The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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Seriously, do you think I'm privately performing trans reading hours for children? Secretly performing gay marriages on the sly? Using fentanyl?

Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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I dont even believe in God but I'm about to send my kids to a private religious school. Kids learning Christianity or the ways of the world at public school. It isn't a hard choice.

The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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What if I told you the two are connected. Have you missed the "pornhub profitting off of child sexual assault" stories?

Silian Rail said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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Seriously, do you think I'm privately performing trans reading hours for children? Secretly performing gay marriages on the sly? Using fentanyl?

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I dont know what you do and frankly I don't care.

Criminalizing porn would have as much success as criminalizing gun ownership or pot smoking

we're pretty blessed that our kids can attend public schools that are run by pretty conservative people, my wife being one of them.

That said, one of my brothers and his wife are both agnostic and have had their kids attend Christian private schools in the past (they're grown now). One of my best friends/business associates and his wife are the same and are doing the same with their kids right now. They're not trying to make their kids Christians they're trying to shield them from degeneracy, if that makes any sense.

New World Ag said:

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Criminalizing porn would have as much success as criminalizing gun ownership or pot smoking

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And yet we still do those other ones. Because, although imperfect, they do still have an impact. Hence why this board is so opposed to gun regulations. If they didn't do anything, nobody would care.

Pointing out that criminals exist doesn't make for a good argument against passing laws.

Is anyone here against Child porn? Or think that decriminalizing child porn would lead to less of it? Other than Mary Ruwart of course.

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Once upon a time, porn was outlawed, right? Kind of like people understood the detriment to society?

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Along with alcohol, divorce, blasphemy, anal sex, selling certain items on certain days of the week (blue laws)........... Those were the days.

Unfortunately, the interweb has made it tough to enforce the numerous porn laws already in place. Find a way to do that, and hold parents responsible for blocking content on their kids' devices.

The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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The Democratic Party is not normalizing pedophilia, this place is unbelievable.

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we're pretty blessed that our kids can attend public schools that are run by pretty conservative people, my wife being one of them.

That said, one of my brothers and his wife are both agnostic and have had their kids attend Christian private schools in the past (they're grown now). One of my best friends/business associates and his wife are the same and are doing the same with their kids right now. They're not trying to make their kids Christians they're trying to shield them from degeneracy, if that makes any sense.

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I completely understand. Our oldest is the only one school age and goes to a great public school, but we may be moving and with that, going private. Hell, I would prefer for them all to be private anyways. I just don't trust other peoples decision making when it comes tonthwir children, and what other people allow for their children will absolutely be rubbed off on mine. We see it now with our neighbor kid who is 5 and constantly wears clothes that show way too much for a 5 year old. That of course leads to our kids wanting to wear things that they shouldn't. This is obviously the tip of the iceberg, and a sign of what is to come. We are trying to move out to the country and tonget away from it, not that you can escape human nature, but you know what I mean.

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wbt5845 said:

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Once upon a time, porn was outlawed, right? Kind of like people understood the detriment to society?

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Along with alcohol, divorce, blasphemy, anal sex, selling certain items on certain days of the week (blue laws)...........

Those were the days. Unfortunately, the interweb has made it tough to enforce the numerous porn laws already in place. Find a way to do that, and hold parents responsible for blocking conten on their kids' devices.

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Something as simple as raising the age of view to 21 and having to enter your DL info would drop it through the floor. How many 21 year olds would enter their private info into that search bar? And how many 10 year olds seeing this through their 16 year old brothers phone for the first time would be able to gain access to a 21 year olds phone? Most first exposures are middle schooler to middle schooler.

It will never be 0. Never. Same as gun laws, alcohol laws, drug laws etc already referenced. Doesn't mean we can't drastically reduce it by at least creating some semblance of a barrier. Right now any kid can pull their phone out and find it. And if you think you've locked your kids phone down well enough, you've failed. As TXAGFAN pointed out, twitter has been a free for all in the past.

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"Sexual choking" is a turn on for tons of women and doesn't actually involve choking 99% of the time. It's just doing the "hand necklace," maybe a tiny bit of pressure on the sides. No restriction of the airway. If someone is already consensually having sex with you I think it's generally fine to put your hands various places and see what gets positive feedback.

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Unbelievable

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Actually, it's quite believable that a resident leftist would be all in favor of any kind of sexual perversion.

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It's shocking.

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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"Sexual choking" is a turn on for tons of women and doesn't actually involve choking 99% of the time. It's just doing the "hand necklace," maybe a tiny bit of pressure on the sides. No restriction of the airway. If someone is already consensually having sex with you I think it's generally fine to put your hands various places and see what gets positive feedback.

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To be clear, actually choking someone, as opposed to putting your hand(s) on their neck, would obviously require affirmative consent. Even then it's probably a bad idea. But I'm telling you, hands on/around the neck is what people are talking about generally.

And that seems about as mild as cupping a boob or something. The kind of thing that happens in the moment during consensual sex and continues to happen if it is well received.

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So rape fantasy really is a thing huh?

TXAGFAN said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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The Democratic Party is not normalizing pedophilia, this place is unbelievable.

