I didn't say she passed out. And she absolutely could have been touching her phone alive on tik tok at 4:12. As I said i'm starting to wonder if he didn't go upstairs first, then kill off X/E on the way out.

All i'm saying is you can't use the 'active on tik tok' as a reference of anything other than her phone was on, unlocked and the app was on.

Sounds very plausible to me.

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so where was the suspect walking from? obviously wasn't coming down the stairs, or he would've been on top of DM when she opened her door.

also, were the sleuths wrong about DM the whole time in saying she was on the 1st floor, not knowing that one of the 1st floor bedrooms was not occupied?

what a weird home setup

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Bump.

This part is driving me crazy

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The girl that was the eyewitness was on the 2nd floor, the other survivor had a bedroom on the 1st floor. I believe the confusion came about because the cops have said from the beginning that the 2 survivors were on the 1st floor and didn't see anything, apparently this was done to protect the eyewitness.

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ah good call, didn't even think of that being intentional....thanks!

To lighten this up a little …. Any of you guys Kin to Columbo ?

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Thanks. I was in the bathroom at home depot one day. My phone started ringing. I can't remember what Caller ID said but when I answered they asked, "are you OK??" I was like "who TF is this?" It was a 911 dispatcher who said I'd called them and hung up. Not to my knowledge. Apparently, I guess I accidentally pressed and held the 9 button that dialed 911.

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We live in a rural area and when we first moved Mom in, needed a landline since cell service was very spotty and her eyesight was failing to be able to use a cell phone. That landline would sometimes get screwed up and a 911 call would be recorded as coming from the ranch house. We had the Sheriff's office show up twice knocking on the door asking if there was a problem. The second time, I asked the officers if there was something I needed to do to fix that reporting. He responded, "Nah, happens with landlines out here quite often, we'll just leave a note to call back first if one comes in from your number."

Oddly, I was not comforted by that.

This seems pretty accurate to me with one caveat, which is how Ethan seemingly didn't put up a fight. He must have been asleep and attacked while asleep. But how would he be asleep and not up fighting for his and Xana's life after Xana said "there's someone here" and was crying presumably after being wounded? Or if he was killed first, how was he killed while Xana was awake without her losing her **** and screaming at the top of her lungs? I wonder if she was in the bathroom right next to the room while he was killed, heard some commotion, came out to tell him someone was there, but found him already dead, and then she was killed too. I never participate in this kind of morbid speculation and am not a true crime fan at all, but this case is really bizarre and intrigues the hell out of me.

Been following the case pretty closely and agree with you. My assumption on the murders (initially) was the perpetrator killed Ethan and Xana first, but after learning this, I think he was targeting Madison and Kaylee, and was in the act of killing them when Xana heard him and made that comment. You have to wonder if Xana was asleep (or stayed quiet), would he have simply killed Madison and Kaylee and then left?

Also, it would explain why he left his leather sheath behind. My guess is he planned stay with Madison and Kaylee longer after killing them, but when he heard Xana awake, and fearing capture, he killed her and Ethan and then left in a panic (not knowing if Xana had called the police) which is why he left the sheath behind.

welp, he's also a Sigma Chi and being buddies with quite a few....he probably loves to get hammered. He could've been passed out or close to and certainly late night food delivery from jack in the box of all places would support that theory.

the bathroom theory is a good one too.

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welp, he's also a Sigma Chi and being buddies with quite a few....he probably loves to get hammered. He could've been passed out or close to and certainly late night food delivery from jack in the box of all places would support that theory.

the bathroom theory is a good one too.

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Yeah, they were for sure wasted. That may be all that is needed to explain it.

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welp, he's also a Sigma Chi and being buddies with quite a few....he probably loves to get hammered. He could've been passed out or close to and certainly late night food delivery from jack in the box of all places would support that theory.

the bathroom theory is a good one too.

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Yeah, they were for sure wasted. That may be all that is needed to explain it.

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This is where I'm leaning given some of the potential holes people have brought up. It makes a lot of sense. And he may very well have chosen a weekend night for that reason. I mean if he was stalking him for months, which it appears he was to some extent, he would know when they are going to go out and get hammered.

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Two people at a time, they had to be quick. If he's taking multiple minutes for each kill, he is waking people. I'm betting you could probably time each murder in seconds.

Geez makes me queasy typing those words. Lord have mercy.

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Macabre yes. But try it yourself making a stabbing motion and count how many downward thrusts or swipes you can make in a minute of time. It is quite a few. And then think of a boxer training on a speed ball.

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Just don't do this at your desk if multiple people can see you...

Yeah, it's 4am and he partied for a solid 4-5 hours. Was probably half-comatose.

