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DM just gave a vague description. It so happened that her description aligned with the guy they'd already suspected.

She also provided a walking path on which they found a footprint.

Her auditory observations help establish a timeline and possibly clarify some events.

Nowhere has she pointed a finger and said, "He did it."

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100%. They have his freaking DNA on the knife sheath. They don't really need DM's testimony to convict the guy.

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What other aspect of #1 would be more graphic than getting murdered? Since most of the initial info that immediately came out after the incident turned out to be true, I'm curious about the rest of the story that you are alluding to since it is likely true too.

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Probably referring to the Reddit post that involved the ceiling fan and a particular knife wound. It was extremely graphic.

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No, the one involving the ceiling fan is not what I'm talking about, and I'm pretty sure that one is false. That was not in any of the early rumors.

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Why not just post it? Use spoiler tags if you need to.

I'm curious and not currently paying for my sub (off season) so I cannot DM.

This isn't a safe space from dirt rumor or innuendo, you can put al kinds of ***RUMOR*** tags around it if you want.

I also don't know the ceiling fan one - I only follow this on here.

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TexasRebel said:

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DM just gave a vague description. It so happened that her description aligned with the guy they'd already suspected.

She also provided a walking path on which they found a footprint.

Her auditory observations help establish a timeline and possibly clarify some events.

Nowhere has she pointed a finger and said, "He did it."

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100%. They have his freaking DNA on the knife sheath. They don't really need DM's testimony to convict the guy.

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And they have the timeline refined as well. Seriously, about the only thing she can definitively establish is the direction he came from, upstairs or from Xana's room on his way out the back slider.

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AckerlyAg said:

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What other aspect of #1 would be more graphic than getting murdered? Since most of the initial info that immediately came out after the incident turned out to be true, I'm curious about the rest of the story that you are alluding to since it is likely true too.

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Probably referring to the Reddit post that involved the ceiling fan and a particular knife wound. It was extremely graphic.

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Very graphic and very made up. Like this shrooming crap.

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What other aspect of #1 would be more graphic than getting murdered? Since most of the initial info that immediately came out after the incident turned out to be true, I'm curious about the rest of the story that you are alluding to since it is likely true too.

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Probably referring to the Reddit post that involved the ceiling fan and a particular knife wound. It was extremely graphic.

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Very graphic and very made up. Like this shrooming crap.

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I saw that horrible post, really sick individual to make that up.

Don't really think the eye witness matters much with all the other evidence against this guy. If he had a mask on then that takes away from the "witness" aspect.

TexasRebel said:

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DM just gave a vague description. It so happened that her description aligned with the guy they'd already suspected.

She also provided a walking path on which they found a footprint.

Her auditory observations help establish a timeline and possibly clarify some events.

Nowhere has she pointed a finger and said, "He did it."

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Was she the one that called 911? I don't remember hearing the recording.

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TexasRebel said:

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DM just gave a vague description. It so happened that her description aligned with the guy they'd already suspected.

She also provided a walking path on which they found a footprint.

Her auditory observations help establish a timeline and possibly clarify some events.

Nowhere has she pointed a finger and said, "He did it."

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Was she the one that called 911? I don't remember hearing the recording.

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They have never released the 911 call.

Wondering if they will then? Isn't it mandatory, or state by state?

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Wondering if they will then? Isn't it mandatory, or state by state?

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Not without the judge's permission. There is a gag order in the case.

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aggiehawg.. on a slam dunk scale of 1-10, where would you rank this case for the prosecution?

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Jury trial? Juries are always so unpredictable it is folly to predict this far out since there will be so many pre-trial motions to exclude evidence and we have only seen a drop in a bucket of evidence collected thus far and much more to come.

The biggest problem I see immediately will be empaneling a jury pool. And then voir dire will be a beast with such a high profile case in such a small state population.

But I have been impressed thus far with the Latah County Prosecutor. He looks like Santa Claus but is not a showboater at all. Very facts oriented. The Public Defender appointed has been a criminal defense attorney for nearly 25 years and is one of the few defense attorneys authorized to handle a death penalty case. Having said that, Idaho does not have a large number of death penalty cases where the sentence was death and hardly any actual executions going back several decades, so "experience" with death penalty cases will be on the low end.

The biggest issue will be the admissibility of touch DNA on the button of the knife sheath. All of the stalking behavior is good but have to actually place him inside the house. The survivor roommate, DM, cannot give a positive ID.

They also do not have the murder weapon and cannot connect that with BK as far as we know now. It could be his social media posts might contain a picture of him with a KA-Bar, we'll see how that works out at some point. His past use of FB, reddit, etc. could be a treasure trove of evidence for the prosecution.