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So back to no slippery slope now. Got it.

TXAGFAN said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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The Democratic Party is not normalizing pedophilia, this place is unbelievable.

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Really, cause the President son and the President himself have engaged in pedophelia, and all you care about is that one issue... oh what was it again...?

Yes, the Dems are normalizing pedophelia with KIDS oriented drag shows and Lib ELEMENTARY teachers wanting to talk sex, homosexuality, genders, pronouns and cunnilungus with 8 year olds.

Be honest, the Dems love them some deviant sex. Its disgusting.

OP thinks birth control should be criminalized and married people should only be having sex to breed children. His opinions should be roundly ignored.

Want to interject something that may have relevance in the future. This kind of thing is very hard to put back into any bottle, and you need to think about what trying to do.

What definitely would consider ditching in a new setup is co-ed below the age you are wanting to look out for. It just creates more issues than it helps in this environment and the two genders learn very differently and at different rates anyway.

Postponing that level of distraction would be a quarter of the battle you are trying to fight. Seems like some here are trying to make them at least reach teen age years not totally warped.

Just a thought.

Urban Ag said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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Actual Talking Thermos said:

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"Sexual choking" is a turn on for tons of women and doesn't actually involve choking 99% of the time. It's just doing the "hand necklace," maybe a tiny bit of pressure on the sides. No restriction of the airway. If someone is already consensually having sex with you I think it's generally fine to put your hands various places and see what gets positive feedback.

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To be clear, actually choking someone, as opposed to putting your hand(s) on their neck, would obviously require affirmative consent. Even then it's probably a bad idea. But I'm telling you, hands on/around the neck is what people are talking about generally.

And that seems about as mild as cupping a boob or something. The kind of thing that happens in the moment during consensual sex and continues to happen if it is well received.

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So rape fantasy really is a thing huh?

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As if you needed further evidence that insulated coffee containers should not speak.

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OP thinks birth control should be criminalized and married people should only be having sex to breed children. His opinions should be roundly ignored.

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I'm not Anglican, if you think Catholics believe sex should only be for procreation you need to read Theology of the Body by Pope St.John Paul II. You have never met people more into having sex for fun than a married Catholic couple.

Are you saying that we should look for all girl schools? I'm sorry, you kind of lost me. I think if there was a good option like that we would explore it, but we are looking tobget away from suburban hell first. I thibk slowing down the go go go lifestyle and getting in to something more rural and where you have different kinds of responsibility is a critically important shift, and will be the first step we take.

Oh look its the weekly porn is bad thread from Silian. Life must suck to be filled with so much hate and worrying about what other people do in their bedroom. Thankfully we have the constitution and the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from people like you.

But go ahead and continue to use your 1st amendment right to out yourself as a zealot so that others may be warned of your true intentions - but know that there are other ways to achieve the same goal without such theocratic fascism. You know - things like teaching respect for others and personal responsibility.

New World Ag said:

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Criminalizing porn would have as much success as criminalizing gun ownership or pot smoking

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People would still be able to, err, get off scot free?

Shot:

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I'm sure once you make porn illegal you'll stop, right? No slippery slope of legislating morality for activities that consenting adults engage in that harms nobody.

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Look who believes in slippery slopes all of a sudden.

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Never said I don't. Cute reply.

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TXAGFAN said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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The Democratic Party is not normalizing pedophilia, this place is unbelievable.

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fka ftc said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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Maybe, but I've learned that the loudest voices against vice are secretly committing them.

I mean, we are at the point where leftists are trying to normalize pedophilia and we've got an OP that's concerned about consent and paid adults having rough sex. The rough porn says a helluva lot more about the consumers than the industry.

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The Democratic Party is not normalizing pedophilia, this place is unbelievable.

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Really, cause the President son and the President himself have engaged in pedophelia, and all you care about is that one issue... oh what was it again...?

Yes, the Dems are normalizing pedophelia with KIDS oriented drag shows and Lib ELEMENTARY teachers wanting to talk sex, homosexuality, genders, pronouns and cunnilungus with 8 year olds.

Be honest, the Dems love them some deviant sex. Its disgusting.

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The Left definitely is. So the only thing that can be debated is which Democrats are Center Liberal, rather than Left.

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Urban Ag said:

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The Green Dragon said:

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I'd say 95% of the posters on this thread watch porn. The loudest voices are probably the front pew sitters in church and like with most vices are the most depraved.

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Or maybe a lot of parents that are concerned their children are getting their brain chemistry re-wired and not in a good way.

I haven't regularly attended church in years.

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I dont even believe in God but I'm about to send my kids to a private religious school. Kids learning Christianity or the ways of the world at public school. It isn't a hard choice.

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My kids go to a Jesuit private school, so it always tickles me to banter with the theocracy faction of the board.

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Oh look its the weekly porn is bad thread from Silian. Life must suck to be filled with so much hate and worrying about what other people do in their bedroom. Thankfully we have the constitution and the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from people like you.

But go ahead and continue to use your 1st amendment right to out yourself as a zealot so that others may be warned of your true intentions - but know that there are other ways to achieve the same goal without such theocratic fascism. You know - things like teaching respect for others and personal responsibility.