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This seems pretty accurate to me with one caveat, which is how Ethan seemingly didn't put up a fight. He must have been asleep and attacked while asleep. But how would he be asleep and not up fighting for his and Xana's life after Xana said "there's someone here" and was crying presumably after being wounded? Or if he was killed first, how was he killed while Xana was awake without her losing her **** and screaming at the top of her lungs? I wonder if she was in the bathroom right next to the room while he was killed, heard some commotion, came out to tell him someone was there, but found him already dead, and then she was killed too. I never participate in this kind of morbid speculation and am not a true crime fan at all, but this case is really bizarre and intrigues the hell out of me.

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My guess is, Xana said someone is here relatively quietly, she was not yelling it or screaming it. The roommate could hear it, because she's awake and on the same floor with Xana and Ethan. Let's face it, that house had people coming and going all the time, and it could have been a one-night boyfriend of Kaylee or Madison slipping out after a short sleep-over. By the time Xana realized it was a real threat, she was already being attacked and stabbed. Ethan unfortunately did not awaken by the "someone is here" comment, as we keep in mind he is sleeping while Xana is ordering food, messing with TikTok, etc (she's already making noise). A soft comment like that, while curious about what is going on, is done in a manner to not wake your friends in the house. I think the perp was scared and Killed Xana pretty quickly, and jumped on Ethan before he had a chance to move or know what was going on. It also explains the crying noises heard, if he has stabbed Xana but not completely killed her, she would be crying while he is killing Ethan, before returning to Xana.

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Sorry guy, I had zero idea you were an attorney and certainly meant no offense. Just trying to set the record straight for the IANAL types who have been watching TV for all of their lives and hearing, "Means, motive and opportunity," as the holy mantra in murder trials. Simply is not true.

Again my apology if I offended you.

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I wonder if the cell phone tracking data put him near the scene of the dog that was "filleted/skinned" a few weeks before. It was only about 3 miles from the students house. That could have been testing his knife work.

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It would be somewhat rare for someone to kill 4 people without killing a single person or animal prior to that event.
It is almost a certainty that investigators are looking at any murders or animal killings that occurred around Pullman or Moscow in the months leading up to the massacre. Investigators may also be looking at any unsolved murders in any areas where BK had lived previously.

Not to derail the thread with 911 stories, but about 25 years ago I was working for a major company. One of our managers, AA female lived in an exclusive gated community and at the time, were about the only POC there. They were hosting a dinner party when cops showed up at their door, saying they were responding to a 911 call. She said they all looked at each other, knowing none of them called. The cops insisted on searching the house. When they got to the kids rooms, they asked their 10 year old daughter and 12 year old son if one if them had called. The daughter confessed saying that she was told to call 911 if someone was bothering her and her 12 year old brother was bothering her. LOL. All innocent, but the lady joked that they were ready to complain about racial harassment!

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Two people at a time, they had to be quick. If he's taking multiple minutes for each kill, he is waking people. I'm betting you could probably time each murder in seconds.

Geez makes me queasy typing those words. Lord have mercy.

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Macabre yes. But try it yourself making a stabbing motion and count how many downward thrusts or swipes you can make in a minute of time. It is quite a few. And then think of a boxer training on a speed ball.

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Just don't do this at your desk if multiple people can see you...

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Unless you are a criminal defense attorney, that is.

From the link: "On the morning of Nov. 13, the surviving roommates asked some of their friends to come to the house because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up.

At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call was made from one of the surviving roommates' cellphones seeking help for an unconscious person. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police arrived at the location."


This part is really strange. How does someone mistake someone killed with a knife as being simply unconscious?

Makes you wonder if he quietly suffocated the first person (911 call of unconscious), got suprised and then stabbed the others. The first two people in the affidavit had wounds from an "edged weapon" while the other two or reported to have died of stab wounds. Probably attempting to read too much into the affidavit in trying to make sense 911 call for an unconscious person.

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Makes you wonder if he quietly suffocated the first person (911 call of unconscious), got suprised and then stabbed the others.

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Unlikely. All of the first degree murder charges specifically stated murder by stabbing.

That would make sense. Hadn't thought of that angle.

After she saw a strange guy dressed like that that "froze" her and all that she heard? All 4 were passed out?

Perhaps she thought it was a terrible nightmare. After seeing and hearing something so terrible, perhaps she wanted to believe they were passed out and her encounter w the intruder was a figment of her imagination.

Who knows? DT was likely still in shock and probably wasn't thinking rationally

It's DM.

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Food delivery at 4am?

What?

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It is truly amazing how many apparent Aggies on this board seemingly never went to college. "Food delivery at 4 a.m.? What?" "How many restaurants are open 24 hours though?"

