How would they determine the order of victims? Unless that is to say that there is a trail of blood or similar from one bedroom to the next. Would it be safe to say that once they determine who the first victim was, that it would be a strong leading indicator of where to pursue the investigation? But saying that, who is to say that maybe the last victim was the intended target, but he methodically worked to take out the others as he came across them?

I subscribe to the idea that he wasn't aware of the two other roommates on the bottom floor, as I think I read the killer possibly came into the house on the 2nd floor entrance.

I've gone back and forth so many damn times on this case, I really don't know what to think anymore.

I think it tells a lot. If the scene is that bloody, then this was not someone who was measured in their attack, who was not conscientious of the scene and the state that they left it, possibly indicating that they were not thinking so much of covering there tracks.

If it was in fact what we assume it is, then these scenes are going to be a great source of potential evidence in finding the ******* who did this to these poor kids.

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Read Dylan lawyered up and wont give a DNA test

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Where did you read it

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I'm interested about this as well. Hadn't seen this on any other reports.

Also, can we revisit the "leakage" that came from the house? I remember seeing in this thread about speculation of it being "heating oil" and not blood, but I have not seen that anywhere else.

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Arrest imminent?

This is a very interesting video of what I believe to be a FED (likely FBI) HRT/Tactical team going through the house for an hour. These are not evidence collectors/analysts. In the house and outside they hide their faces. In the house for an hour, mini van G ride, different state plates between the two vehicles. To me they want to get a sense of the killer. Sun Tzu "know your enemy". If this is correct the killer is either in another state or quite possibly linked to other murders (serial).



Where is the link to source of Dylan lawyered up?

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How would they determine the order of victims? Unless that is to say that there is a trail of blood or similar from one bedroom to the next. Would it be safe to say that once they determine who the first victim was, that it would be a strong leading indicator of where to pursue the investigation? But saying that, who is to say that maybe the last victim was the intended target, but he methodically worked to take out the others as he came across them?

I subscribe to the idea that he wasn't aware of the two other roommates on the bottom floor, as I think I read the killer possibly came into the house on the 2nd floor entrance.

I've gone back and forth so many damn times on this case, I really don't know what to think anymore.

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In order of your questions. DNA and particularly the mixture of different DNA in wounds and on sheets, carpet etc. can be used to possibly determine who was the first and then possibly the last. Presumption here is the same murder weapon for all four, there will be transference on subsequent victims.

Also, blood trails are another source as well as castoff.

As to the common assumption that the killer entered through the second floor sliding glass door, although still the possible point of entry, new evidence from a witness claims the front door on the lowest floor was open early in the morning the next day, after daylight. A passerby saw the door open between 7 and 8 AM was the report I heard. That ould be the point of egress, with the killer thinking he had closed it securely behind him but the wind blew it open later on, perhaps.

if the killer did not clean the knife after each murder...

then the final victim "should" have blood traces of the other 3 victims in their wounds or on their body / clothes.

conversely, the first victim should only have his or hers own blood on their body -- unless the killer double-backed and stabbed each one a few more times.

it's going to take time for investigators to sort all that out

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I think it tells a lot. If the scene is that bloody, then this was not someone who was measured in their attack, who was not conscientious of the scene and the state that they left it, possibly indicating that they were not thinking so much of covering there tracks.

If it was in fact what we assume it is, then these scenes are going to be a great source of potential evidence in finding the ******* who did this to these poor kids.

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The law knows exactly where the bodies fell. I'm not arguing the importance of documenting the crime scene. That's been done already.

If it's blood, what does it tell you, besides that someone bled out near a wall? Keep in mind the coroner said all died by stabbing. There is no "if" the scene was bloody.

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Time yes but not a month. Had the four reference points from each unique individual right away. With those examplars it is not that hard anymore to identify presence within a mixed sample.

Now I am assuming that the autopsies were very very detailed with the collection of blood evidence within the wounds themselves continuing throughout. Could be wrong about that though.

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No, they know where they found the bodies. Now they may have other evidence that corroborates that is where the entire attack started and ended with a specific victim but cannot rule out in the initial blush that the scene was not staged to some degree or other.

From the report posted today just above, those agents revisiting the scene in the last night or two, they are looking for something to corroborate or dispel a working theory of some sort as they were pretty targeted at where they were making their observations. Not taking anymore samples nor pictures, either.

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Time yes but not a month. Had the four reference points from each unique individual right away. With those examplars it is not that hard anymore to identify presence within a mixed sample.

Now I am assuming that the autopsies were very very detailed with the collection of blood evidence within the wounds themselves continuing throughout. Could be wrong about that though.

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Wiuld they be able to tell if wounds were made after the victims was deceased? Or are the murders so close together that it wouldn't matter?

I only ask because I could see a murderer going back like another poster stated and stab again to mess with autopsy reports and investigations

Of course I meant the terminal disposition of the bodies.

