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BMX Bandit said:

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isn't WA increasing? Either way, the vast majority of the blues are losing people.

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No idea, but if it is, I'd guess it would be due to people from eastern Oregon (very conservative) moving to eastern WA which is also pretty conservative. I'd be shocked if Seattle is gaining population, or if it is, it is the suburbs far enough away to avoid the crap hole Seattle has become.

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You'd be surprised.

AWS can't hire people fast enough and they are moving tons of people from California. Lots of Liberal Arts majors are getting jobs in Tech in the Seattle area.

Amazon and Microsoft are two HUGE employers and they can't get buildings fast enough to accommodate their needs.

It is true Spokane is also booming... I'd think more from Idaho than Oregon, though.

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o longer the case.

both are doing large layoffs and have put several construction projects (already under way) on hold.

amazon just recently dropped another 100K sq ft of space on an already inventory bloated business rental market.

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Colorado is a blue state that is booming.

I lived in NM for 9 years and won't return because of the idiots currently running the state. However, NM itself is a fantastic state in which to live. For those who say that there's not much to do, you must not like the outdoors. Also, it used to be a great place for entrepreneurs because of the lack of competition. There were lots of very wealthy, self-made people in NM when I lived there.

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I wouldn't say it's a "Blue State" in the traditional sense.

Colorado is a state that has become Blue in the past decade or so thanks to lots of California refugees.

Think about this, 50% of Colorado's population has moved there during the past 30 years.

For states with a small population, it doesn't take much to move the needle off center. The saving grace for Texas and the reason for California's inevitable demise is the much larger populations of those states.

To the point I bolded, I see a lot of high end cars with New Mexico license plates out here in Hollywood. I think there are a fair few California Libs who have moved to NM because it has a much lower cost of living and you can still drive to LA in one day if you need to (especially if you're in a Porsche 911).

Both are terrible and falling apart due to crime ever since the Obama administration's war on law and order.

New Mexico is stunningly beautiful. One of the most beautiful states in the country. If you were rich, it would be badass to have a place there and we've thought about doing just that.

But, yes, it's an extremely poor state and mostly a ****hole outside of the Santa Fe, Taos, Los Alamos "triangle".

Extreme income inequality in that place.

Have you ever been to New Mexico? It's a dump.

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The Santa Fe, Taos, Los Alamos "triangle" is stunningly beautiful. The other 90% of the state where everyday people can afford to live is an absolute ****hole.

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agent-maroon said:

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YouBet said:

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The Santa Fe, Taos, Los Alamos "triangle" is stunningly beautiful. The other 90% of the state where everyday people can afford to live is an absolute ****hole.

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Yep, which is why I said if you're rich it would be awesome to live in that area. But no where else.

agent-maroon said:

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The Santa Fe, Taos, Los Alamos "triangle" is stunningly beautiful. The other 90% of the state where everyday people can afford to live is an absolute ****hole.

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Driving through Taos itself at least half of the residences seemed to be made of corrugated metal and / or cinder block.

I had a HS friend whose family had a cabin at Taos. We made a couple of ski trips there in the early 80's about this time of year and even with the ski appeal I honestly didn't enjoy the short time I was there. Maybe I'm just not a mountain guy but I never had any desire to go back. But it obviously appeals to some and I hope that you can make it happen if it's your thing!

I think it is because they have overdone it with the adobe.

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I love New Mexico.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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agent-maroon said:

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YouBet said:

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The Santa Fe, Taos, Los Alamos "triangle" is stunningly beautiful. The other 90% of the state where everyday people can afford to live is an absolute ****hole.

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Driving through Taos itself at least half of the residences seemed to be made of corrugated metal and / or cinder block.

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Went to Colorado on an elk hunt a few years ago, my first trip there. Maybe it was just the route we took such that my sample isn't representative, but it seem so many of the places we drove through were a cluster of run down houses, some were shacks, with a few nicer residences, and one or two pretty nice homes. I joked that the nice homes were the Texans that had moved there, lol. Lots of junker cars, 55 gallon drums in the yard, just looked not taken care of.