It's a ****ing college town. College. CO-LLEGE. Of course there's kids up and eating food at 4 a.m. Of course there's restaurants open 24 hours. I can't even count the number of times my roommates and I ended up at Whataburger in the middle of night after partying or ordering Gumby's at 3 a.m. If they had door dash back in 2008, we for sure would have done that too.

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I majored in engineering, you know the buildings where the bathroom stalls have half written math problems.

Don't remember ever making a 4am food run as I was hanging on by a thread or at least that is how I felt.

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I was at A&M in the 2.0 and Go days. I was definitely up at 4am. Was on the College of Engineering's scholastic probation list for 6 consecutive semesters. Only got off scho-pro when they handed me my diploma.

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I was also married and worked. Older student.

Still managed a 2.4

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From the link: "On the morning of Nov. 13, the surviving roommates asked some of their friends to come to the house because they believed one of the second-floor victims had passed out and was not waking up.

At 11:58 a.m., a 911 call was made from one of the surviving roommates' cellphones seeking help for an unconscious person. Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher before Moscow Police arrived at the location."


This part is really strange. How does someone mistake someone killed with a knife as being simply unconscious?

Makes you wonder if he quietly suffocated the first person (911 call of unconscious), got suprised and then stabbed the others. The first two people in the affidavit had wounds from an "edged weapon" while the other two or reported to have died of stab wounds. Probably attempting to read too much into the affidavit in trying to make sense 911 call for an unconscious person.

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Some of this was not put out truthfully in order to protect the survivors.

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Again my apology if I offended you.

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His screen name is perfect for him/her/it.

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Again my apology if I offended you.

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His screen name is perfect for him/her/it.

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How was I to know? He mentioned he wanted evidence of motive. I replied that is not necessary under legal standards. Which is completely true. But he got upset with me anyway.

most have not been focusing on what some of the information appears to show- we will get a better view of it during the trial.

but several of the reports have claimed one of the blondes had many more stab wounds than any of the others.

I'm calling the shot that Kohberger is a pretty big loser INCEL,

that he never was in romantic and intimate relationships, that he was filled with fury and anger at hot chicks who blew him off,

that somehow he came in contact with Kaylee or one of the other two,

that he became consumed with vengeance for how women wrong him.

the methods he used betray more an attack of passion than of cold calculating planning.

we all have picked out the numerous mistakes he made, this likely was his first murders based on the amateur hour of his mistakes (particularly for a 28 year old working on a PHD)

maybe one of his student at Wash State knew Kaylee or in one of his trips to Idaho he came across her.

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most have not been focusing on what some of the information appears to show- we will get a better view of it during the trial.

but several of the reports have claimed one of the blondes had many more stab wounds than any of the others.

I'm calling the shot that Kohberger is a pretty big loser INCEL,

that he never was in romantic and intimate relationships, that he was filled with fury and anger at hot chicks who blew him off,

that somehow he came in contact with Kaylee or one of the other two,

that he became consumed with vengeance for how women wrong him.

the methods he used betray more an attack of passion than of cold calculating planning.

we all have picked out the numerous mistakes he made, this likely was his first murders based on the amateur hour of his mistakes (particularly for a 28 year old working on a PHD)

maybe one of his student at Wash State knew Kaylee or in one of his trips to Idaho he came across her.

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WOW! That is a lot of supposition. And does not comport with what we know yet.

This may be improbable, but an interesting experiment as well as COMPLETE speculation:

Bethany Funke or Dylan Mortenson were involved with BK romantically or otherwise.

The reason he had been there so frequently wasn't stalking, it was visits to hook up with this girl he met on a dating app.

Dylan and Bethany may have known this guy.

If BK is innocent, it would be easy to frame him knowing he is coming over for a visit.

We don't know what time he left the house. All we know is what Dylan has said.

Perhaps one of the girls said she felt unsafe in the house. He gives her his knife to protect her.

All of this will be much easier to speculate on AFTER proceedings begin and we have more information, but as of now there are some things off with the stories.

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This may be improbable, but an interesting experiment as well as COMPLETE speculation:

Bethany Funke or Dylan Mortenson were involved with BK romantically or otherwise.

The reason he had been there so frequently wasn't stalking, it was visits to hook up with this girl he met on a dating app.

Dylan and Bethany may have known this guy.

If BK is innocent, it would be easy to frame him knowing he is coming over for a visit.

Perhaps one of the girls said she felt unsafe in the house. He gives her his knife to protect her.

All of this will be much easier to speculate on AFTER proceedings begin and we have more information, but as of now there are some things off with the stories.

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What are the things that are "off" with these stories so much that would lead anyone to believe at this point in time that's a realistic scenario? The fact the he didn't kill the girl that saw him and didn't call the cops for a while are both slightly odd but also pretty explainable in a more than believable manner.