s men marry younger women though. They don't want to "work" through the ups and downs with someone.

I've known a few people that have taken breaks in their 20s and 30s and ended up coming back and slipping right into the workforce, buying house, establishing long term relationships etc. I know one that is struggling to get back to real work however is not the norm. It's not the death knell, it shouldn't be looked "down upon" by hiring managers but some people just need to get it out of their system.

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This entire article is basically a generation z having the balls to do what generation x already knew but was too scared to own.

It's a good thing. It takes a lot of balls to tell an employer that you don't give a flip about a career and that your sole purpose is to be paid to do a job so you can have money to live and do fun stuff.

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Nah. That doesn't take balls at all. It's a complete loser mentality and simply lazy. And you're never going to make enough money with that attitude to actually have real money and do a lot of fun stuff.

Ironic that my wife and I, in our late 40's, can actually go on amazing trips, buy luxury goods, live in a badass home, drive nice vehicles, and such because we basically took the complete opposite approach to what the Z's are advocating on this thread. Maxed out IRA's and 401k's. Aggressively worked the real estate market and investment opportunities. Focused on marriage and family instead of instant gratification. Started our own business on the side (now all I do). Put every dime we could in to our home(s) to ensure lowest debt service. Got the most out of our cars. Turned stock options and bonuses in to big down payments on homes instead of F off money so we could go find ourselves and "take a break".

I worked my ass off and saved so my wife could be a stay at home mom. And after 10 years of that she re-entered the workforce, picked up her Masters, loves her job, and will secure our health insurance for life and another retirement for us. That takes balls. That's Gen X. And she gets up in the morning fired up about it because she loves her work.

Sorry, I just don't get y'all. I am all about having fun and living. But I am also all about work and goals and accomplishing things. It makes me happy. It gives me satisfaction and worth. Not as much as my marriage and being a dad does but it's still VERY important to me. And even the worst jobs I ever had, I hold no grudges about. I was still compensated (usually well compensated in relative terms). I moved on when I needed to or when opportunity knocked. Did I make others wealthy? Of course. But those jobs paid for our life and future too and I was and remain grateful for them.

Also, just a final thought. If you think jumping ship every three years is a great idea, it's not. I get it. Corporate loyalty is a hard sell these days. But you can't move between organizations at that pace and ever expect to make any real money. Before going completely on my own (since late 2020) I worked for six different companies over 23 years. Two of those gigs lasted 18 of the 23 years. Those two jobs account for the vast majority of my accumulated "corporate" wealth. You just can't rack it up without putting in your dues. Unsolicited advice.

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You'd be surprised how many well off, hard working people there are in the world "taking a break" and completely responsible like you are. Saying it's a loser mentality or lazy is extreme.

Some good words of advice here though but sounds a bit too preachy. Kinda like how some people are when they just came back from a year travelling. Not everyone wants the luxury goods, "nice vehicles" and a "badass" home. Wanting the stable home and family though is something to strive for though. You also supported her wife through her endeavours which is great too.

One thing I disagree with the article is about "living your life" before settling down and having a career. Settling down with a family and having a career should also count as "living your life."

This Gen Xer is starting to think about taking a permanent break from work.

It's called "early retirement".

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They're going to be in for a rude awakening when this all goes kinetic.

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I have taken off time from work in the past few years at age 47 (moved to half time work for 3 months) and 49 (mostly not working for 9 months overseas)

and I doubt 95% of these folks realize how much money it costs you when looking at a 40 or 50 year time frame for retirement

there are going to be so many millions of poor retirees after Social Security goes bust in 2032.

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there are going to be so many millions of poor retirees after Social Security goes bust in 2032.

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Is it even technically possible to do worse than boomers?

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there are going to be so many millions of poor retirees after Social Security goes bust in 2032.

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Is it even technically possible to do worse than boomers?

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Take a good look around you and you'll see it is. And that's Boomers with a capital B ......show some respect for your elders sonny boy. You got some in your family I suppose .....unless you were hatched...Quien sabes ?

