University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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Really hoped the families would get some and of idea of how justice will be served before the Holidays. Lets pray for them and I want to thank all the Texags sleuths that's have been keeping us informed. I check this thread every day!

Happy Holidays to all!
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I check in here every now and then, so I'm not totally familiar with it all. But from what I can tell, I'm not sure they will ever solve this crime. Unless it becomes a serial type thing and they eventually catch the person.
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Anybody else think all the Internet sleuths on Reddit and Twitter are doing more harm than good?
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The Green Dragon said:

I check in here every now and then, so I'm not totally familiar with it all. But from what I can tell, I'm not sure they will ever solve this crime. Unless it becomes a serial type thing and they eventually catch the person.


Do they have the blood DNA results back yet? I find it impossible to believe someone can brutally kill four people with a large bladed weapon without leaving some blood of their own at the crime scene. When the blood comes back from testing and there is a fifth unidentified person's DNA there is your killer. I think eventually this is how they are going to catch the killer. Either he will be found in a DNA database or some relative will have DNA profiles up on one of the Geneology sites which will lead to the killer.
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Knowing how to use a knife properly helps.
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TexasRebel said:

Knowing how to use a knife properly helps.
But in at least a couple of cases with defensive wounds? Maybe hair/skin beneath fingernails? Doesn't seem good but also building a solid case would take more than 6 weeks so who knows.

Person Not Capable of Pregnancy
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DNA will be critical but it's far more complicated than "find a fifth persons DNA and that's your killer."

Party house will have DNA from others, too. And even if you find just one persons you have to prove they were there. You don't have a murder weapon, so that makes it harder as well.

They may pretty much know who it is and still not be able to make an arrest.
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yes, the blood evidence is the great hope.

would also help greatly if the killer is of European descent (from a DNA standpoint)
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

DNA will be critical but it's far more complicated than "find a fifth persons DNA and that's your killer."

Party house will have DNA from others, too. And even if you find just one persons you have to prove they were there. You don't have a murder weapon, so that makes it harder as well.

They may pretty much know who it is and still not be able to make an arrest.


If a fifth persons blood dna is mixed with the victims blood it isn't going to be a question of whether someone at a party a few days before left it there.
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Killer wore gloves and rental was a party house with dna everywhere on walls carpet furniture lamp shades doornobs tv ceiling fan box springs shower curtain picture frames ...
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Here's my take.

It was very cold that night. I suspect the killer had on heavy pants, boots, jacket, gloves, head and/or face covering and was not cut during the fracas and therefore no fifth blood trace element will surface. He carried a large military style knife and a tactical flashlight, but he probably doesn't own a handgun. May have bruising in days following or even discharged some type of bodily fluid other than blood such as snot, urine or tears but that would seem like a needle in a haystack type of luck evidence to secure. Bruises are long gone by now. No blood trail leaving the scene is particularly odd. Perhaps the perp even wore some kind of plastic outer wear like rain gear that he removed before vanishing into the night. Seems calculated and planned and neither spontaneous nor the blood lust of a serial killer, who left the downstairs roommates unharmed.

I deduce that Kaylee was the target, and Madison was necessary collateral damage since they were in the same room on third floor. Kaylee's wounds were substantially more traumatic according to the father, which would support some type of personal grudge. Further, the couple on the second floor was likely unintended consequence of a confrontation while fleeing the scene. Kaylee's father shared the coroner's comment that there was a "battle" on second floor/bedroom. It's also been reported that Xana had defensive wounds. So Ethan hears a disturbance, goes out into the living room to investigate and comes face to face with killer descending the stairs who attacks with effective precision and confrontation ends in bedroom where Xana also is killed during the melee. Killer closes both doors after attacks which auto lock with the digital locks. This is a futile, panic response from the perp in an attempt hide the shame of the crime and from casual observation. To me this screams amateur actor. Hence, hours late roommates downstairs observe or sense evidence of foul play and call friends to come to aid before one possibly faints during the ultimate 911 call.