Do they have a slam dunk? No. They are about 65% there, again depends on admissibility questions that will be argued and ruled upon by the judge pre-trial.

Now if they find blood DNA or trace evidence of any of the victims in his car, that goes up to 95%.

Yeah, I don't like that they haven't found the weapon, as far as we know. It would make this a slam dunk if they could find it with his dna and the victims. The sheath is good, but not air tight, I would think. Hopefully they have a lot more than they public knows.

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Yeah, I don't like that they haven't found the weapon, as far as we know. It would make this a slam dunk if they could find it with his dna and the victims. The sheath is good, but not air tight, I would think. Hopefully they have a lot more than they public knows.

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It is not essential that they find the murder weapon, since the DNA and trace evidence from his car will connect him to deaths and his presence inside the house.

His phone was turned off during the murders. The video evidence of the car does not have a good shot that I have seen wherein the face of the driver is visible. So placing him at the scene is not automatic on that evidence alone.

(One of the largest pieces of evidence in the Brooks' parade massacre trial were pictures where it was clearly Brooks behind the wheel.)

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Amazing to me the amount of new folks on here posting every bit of randomness and no background of the case

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I was just in the mancave making our martinis and The Hubs had on Fox News. That former cop and attorney, Ted something was reporting incorrectly that DM had a brief conversation with the killer. She heard a male voice but it was not addressing her face to face as she was still in her room with the door closed.

So the reporting has been abominable. Have watched a few lawtube streams reading the probable cause affidavit when it was first released and even they sometimes got confused on the timeline and details of what happened in which order. (Affidavit could have been better with repeating their dates in each paragraph.)

Ted Williams. The moment there was an announcement of an arrest I wondered if FNC would drag out him, Furhman and the rest of the old guard Greta white girl murder talking heads and sure enough they were all ready to go that night on air to talk out of their ass and also make very matter of fact comments about things they know nothing about

Reminder 48 Hours tonight about the Idaho murders.

https://www.discusspw.com/cbs-48-hours-the-idaho-student-murders-january-7-2023-new-episode/

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Ted Williams. The moment there was an announcement of an arrest I wondered if FNC would drag out him, Furhman and the rest of the old guard Greta white girl murder talking heads and sure enough they were all ready to go that night on air to talk out of their ass and also make very matter of fact comments about things they know nothing about

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Ted Williams was loudly bashing the Moscow PD saying they obviously had bungled the investigation and had no clue what they were doing and no suspect. He posted an apology on. Twitter and said he made a phone call to apologize to the Chief.

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Bunk Moreland said:

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Ted Williams. The moment there was an announcement of an arrest I wondered if FNC would drag out him, Furhman and the rest of the old guard Greta white girl murder talking heads and sure enough they were all ready to go that night on air to talk out of their ass and also make very matter of fact comments about things they know nothing about

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Ted Williams was loudly bashing the Moscow PD saying they obviously had bungled the investigation and had no clue what they were doing and no suspect. He posted an apology on. Twitter and said he made a phone call to apologize to the Chief.

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Then he also should have learned reporting accurately is better than injecting his opinion.

I think it will end up near slam dunk due to the sheath. It's also possible they find something in the car. If he got in that car without shedding the clothing he was wearing, I'm anticipating some sort of slip-up on his cleanup. But without the sheath and if they find nothing else (and there are no significant surprises left out of the PCA), would be very interesting.

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txaggie_08 said:

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Y'all are going way too far with this psychedelic/shroom possibility, speaking as if it's truth. We have no idea if she was on anything, no need to continue with that theory.

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I agree. People really just making up stuff at this point. The police did a great job and all this will be filled in.

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This whole thread is taking bits and pieces of information and trying to build some crazy story about it all. People are basically acting as if they have all the facts and going from there. Short memories. Everyone was saying case was cold until the day before the arrest and were wrong then and probably wrong about a lot now.

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Not me! On page 7 of this thread I stated "i think they will find him. may take a while, but police will put tons of effort into this case for a long time."

Three pretty white college girls aren't going to get murdered without there being a tremendous amount of police/fbi resources for as long as it takes to catch the criminal.

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That is no guarantee. 30 years later, the yogurt shop murders remain unsolved.

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The Hubs was at that scene, third call for firefighters. Saw the crime scene.

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I think it will end up near slam dunk due to the sheath. It's also possible they find something in the car. If he got in that car without shedding the clothing he was wearing, I'm anticipating some sort of slip-up on his cleanup. But without the sheath and if they find nothing else (and there are no significant surprises left out of the PCA), would be very interesting.