I'm not for jumping ship every couple of years just because, but definitely support having the guts to make a change if you or your family aren't happy.

But when it comes to getting stuff or wanting to be good at anything, I always come back to this video: Get your butt in the gym! Nothing can replace time spent working at something, especially in pursuit of where you want to go in life.

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These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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They literally don't want to grow up.

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More like I'll work for what I get paid and move on to the next person who will pay me more

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No loyalty.

That always goes over really well for a career path.

Also, there seems to be no "pay your dues "anymore.

Company loyalty is a dead concept, pensions don't exist anymore and we can easily be fired and replaced without notice. Why wouldn't I treat my employer the same

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These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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They literally don't want to grow up.

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Yeah I'm a young millennial and see this all the time. They're obsessed with having fun at all moments. They're still obsessed with superheroes, Harry Potter and cartoons. They don't know how to take care of themselves. They don't understand budgeting. They don't work hard. They tend to act like they're owed something. It really is just the infantilization of an entire generation.

These same people who take a year off work, don't show up to the office, don't work hard and don't spend their money wisely have the gall to complain about how everything is unaffordable and unattainable. Personally, I don't mind it because it's made my competition easier to beat and it's led to me being 27, owning a house, a nice car and still having plenty of money in the bank. I'd like to thank Gen Z and young millennials for making my life easier since they aren't much competition in the work place.

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Because it's stupid

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These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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They literally don't want to grow up.

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You are correct. We're seeing it personally with some of the kids in my wife's family. Every excuse to no have to be grown ups.

I gotta tell you Annie. One of the most satisfying things I have ever experienced in my life is watching my 17 year old son right now and how he is living his life. He's a great student and a decent athlete. But this last summer when he was 16 he got a job at Home Depot. We told him when school and sports were back in full swing he would have to trim his hours back. The wife and I have been in a constant struggle with him over it for months. He absolutely loves his job. He loves seeing his bank account build up. He's learning so many life lessons every week. And he's doing a really good job in balancing it with athletics and keeping his grades up to make sure he gets in to A&M. I'd like to think it's all about how my wife and I have influenced him but I think some kids are just wired that way and he and his brother are going to lay waste to their competition in their careers if this attitude among the younger folks continues.

Wasn't gen x obsessed with Star Wars and Star Trek? What does movie preference have to do with anything?

I have always included the years on my CVs

from obtaining college BA through the next 27 years of work history I would include the month and year I started and left each position.

completely disagree with the poster claiming leaving every three years makes it impossible to earn money. I didn't do that for the early part of my career- but let's look at some actual expert opinions shall we?

https://us.experteer.com/magazine/change-jobs-every-three-years/

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These folks are just afraid of responsibility

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You are correct. We're seeing it personally with some of the kids in my wife's family. Every excuse to no have to be grown ups.

I gotta tell you Annie. One of the most satisfying things I have ever experienced in my life is watching my 17 year old son right now and how he is living his life. He's a great student and a decent athlete. But this last summer when he was 16 he got a job at Home Depot. We told him when school and sports were back in full swing he would have to trim his hours back. The wife and I have been in a constant struggle with him over it for months. He absolutely loves his job. He loves seeing his bank account build up. He's learning so many life lessons every week. And he's doing a really good job in balancing it with athletics and keeping his grades up to make sure he gets in to A&M. I'd like to think it's all about how my wife and I have influenced him but I think some kids are just wired that way and he and his brother are going to lay waste to their competition in their careers if this attitude among the younger folks continues.

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You sound like my dad haha. He made me work at the local ace hardware while I was in high school. Had to manage that with playing sports. Smartest thing he ever did for me was make me work and then take half of every paycheck I got and he stuck it into the S&P 500 for me. I hated it at the time but man am I happy now that he made me do all that. Your kid is gonna crush it.

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Wasn't gen x obsessed with Star Wars and Star Trek? What does movie preference have to do with anything?