We took an impromptu visit to Carlsbad Caverns last year. Google had us take a route off the main drag that wound through residential Carlsbad. The houses were as you described and the poverty was as oppressive and depressing as you'll find anywhere in the USA. Rural Louisiana is way better than small town NM and it isn't close.

Las Cruces used to be a pretty cool town, beautiful Organ mountains nearby.

And it was conservative. But not anymore. Biden won Dona Ana Co., 54-43

Jabin said:

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Colorado is a blue state that is booming.

I lived in NM for 9 years and won't return because of the idiots currently running the state. However, NM itself is a fantastic state in which to live. For those who say that there's not much to do, you must not like the outdoors. Also, it used to be a great place for entrepreneurs because of the lack of competition. There were lots of very wealthy, self-made people in NM when I lived there.

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Colorado is slowly committing suicide as they went

I just got back from there btw. Seemed like I smelled weed every time I went into a public place outdoors. Homeless population is exploding, lots of zombies wandering around and starting to move beyond Denver. Was up in Winter Park and they were fairly common. Pueblo they were everywhere and pretty aggressive. They are losing their Western independent mentality and going socialist. It works for a while but eventually it always destroys.

Love to be wrong btw, beautiful state. New Mexico is even more lost.

Back in August we got off the beaten paths in several areas just to see different sites. Beautiful scenery and natural landscapes intermixed with complete ****hole towns and Native American areas. Agree with others, if you had eff you money, you could live in a nice compound and have every thing flown in, but when you had to go out, not a lot of things that measure up.

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We took an impromptu visit to Carlsbad Caverns last year. Google had us take a route off the main drag that wound through residential Carlsbad. The houses were as you described and the poverty was as oppressive and depressing as you'll find anywhere in the USA. Rural Louisiana is way better than small town NM and it isn't close.

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I'm very familiar with Carlsbad and it is actually one of the more wealthier towns in Southern New Mexico altho it does fluctuate depending on O&G. There are some run down neighborhoods like any town, but if you go north of the river (Pecos) or on the river, the neighborhoods are very nice. There are multiple mansions on the river. It is also one of the safest towns and very family friendly. If you stayed in the southern portion of the town, I can see how you would think it's rundown.

Come to Houston some time.

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Come to Houston some time.

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Exactly
Or any major city in Texas

At least there is scenery in NM

Now you may get arrested if you are not wearing a mask by yourself in the desert but that's a different story !

Cloudcroft area is nice too

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I'm very familiar with Carlsbad and it is actually one of the more wealthier towns in Southern New Mexico altho it does fluctuate depending on O&G. There are some run down neighborhoods like any town, but if you go north of the river (Pecos) or on the river, the neighborhoods are very nice.

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Law school boyfriend's parents had a huge place on the river in the early 80s. And his step-dad was in O&G.

That paled in comparison to the 11,000 square foot home they had in ABQ, though. One room alone was nearly 3,000 square feet for entertaining. Talk about a "great room."

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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I've been to New Mexico, and it's a sh*+hole.

I'd rather live in Louisiana any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

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It's hyperbole like this that ruins the credibility of threads on this board.

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Somebody trying to convince the board that Louisiana is the standard. No. Arizona, on the other side of NM has some great spots but Louisiana? NO.

Santa Fe is only nice on the weekends when the LA crowd comes to town. On Tuesday night the plaza is sadly just a bunch of drunken native Americans who have the alcoholic gene. It's sad.

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Jabin said:

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Colorado is a blue state that is booming.

I lived in NM for 9 years and won't return because of the idiots currently running the state. However, NM itself is a fantastic state in which to live. For those who say that there's not much to do, you must not like the outdoors. Also, it used to be a great place for entrepreneurs because of the lack of competition. There were lots of very wealthy, self-made people in NM when I lived there.

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Colorado is slowly committing suicide as they went

I just got back from there btw. Seemed like I smelled weed every time I went into a public place outdoors. Homeless population is exploding, lots of zombies wandering around and starting to move beyond Denver. Was up in Winter Park and they were fairly common. Pueblo they were everywhere and pretty aggressive. They are losing their Western independent mentality and going socialist. It works for a while but eventually it always destroys.