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What you call zealotry regarding the topic at hand is merely the views of a normal person 30 years ago.

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Oh look its the weekly porn is bad thread from Silian. Life must suck to be filled with so much hate and worrying about what other people do in their bedroom. Thankfully we have the constitution and the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from people like you.

But go ahead and continue to use your 1st amendment right to out yourself as a zealot so that others may be warned of your true intentions - but know that there are other ways to achieve the same goal without such theocratic fascism. You know - things like teaching respect for others and personal responsibility.

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Another one not keeping up. This is specifically referencing how unfettered porn use is affecting young kids. Read before posting nonsense about"what people do in their bedroom". Unless we're all not supposed to care that more and more 12 year olds are consuming hard core porn. No big deal.

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Oh look its the weekly porn is bad thread from Silian. Life must suck to be filled with so much hate and worrying about what other people do in their bedroom. Thankfully we have the constitution and the 2nd amendment to protect ourselves from people like you.

But go ahead and continue to use your 1st amendment right to out yourself as a zealot so that others may be warned of your true intentions - but know that there are other ways to achieve the same goal without such theocratic fascism. You know - things like teaching respect for others and personal responsibility.

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oh great, how do we go about teaching respect and personal responsibility to those who think its healthy to take their children to watch men dress in thongs and dance around?

Please let me know about this kind of stuff. I have only embraced the unwieldly and inefficient weapon that is government involvement as I've seen society get absolutely destroyed by the left wielding it against us for 100 years.

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Are you saying that we should look for all girl schools? I'm sorry, you kind of lost me. I think if there was a good option like that we would explore it, but we are looking tobget away from suburban hell first. I thibk slowing down the go go go lifestyle and getting in to something more rural and where you have different kinds of responsibility is a critically important shift, and will be the first step we take.

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No, not YOU. I meant a new national start-up. Not talking about as individual solution. That's probably useless.

But wouldn't counsel against it either. Its just it wouldn't have quite the same effect among an overall doing otherwise.

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fka ftc said:

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Be honest, the Dems love them some deviant sex. Its disgusting.

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The Left definitely is. So the only thing that can be debated is which Democrats are Center Liberal, rather than Left.

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We still need to take back the term "liberal". Dems have done full tilt to be authoritarian and just about every major policy initiative is focused on setting aside the US Constitution (gun control, silencing free speech, ignoring states' rights, ignoring religious freedoms, ignoring separation or powers, etc).

Liberalism was originally focused on LESS government interference in your private / personal lives. The Dems think they are progressive and liberal in their speech but their actions are quite the opposite.

They want to ban Christianity and examples of monogamous heterosexual relationships between consenting adults. Why?

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Are you saying that we should look for all girl schools? I'm sorry, you kind of lost me. I think if there was a good option like that we would explore it, but we are looking tobget away from suburban hell first. I thibk slowing down the go go go lifestyle and getting in to something more rural and where you have different kinds of responsibility is a critically important shift, and will be the first step we take.

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We did that two years ago and have experienced just that. It still happens, don't get me wrong. It's here too. It just seems to happen in the high school age range. I think (we'll see) we've won back the formative middle school years where we can approach the topic before it happens. In the large city we were in, we were looking at broaching the topic at 8-9 years old in order to get ahead of it. Just ridiculous.

Count me as in favor of outlawing pornography, and not on religious grounds.

IMHO opinion it is far more addictive than most illegal drugs, and the literal health consequences it's having on society are awful. It's impacting the chemical functioning of brains, and in particular is contributing to the rapid decline in testosterone production amongst males.

In my opinion we are VASTLY underestimating how much it's driving the societal decline happening around us. Society depends on strong men, always has.

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B-1 83 said:

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wbt5845 said:

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Once upon a time, porn was outlawed, right? Kind of like people understood the detriment to society?

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Along with alcohol, divorce, blasphemy, anal sex, selling certain items on certain days of the week (blue laws)...........

Those were the days. Unfortunately, the interweb has made it tough to enforce the numerous porn laws already in place. Find a way to do that, and hold parents responsible for blocking conten on their kids' devices.

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Something as simple as raising the age of view to 21 and having to enter your DL info would drop it through the floor. How many 21 year olds would enter their private info into that search bar? And how many 10 year olds seeing this through their 16 year old brothers phone for the first time would be able to gain access to a 21 year olds phone? Most first exposures are middle schooler to middle schooler.

It will never be 0. Never. Same as gun laws, alcohol laws, drug laws etc already referenced. Doesn't mean we can't drastically reduce it by at least creating some semblance of a barrier.

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THIS also has potential. Merge with my 10:19 and you might have half the battle and maybe that would be a good enough start and tamp down on much of it without even great exertions.

Trying to codify morality usually never ends well.

People need to discover how to handle and control their vices. There will always be some that end up tragically destroying themselves drag down innocent bystanders in the process because of their inability to control. However, the enforcement of morality will always end ruining more lives and end up only marginally solving the original problem while failing to stamp it out entirely.