This is a stupid point of discussion.

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No, they know where they found the bodies. Now they may have other evidence that corroborates that is where the entire attack started and ended with a specific victim but cannot rule out in the initial blush that the scene was not staged to some degree or other.

From the report posted today just above, those agents revisiting the scene in the last night or two, they are looking for something to corroborate or dispel a working theory of some sort as they were pretty targeted at where they were making their observations. Not taking anymore samples nor pictures, either.

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You got the bold part from 10 seconds of video and the reporter saying there was a lot of activity in the well-lit house? Is this your conclusion, or did I mishear the reporter?

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You got the bold part from 10 seconds of video and the reporter saying there was a lot of activity in the well-lit house? Is this your conclusion, or did I mishear the reporter?

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That's what I heard her say. The two bedrooms, the kitchen which you have to pass through to get to the third floor as that where that staircase is located.

Two separate staircases and other partial step ups in that house.

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You got the bold part from 10 seconds of video and the reporter saying there was a lot of activity in the well-lit house? Is this your conclusion, or did I mishear the reporter?

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That's what I heard her say. The two bedrooms, the kitchen which you have to pass through to get to the third floor as that where that staircase is located.

Two separate staircases and other partial step ups in that house.

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So, everywhere a body was found, right? It's not a large house.

I have no doubt that their visit was purposeful. But, people posting that it indicates an imminent arrest (or anything other than LEO was there looking at/for something) are overstepping.

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I never said an arrest was imminent.

Was just commenting on the out of the ordinary very late revisit by a sizeable number of plainsclothed investigators.

(23) Police Release Bodycam Video from Night of Idaho Student Murders - YouTube

At the 26 second mark, the white vehicle parked on the street with what appears to be brake lights on?. Which make and model is that?

Does the cop later say that is his car as they have been taken out of patrol cars and given hybrids to cut down on fuel costs?

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Not you, JNABRFBR (or something).

Has to be the car they are looking for. I can't see a reason for the drunk college boys part being released, they obviously know who they are.

looks like a Hyundai Elantra

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Not you, JNABRFBR (or something).

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Maybe you need to reread my post. I posed a question; based on my experiences on a special operations team and ongoing training with the like, that these guys in the video from last night were not evidence gurus or even investigators but a group of door smashers with FED LE.

I can't think of any reason why door smashers would spend an hour have any other reason to be in the house taking nothing in and leaving with nothing. Maybe they are all edge weapon experts and are giving their input on how long and how physical they think it would have taken them, thought they should have done it separately to avoid group bias.

Couple more things... that video is cut... the group they show first appear again later, for some reason they put that in this clip twice.

However, that white car at the :26 second mark of the video, someone gets out of the car, and they are wearing all dark clothing. They blur out every other head/face except that one.

It is far away, so it may have not been deemed necessary, but I think that's the white Elantra and the purpose of showing the video.

Not sure why they have the other footage included but there must be a reason.

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What they are looking for? Is it a hybdrid?

If my memory serves, that is "parked" right in front of the narrow walkway that leads to steps that lead directly to the front door of the King's Road house. You can see that door from that street, named Taylor Road or Street.

Brake lights on suggest a driver is sitting there in the car, correct?

Or is that the hybrid car the officer says they were given to drive instead of patrol cars. (You know that kid wouldn't be walking across the street with beer if he saw a patrol car sitting there.)

Also.. on the girl not cooperating (if true)... her DNA would be all over the house, and surely she knows that. The cops need to be able to distinguish her's so they can disregard it when they find it, so long as they continue not to suspect her.

I don't point fingers to accuse her of being suspicious, unfortunately, many people's reaction to anything related to law enforcement is to not cooperate. Could be her lawyer just saying out of self preservation.

And last comment from the treasure trove of info today... the guy that reports now that he heard a scream, but didn't report it because "what good would it do now..." how foolish. Anybody ought to know that would be important. That would be THE most important clue to establishing a timeline. I suspect that's bogus. That's coming from someone who wants their share of the "I was a part of this" spotlight.

Thats not a white Elantra in the video

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Thats not a white Elantra in the video

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Do you mean the one early on or at the end? I think those are two different cars, but I can't tell make/model of either.

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Thats not a white Elantra in the video

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Which make and model is it then?

That is the cops car. It's a Ford Fusion.

The car at the end is the police car

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That is the cops car. It's a Ford Fusion.

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Thanks.

Could be a ford fusion?

Yeah I see, same car. But what about the white car to the right, when he's walking back to his car, there is another white car that could be the one they want? Visible from 1:55 - 2:02

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Yeah I see, same car. But what about the white car to the right, when he's walking back to his car, there is another white car that could be the one they want? Visible from 1:55 - 2:02

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thats not an elantra

Looks like arrest has been made?

yeah that looks like a Toyota Camry or corolla or something.

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Looks like arrest has been made?

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no thats a different case