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Xana's bedroom was right off the kitchen. So if the door was opened & Ethan struggled with the killer, they could have seen into the bedroom & saw the horror everywhere probably pretty easy. & I'm sure blood wasn't contained just to the bedrooms.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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aggiehawg said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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Not a good look if it ever goes to trial for the police to actively lie publicly.

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Shoefly! said:

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O chit! Was he dressed normal or in drag?

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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Unless dealt an incapacitating, fatal wound, it's reasonable to assume one would rapidly awaken upon being stabbed. Equally reasonable to assume some might instinctively fight until they've bled out.

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Autopsies confirmed that all four died from multiple stab wounds and that all were likely asleep when the attacks started. Some victims showed defensive wounds. None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, the coroner said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article269329042.html#storylink=cpy

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up. Multiple people there talked with the 911 dispatcher before officers arrived, the Moscow Police Department said.

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Police have given little information about a possible motive for the killings, but law enforcement have repeatedly said they believe it to be a "targeted attack." They have declined to give further information about what led to that belief.

"To be honest, you're going to have to trust us on that at this point because we're not going to release why we think that," Moscow Police Capt. Roger Lanier said last week. At another press conference, Fry declined to say whether the attack was carried out by a single person or multiple people, and could not say whether one of the roommates was explicitly targeted.

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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gotsand said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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Unless dealt an incapacitating, fatal wound, it's reasonable to assume one would rapidly awaken upon being stabbed. Equally reasonable to assume some might instinctively fight until they've bled out.

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My point is on here and other places I'm reading people keep using the term lying by the police and I did it as well, I don't believe telling half truths or withholding information is lying. Especially in an investigation like this.

Not to mention if you have proof recorded behind the scenes. "we know XYZ we are however going to report it this way to intentionally mislead the perp" I don't believe that would be held against a prosecution.

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gotsand said:

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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I don't recall the exact verbiage but there has been some waffling on how the victims were described. Where they were located, whether they were in bed or not, who's room they were in etc.

Could it be, possible that is something they're intentionally lying about. And therefore if the 911 call explains that it isn't true. Maybe Ethan was in a hallway or kitchen as described they're withholding that info as privileged and just saying they were all killed in bed presumably asleep? For instance their official report uses the term presumably asleep but that contradicts that some had defensive wounds meaning they weren't asleep.

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Unless dealt an incapacitating, fatal wound, it's reasonable to assume one would rapidly awaken upon being stabbed. Equally reasonable to assume some might instinctively fight until they've bled out.

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My point is on here and other places I'm reading people keep using the term lying by the police and I did it as well, I don't believe telling half truths or withholding information is lying. Especially in an investigation like this.

Not to mention if you have proof recorded behind the scenes. "we know XYZ we are however going to report it this way to intentionally mislead the perp" I don't believe that would be held against a prosecution.

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I know one thing, I could never understand anyone having the capacity to do something like this.

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This is personally what I find most troubling about these types of crimes. It is slightly comforting sometimes when you can chalk up a horrific act of violence to some schizophrenic having a psychotic episode. But when it's a high functioning, competent socio/psychopath like this, it is pretty damn scary.

Not sure if many of yall remember Thomas Johnson, a promising young freshman stud WR for A&M in 2012 (helped us beat Bama). People were were perplexed when they heard rumors of him just quitting football after his freshman year...then moreso to hear accounts from teammates about him believing he was the "voice of God" or that "God spoke to him" or something along those lines....fast fwd a couple of years and he winds up in the news for hacking up an unsuspecting jogger with a machete in East Dallas early one morning. Now doing life in prison.

Something like that is terrifying and barbaric enough, but someone like that was never going to get away with it in such a deranged condition. The fact that there is a guy out there somewhere operating freely and blending in with unsuspecting society at large, probably interacting up close and personal with at least a handful of people a day, who has such little capacity for empathy that he would violently kill 4 people in their sleep with a knife, is just something that really creeps me out. Someone very likely came face to face with him today or almost brushed elbows and has no idea.

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My point is on here and other places I'm reading people keep using the term lying by the police and I did it as well, I don't believe telling half truths or withholding information is lying. Especially in an investigation like this.

Not to mention if you have proof recorded behind the scenes. "we know XYZ we are however going to report it this way to intentionally mislead the perp" I don't believe that would be held against a prosecution.

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Autopsies confirmed that all four died from multiple stab wounds and that all were likely asleep when the attacks started. Some victims showed defensive wounds. None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, the coroner said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article269329042.html#storylink=cpy

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up. Multiple people there talked with the 911 dispatcher before officers arrived, the Moscow Police Department said.