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There was a brief news story on this last night. They said the FBI watched him meticulously (TV host's wording, hopefully hyperbole) clean the inside and outside of his car.

I hope, if guilty, he missed a spot or three.

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txaggie_08 said:

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Y'all are going way too far with this psychedelic/shroom possibility, speaking as if it's truth. We have no idea if she was on anything, no need to continue with that theory.

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I agree. People really just making up stuff at this point. The police did a great job and all this will be filled in.

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This whole thread is taking bits and pieces of information and trying to build some crazy story about it all. People are basically acting as if they have all the facts and going from there. Short memories. Everyone was saying case was cold until the day before the arrest and were wrong then and probably wrong about a lot now.

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Not me! On page 7 of this thread I stated "i think they will find him. may take a while, but police will put tons of effort into this case for a long time."

Three pretty white college girls aren't going to get murdered without there being a tremendous amount of police/fbi resources for as long as it takes to catch the criminal.

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That is no guarantee. 30 years later, the yogurt shop murders remain unsolved.

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Unbelievable

Yeah, in the cracks and crevices is where you hope he missed something latent.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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I think it will end up near slam dunk due to the sheath. It's also possible they find something in the car. If he got in that car without shedding the clothing he was wearing, I'm anticipating some sort of slip-up on his cleanup. But without the sheath and if they find nothing else (and there are no significant surprises left out of the PCA), would be very interesting.

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There was a brief news story on this last night. They said the FBI watched him meticulously (TV host's wording, hopefully hyperbole) clean the inside and outside of his car.

I hope, if guilty, he missed a spot or three.

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Seems like they could have accessed the car while he was at work.

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Seems like they could have accessed the car while he was at work.

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Work? He never worked. And getting a search warrant for his car is not that simple.

He worked as a TA. I assume that's paid?

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txaggie_08 said:

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Y'all are going way too far with this psychedelic/shroom possibility, speaking as if it's truth. We have no idea if she was on anything, no need to continue with that theory.

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I agree. People really just making up stuff at this point. The police did a great job and all this will be filled in.

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This whole thread is taking bits and pieces of information and trying to build some crazy story about it all. People are basically acting as if they have all the facts and going from there. Short memories. Everyone was saying case was cold until the day before the arrest and were wrong then and probably wrong about a lot now.

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Not me! On page 7 of this thread I stated "i think they will find him. may take a while, but police will put tons of effort into this case for a long time."

Three pretty white college girls aren't going to get murdered without there being a tremendous amount of police/fbi resources for as long as it takes to catch the criminal.

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What does them being white and pretty have to do with it? Are you implying the authorities would have put less effort into finding the killer if they were fat and brown?

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IDaggie06 said:

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txaggie_08 said:

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Y'all are going way too far with this psychedelic/shroom possibility, speaking as if it's truth. We have no idea if she was on anything, no need to continue with that theory.

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I agree. People really just making up stuff at this point. The police did a great job and all this will be filled in.

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This whole thread is taking bits and pieces of information and trying to build some crazy story about it all. People are basically acting as if they have all the facts and going from there. Short memories. Everyone was saying case was cold until the day before the arrest and were wrong then and probably wrong about a lot now.

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Not me! On page 7 of this thread I stated "i think they will find him. may take a while, but police will put tons of effort into this case for a long time."

Three pretty white college girls aren't going to get murdered without there being a tremendous amount of police/fbi resources for as long as it takes to catch the criminal.

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What does them being white and pretty have to do with it? Are you implying the authorities would have put less effort into finding the killer if they were fat and brown?

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Dumbass statement and he should be ban for being a racist.

aggiehawg said:

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VegasAg86 said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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txaggie_08 said:

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Y'all are going way too far with this psychedelic/shroom possibility, speaking as if it's truth. We have no idea if she was on anything, no need to continue with that theory.

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I agree. People really just making up stuff at this point. The police did a great job and all this will be filled in.

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This whole thread is taking bits and pieces of information and trying to build some crazy story about it all. People are basically acting as if they have all the facts and going from there. Short memories. Everyone was saying case was cold until the day before the arrest and were wrong then and probably wrong about a lot now.

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Not me! On page 7 of this thread I stated "i think they will find him. may take a while, but police will put tons of effort into this case for a long time."

Three pretty white college girls aren't going to get murdered without there being a tremendous amount of police/fbi resources for as long as it takes to catch the criminal.

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That is no guarantee. 30 years later, the yogurt shop murders remain unsolved.

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The Hubs was at that scene, third call for firefighters. Saw the crime scene.

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What a nightmare. Don't imagine one ever forgets that.