Love to be wrong btw, beautiful state. New Mexico is even more lost.

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Was up there in Sept. 2021 for the A&M vs. CU game.

One of my buddies was trying to convince us that the homeless tents weren't that bad and they weren't everywhere. Meanwhile, there was a weed shop on every corner.

In fairness people who lived in Highlands Ranch 80129 like me, know better than to even drive down East Colfax, much less try to convince out of state friends that this is normal, everything is fine.

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Not a lot of good jobs out there compared with West Coast, East Coast, and Texas.

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Now let's double and triple click into each of these states.

Sitting by a fire in Sante Fe right now, mostly old while liberals, hippies, and artist. Very racist, no black people.

Fine. I hate New Mexico now.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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I've been to New Mexico, and it's a sh*+hole.

I'd rather live in Louisiana any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

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It's hyperbole like this that ruins the credibility of threads on this board.

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Somebody trying to convince the board that Louisiana is the standard. No. Arizona, on the other side of NM has some great spots but Louisiana? NO.

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I'm sorry but I like pine trees and live oak trees. I like the water, and I enjoy the outdoors. I also like the food and the people in Louisiana.

If I'm choosing one trailer park over another, Louisiana is way better than New Mexico in my book.

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I wouldn't say it's a "Blue State" in the traditional sense.

Colorado is a state that has become Blue in the past decade or so thanks to lots of California refugees.

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does it really make a difference if traditional or untraditional? still has a blue governor and 2 blue senators.

Ol_Ag_02 said:

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As someone who just came back from skiing the resorts and high forests are beautiful. The rest of it was depressing, poor, and seemingly devoid of people, life, and opportunity.

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This. Northern New Mexico is pretty. The rest of the state, for the most part, not so much.

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I wouldn't say it's a "Blue State" in the traditional sense.

Colorado is a state that has become Blue in the past decade or so thanks to lots of California refugees.

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does it really make a difference if traditional or untraditional? still has a blue governor and 2 blue senators.

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Absolutely. It serves as a cautionary tale.

If you don't take care of matters in your state, you too could be overrun by people with different values who don't mind turning your state into the same type of Blue State s/hole that they just left.

This is happening all across the Western USA. AZ, NV, MT, ID, etc. It's way too late for WA and OR. WY might be the next one to fall.

its not a "cautionary tale" because you can't stop people from moving. how do you "t take care of matters in your state" to prevent it?


what is a "traditional" blue state? just about all these states were red at one time.

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Beautiful compared to what, everything west of San Antonio? Outside of the oilfield, and whatever tourism they can fetch in Ruidoso and Santa Fe, what else does that place have to offer? It'll be on a decline from here on out unless something drastically happens.

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The Chicken Ranch said:

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I've been to New Mexico, and it's a sh*+hole.

I'd rather live in Louisiana any day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

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It's hyperbole like this that ruins the credibility of threads on this board.

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I can definitely see how some folks would prefer LA over NM. LA is a unique state with huge fundamental problems but it has some real positives. If you like to hunt and fish and eat LA is pretty great. It's cheap and not socialist. New Orleans is a completely unique place for good and bad. Also, if you live in Louisiana it's easy to get to the main part of Texas or to go to Florida. The main issue with LA is it has been corrupt for so long they simply don't know any other way. There are some dangerous as hell parts of that state though and I'd never send a kid to public school there. If you like mountains and hate humidity and swamp it's definitely not the place to be.

NM is great if you like the mountains and are into Southwestern cuisine. It's a long way from any of the main parts of Texas and any ocean though and the culture there is also broken but in a different way. ABQ has a massive crime problem and the Native American population is just sad and broken. In the end if you really love mountains CO will always be better. Seems to be huge wealth disparity. I always remember my uncle who had a set of small rural grocery stores in the Panhandle. He opened one in NM and had to close it after a couple of years because of constant lawsuits from people "falling" and lawyering up, had more lawsuits there in 2 years than in all his stores in Texas in 20. NM is just actively anti business, that's why the only real employment there tends to be government.