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Because they make liking Marvel, Harry Potter and Star Wars their defining personality trait. Again, I see this all the time. A 32 year old in my office just had a Spider-Man themed party. It was embarrassing.

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Company loyalty is a dead concept, pensions don't exist anymore and we can easily be fired and replaced without notice. Why wouldn't I treat my employer the same

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Probably because you have admitted many times that you are on easy street because your parents set you up. Maybe I am thinking of someone else, if so, my bad.

For the vast majority, that's not an option.

Again, old guy talking here but I do have some years of wisdom. Sure, you can get canned at any moment in a downsize. No joke. But I personally handled that type of thing for a couple of decades. It was a rare event to see hard working, loyal, motivated, employees lose their jobs. Any decent organization values these people. Fat gets trimmed. If I was still in the big corporate game I would fire you first if we had to downsize or send your job to Mexico or India. Why wouldn't I?

the new generation of workers SUCKS

the customer service is horrendous.

and we can all see so many open positions because young people refuse to work in certain positions anymore

better to stay living at mommy's house

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Company loyalty is a dead concept, pensions don't exist anymore and we can easily be fired and replaced without notice. Why wouldn't I treat my employer the same

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Probably because you have admitted many times that you are on easy street because your parents set you up. Maybe I am thinking of someone else, if so, my bad.

For the vast majority, that's not an option.

Again, old guy talking here but I do have some years of wisdom. Sure, you can get canned at any moment in a downsize. No joke. But I personally handled that type of thing for a couple of decades. It was a rare event to see hard working, loyal, motivated, employees lose their jobs. Any decent organization values these people. Fat gets trimmed. If I was still in the big corporate game I would fire you first if we had to downsize or send your job to Mexico or India. Why wouldn't I?

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I agree with much of what you say

but working for Lockheed Martin I saw older folks get pushed out- my director was canned a few months before he was due to get an increase in his retirement pension amount

at Raytheon Technologies (then UTC) I saw numerous older people get walked out of the building the same day getting fired, and they were good performers.

Booz Allen they fire older folks every month- either advance or you are out.

Wish my parents set me up, I had to cold call my way into my first job out of college. I wouldn't say im "taking it easy", I come to work, get paid, kick ass, and go home. Nothing more nothing less. Every few years I will hop to another company for a significant pay raise

The thing is, we don't and never have, made him get a job. We encouraged him to get summer work. My parents never made me (outside of normal chores) work while school was in session. It's his choice to continue to work.

But he also knows that F150 he loves doesn't crap out Benjamins and his girlfriend expects a decent date once a week, lol.

Ha! Well your kid is ahead of me then! Good on you for raising him right. Wish there were more Gen Z's like your kid. I manage a sales team and handle hiring. 90% of these fresh out of school kids are awful.

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Wasn't gen x obsessed with Star Wars and Star Trek? What does movie preference have to do with anything?

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I was obsessed with Star Wars. Absolutely. For about 5-6 years.

Then I became a teenager and completely forgot about that sh**. My obsession turned to football and chicks and my grades. That lead to career, wife, marriage, investments, and my children.

It's called growing up.

I've seen commercials of older teenagers playing with Harry Potter wands. Really? WTF.

I could make the argument football is just as rudimentary as Star Wars in its own way. It's the same idea that adults who like movies or video games are childish. While adults who only watch sports or the bachelor are adults. Pretty unwise to label somebody a child based off their interests

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I've seen commercials of older teenagers playing with Harry Potter wands. Really? WTF.

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TAMU won one of the first Quidditch national championships in the mid 00s.

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I could make the argument football is just as rudimentary as Star Wars in its own way. It's the same idea that adults who like movies or video games are childish. While adults who only watch sports or the bachelor are adults. Pretty unwise to label somebody a child based off their interests

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They're buying kids toys in record numbers lol. It's time to grow up and accept being an adult.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/19/kidults-biggest-sales-driver-toy-industry.html