Perp fled on foot, probably through second floor sliding door where he likely entered. He may have been hiding in waiting either in the back yard woods or even inside the home prior to their return. The murders commenced between 3:20 and 3:45. K&M had phone activity until almost 3 am, and in the cop's body cam during the MIP/PI event on the band field only a few minutes before 3:00 am you can see the second floor room light turned off (where X & E were found). So 20 minutes or more to pass out/fall asleep and then he strikes. Early risers are generally 4:30 ish so you'd want to be out of there by 4. He lives nearby or possibly escaped to a car in the vicinity. Maybe it's the white car. He's local, strong and psychopathic, and he left the area immediately or quickly enough the next day to dispose of the evidence. This was his first crime of murder. Further, he knew the dog inside the home well enough to neutralize his presence, which means one or all of them knew the killer.

This case doesn't seem that difficult to solve, yet it's gone cold and I don't expect an arrest any time soon if ever. I do not expect any of the early suspects circulated to be the killer. He's one or two degrees of separation, and possibly not a student. His family or friends are weary of recent behavior but do not suspect that he is the killer, and are keeping quiet. If he's a student then he will not return for next semester. If he's a local he will or has moved without notice, meaning he'll pay rent for a month or two to avoid suspicion and then vanish. He's definitely following the case anonymously on Reddit. He wants to know how close the investigation is to zeroing in on his description/identity, and he's emboldened every day that a theory describing him precisely isn't hatched. He will act out violently again until he is caught: think road rage or ambush assault rather than aggression at work, bar fight or domestic violence. He wants to keep a low profile, maintain his anonymity, but he has now killed and it will manifest in another act of violence.
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Damn, bro... Are you the killer?
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AustinAg2012 said:

Damn, bro... Are you the killer?


If not yet, he's got a hell of a plan in his head. Watch out for this guy haha. You should make movies or write murder mysteries my dude
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I had the same though.

But if you are following this case, you can see that what he has done is piece together in one place all the most discussed likely conclusions.
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I just have a hard time believing someone who doesn't have killing experience can kill 4 people with a knife when both pairs were in the same room. You would not only have to be extremely swift and effective but not hesitant at all. A gun would make more sense from an amateur standpoint but up close and personal killing of 4 people in the dead of night without one even having a chance to call 911 and no blood trail leaving the scene screams experience IMO. This was highly planned and calculated and seeing how this is still unsolved with no suspects seems like the killer was successful in covering his tracks. Something that would have to be extremely difficult for an amateur to do with 4 up close and personal attacks.

Good thought on the thick/heavy clothes though. That would definitely prevent scratching/cutting etc. and I think you're right he'd have to have had some sort of smock or covering he pulled off so there wasn't a blood trail. Probably would need to have removable shoe covers as well. Surprised nothing like that has been found though.
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Right, if removed they would have found them. If not, there would have been a trail.

To me, the knife tells you this person intends to get away with this. People use guns in crimes of passion and either know they will be caught or are so passionate they haven't thought about it. This person intentionally chose a weapon that would be hardest to hear and track.
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Yes, I've been following the case on Reddit and have attempted to distill the theories down to one that includes the most likely elements of the crimes based on the scattered information available. I think Maddie's bedroom door was open upstairs, and that Ethan later came out from behind a door that was closed/locked to investigate a commotion which is why I would place the third floor as the initial attack. I don't see a boyfriend/girlfriend sleeping on the main floor off the living room with an open bedroom door. And it appears that all bedroom doors were equipped with digital auto-locking devices. In the scenario I described, the perp probably bagged the bloody garments and left with them in a backpack, which would blend in to the casual observer, and may have removed footwear once in the house to walk more stealthily around the creaking floors and stairs. It's also possible that he removed a heavy coat once inside for more agility and simply covered up the blood by putting the coat back on to leave. I don't think he fled on foot towards the band field and Greek houses. LE was issuing citations there until at least 3:15 to 3:20 am. That's less than 100 yards to the house on a clear and direct path. Either he made an exit on foot through the back yard to another neighborhood or got in the white car nearby which is reported to have been captured on neighbor's security camera leaving the area to around 3:30 to 3:45 am. I don't think an accomplice was involved.
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ClickClackAg31 said:

I just have a hard time believing someone who doesn't have killing experience can kill 4 people with a knife when both pairs were in the same room. You would not only have to be extremely swift and effective but not hesitant at all. A gun would make more sense from an amateur standpoint but up close and personal killing of 4 people in the dead of night without one even having a chance to call 911 and no blood trail leaving the scene screams experience IMO. This was highly planned and calculated and seeing how this is still unsolved with no suspects seems like the killer was successful in covering his tracks. Something that would have to be extremely difficult for an amateur to do with 4 up close and personal attacks.