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Police have given little information about a possible motive for the killings, but law enforcement have repeatedly said they believe it to be a "targeted attack." They have declined to give further information about what led to that belief.

"To be honest, you're going to have to trust us on that at this point because we're not going to release why we think that," Moscow Police Capt. Roger Lanier said last week. At another press conference, Fry declined to say whether the attack was carried out by a single person or multiple people, and could not say whether one of the roommates was explicitly targeted.

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So the friends were called to the house before the 911 call. That strongly suggests the surviving roommates did not stumble upon a bloody scene.

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aggiehawg said:

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Autopsies confirmed that all four died from multiple stab wounds and that all were likely asleep when the attacks started. Some victims showed defensive wounds. None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, the coroner said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article269329042.html#storylink=cpy

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up. Multiple people there talked with the 911 dispatcher before officers arrived, the Moscow Police Department said.

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Police have given little information about a possible motive for the killings, but law enforcement have repeatedly said they believe it to be a "targeted attack." They have declined to give further information about what led to that belief.

"To be honest, you're going to have to trust us on that at this point because we're not going to release why we think that," Moscow Police Capt. Roger Lanier said last week. At another press conference, Fry declined to say whether the attack was carried out by a single person or multiple people, and could not say whether one of the roommates was explicitly targeted.

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So the friends were called to the house before the 911 call. That strongly suggests the surviving roommates did not stumble upon a bloody scene.

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aggiehawg said:

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Autopsies confirmed that all four died from multiple stab wounds and that all were likely asleep when the attacks started. Some victims showed defensive wounds. None of the victims showed signs of sexual assault, the coroner said.

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article269329042.html#storylink=cpy

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up. Multiple people there talked with the 911 dispatcher before officers arrived, the Moscow Police Department said.

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Police have given little information about a possible motive for the killings, but law enforcement have repeatedly said they believe it to be a "targeted attack." They have declined to give further information about what led to that belief.

"To be honest, you're going to have to trust us on that at this point because we're not going to release why we think that," Moscow Police Capt. Roger Lanier said last week. At another press conference, Fry declined to say whether the attack was carried out by a single person or multiple people, and could not say whether one of the roommates was explicitly targeted.

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So the friends were called to the house before the 911 call. That strongly suggests the surviving roommates did not stumble upon a bloody scene.

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Summoned....not called. Stumbling outside or going to a neighbor or people walking by as you hysterically exit the house while calling 911 is summoning without calling.

Your bolded section also says they were found on the 2nd and 3rd floors....not found in their beds again allowing for someone to be found or stumbled upon

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Moye lives in a home behind the crime scene. She said she did not go to the home on the morning of Nov. 13, when police said officers arrived to find multiple people already inside.

When asked about the possibility that the killer might have passed through her yard, she responded, "It's definitely something that's crossed my mind and that's really terrifying."

She said she and many of her classmates typically walked to campus for class, and that she has often used a shortcut that passes through the parking lot behind the victims' home.

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I just read where the targeted person was stabbed 42 times

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Which one was the target? Where did you see that? Having that information should start to narrow down the suspect list.

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aggiehawg said:

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Aries said:

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Xana's bedroom was right off the kitchen. So if the door was opened & Ethan struggled with the killer, they could have seen into the bedroom & saw the horror everywhere probably pretty easy. & I'm sure blood wasn't contained just to the bedrooms.

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True. I had speculated before that the scenes of the bodies being found in bed might have been staged by the killer. Seems a waste of valuable time but who knows?

But the cops generally withhold information, not spread false info. They are withholding the 911 call for some reason, though.

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up.

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So not really a key component, but the girls were on one floor and the couple was on the other floor presumably?

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Lonestar_Ag09 said:

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That is an inaccurate layout from before the top floor was added. note the lack of the back staircase to go up. it is roughly where the table is located on your map

The downstairs girls would have to pass the hall/doorway to the couples room to get to the kitchen either way

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The two surviving roommates had been out that night but were not together. Police have said both were home by about 1 a.m. on Sunday and would have been in the house at the time of the attack. They were unharmed and did not wake up until late Sunday morning, according to police.

Both had bedrooms on the first floor. The victims were found on the second and third floors two on each floor. Police would not specify which victims were where.

Police revealed that the 911 call was made from inside the house on one of the surviving roommates' cellphones. The surviving roommates summoned friends to the house because they believed one of the victims on the second floor had passed out and was not waking up.

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So not really a key component, but the girls were on one floor and the couple was on the other floor presumably? So much going on, but I thought it was established the guy didn't actually live there? So either the moment of hysteria was when survivors thought one of the girl's was passed out or didn't know that the guy was sleeping over because the statement said "one of the victims".

Or it's all just micro-dissecting non important language.

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