Good thought on the thick/heavy clothes though. That would definitely prevent scratching/cutting etc. and I think you're right he'd have to have had some sort of smock or covering he pulled off so there wasn't a blood trail. Probably would need to have removable shoe covers as well. Surprised nothing like that has been found though.
I don't think he intended to kill four people. I think he was there for only Kaylee. But he had enough conviction and endurance to see it through the extra three victims based on necessity. The third floor girls were probably quick. They were very drunk and would be easy targets. Whomever was second probably had just enough to time to scream. This could have awoken Ethan, who was a bigger athletic guy. So even impaired, he was a tall order and I think it started in the hallway but quickly moved back into the bedroom where Xana joined the fight unsuccessfully. So the killer definitely has some size and strength to him and was handy with a fixed blade. If he did have a flashlight as I suspect, the victims may also have non-knife injuries to the face/head area from the striking bezel on the flashlight, like alternating swings with the light and blade. It was very dark that night and the bedrooms would have been pitch black even with the fluorescent beer sign type decorations that were apparently always on in the living/kitchen area. Maybe he even grabbed blankets to wipe away blood after each incident. There had to be a lot of it. He closes the door to each bedroom and the victims are locked away from the roommates and not discovered for another 8 hours. He's long gone by then. Without a witness, DNA, fingerprints or video evidence this conviction will be elusive.
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Hard to believe this scenario and the police do not have a small list of acquaintances/encounters that fit the bill. This narrows it down to a male.
How many males has she encountered that are large in stature in the past year?
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Bluecat_Aggie94 said:

Right, if removed they would have found them. If not, there would have been a trail.

To me, the knife tells you this person intends to get away with this. People use guns in crimes of passion and either know they will be caught or are so passionate they haven't thought about it. This person intentionally chose a weapon that would be hardest to hear and track.


Or that's what he had access to. Could be he can't legally buy a gun or can't afford one.
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jt2hunt said:

Hard to believe this scenario and the police do not have a small list of acquaintances/encounters that fit the bill. This narrows it down to a male.
How many males has she encountered that are large in stature in the past year?

She was itty bitty. Kaylee was a small girl.
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I think you're think of Maddie. She was the tiny one.
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What if one of their parents has ties with some less than desirable groups. Maybe something they did sent a mafia boss' kid to prison. This was just a retaliatory hit.
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jt2hunt said:

Hard to believe this scenario and the police do not have a small list of acquaintances/encounters that fit the bill. This narrows it down to a male.
How many males has she encountered that are large in stature in the past year?

Well, unfortunately I think the only person who would really know is her best friend, now dead.
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*leery
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Ellis Wyatt said:

*leery
*wary not weary. It's a typo/auto-correct.
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Cam in club at 1:32am (Reddit link)

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So who is that supposed to be?
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JD. Not sure who's initials those are though.

Just what was on the Reddit thread
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JD is the ex. Is that really him? Hoodie guy in in the pic too. Speculation on Reddit that it could be photoshopped.photocopied.

Edit: they are also saying that is the police chief in black .
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Yeah the Reddit stuff is crazy. Even for the few minutes I just scrolled.

I have no idea who a lot of the initials are they keep talking about and who Adam is?

Fry was out of town though right with his wife?

Also saying maybe the time was not updated with Daylight Savings.
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Yep, some of those people have way too much free time on their hands. And all the initials reminds me of Robin Williams in Good Morning Vietnam.

And then they are using terms like "unalive".
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Regarding cameras, mine at home automatically adjust for DST and standard time. I would think those do too?
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Also the speculation that a poster only responds to post to defend Jack.

Is it Jack or a good friend?
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You would think, but there are some that have not updated their systems etc.
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