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Perhaps it's because the sentencing hearing is set for July 23rd and although the plea deal outlines the sentence Hippler is not bound by it and could theoretically impose a different penalty? Is that perhaps appealable?

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Why would it be? Prosecution cannot appeal a sentence. And why would the defense team appeal if it is less time and parole at some point might be possible? Such as concurrent and not consecutive sentences?

So, no.

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Hippler also noted that he is unlikely to unseal much evidence until after the appeals period has run.

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I guess I don't understand why there would be any appeals with a guilty plea.

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You aren't the only one, since the guilty plea specifically waived any rights to appeal. He pled guilty to four counts of murder, life without parole as the sentences.

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Within like 30 days he could make an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal, but it's obviously ridiculously unlikely.

Check Garza v Idaho

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Within like 30 days he could make an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal, but it's obviously ridiculously unlikely.

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And who would make that appeal for him? Another PD? A pro bono crim lawyer who wanted to sabotage their career?

Look, I understand Judge Hippler is crossing every minute T and dotting every tiny I here because of how notorious this case is but he does not need to announce it. Just don't rule on it until after the tickler date says he can.

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Within like 30 days he could make an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal, but it's obviously ridiculously unlikely.

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And who would make that appeal for him?

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Yeah, I'm guessing Ann Taylor won't be making the ineffective assistance of counsel appeal.

Like it said, it's not at all likely, but it is possible

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14914715/Idaho-murders-Bryan-Kohberger-reconstruction-DEEP-DIVE.html

Daily Mail made a Deep Dive interactive page on the murders.

Little surprise the surviving roommates transferred to other schools.

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Within like 30 days he could make an ineffective assistance of counsel appeal, but it's obviously ridiculously unlikely.

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Yeah, I'm guessing Ann Taylor won't be making the ineffective assistance of counsel appeal.

Like it said, it's not at all likely, but it is possible

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No she won't.

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Little surprise the surviving roommates transferred to other schools.

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There'd be no question I'd be transferring far from the school if anything 1/10th as bad as what happened here, happened to me

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I usually cringe when he weighs in on stuff so non presidential, but in this case, I applaud it....because we all selfishly want to know more

If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, do they even have a case on this guy?

All the surveillance of his car was a White Hyundai Elantra ...I don't recall they got a license plate and in fact originally had the wrong year.

But once they got his DNA, and found a link thru one of the genetic genealogy web site, they had a suspect, then found his car (White Hyundai Elantra) registered to him and the chase was on.

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If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, do they even have a case on this guy?

All the surveillance of his car was a White Hyundai Elantra ...I don't recall they got a license plate and in fact originally had the wrong year.

But once they got his DNA, and found a link thru one of the genetic genealogy web site, they had a suspect, then found his car (White Hyundai Elantra) registered to him and the chase was on.

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They found the car before they got the DNA.

It was still in November I think three days after the FBI BOLO went out about a white sedan that a WSU police found his car which was registered in PA but had just switched plates to WA. I think that led to some suspicion. They even got a search warrant on his cell phone number he had given police on a previous traffic stop and saw it's location as leaving Pullman at 2:42 am heading south and then it turns off and is picked up again at 4:48am heading back on the night of the murder.

Since that tracked with the time of the murders they were onto him already.

So even without the DNA they had a good idea it was him. The DNA link came later after he had returned to PA with his dad and they got some trash and the genetic DNA link to the sheath.

I do think without the sheath they have a lot of circumstantial evidence but probably not enough to convict.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/university-of-idaho-students-stabbings-bryan-kohberger-white-hyundai-elantra-car-vehicle-search/

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If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, do they even have a case on this guy?

All the surveillance of his car was a White Hyundai Elantra ...I don't recall they got a license plate and in fact originally had the wrong year.

But once they got his DNA, and found a link thru one of the genetic genealogy web site, they had a suspect, then found his car (White Hyundai Elantra) registered to him and the chase was on.

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They found the car before they got the DNA.

It was still in November I think three days after the FBI BOLO went out about a white sedan that a WSU police found his car which was registered in PA but had just switched plates to WA. I think that led to some suspicion. They even got a search warrant on his cell phone number he had given police on a previous traffic stop and saw it's location as leaving Pullman at 2:42 am heading south and then it turns off and is picked up again at 4:48am heading back on the night of the murder.

Since that tracked with the time of the murders they were onto him already.

So even without the DNA they had a good idea it was him. The DNA link came later after he had returned to PA with his dad and they got some trash and the genetic DNA link to the sheath.

I do think without the sheath they have a lot of circumstantial evidence but probably not enough to convict.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/university-of-idaho-students-stabbings-bryan-kohberger-white-hyundai-elantra-car-vehicle-search/

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The surveillance video of a White Hyundai driving around the block a few times, leaving at the time of the murder and then the cell phone data seems pretty thin to even get a search warrant on his car or apartment. IIRC, there were a bunch of White Hyundai's registered in the school database?

Hell, if he just learns to read a map and leave his phone at home and drives with out the phone they got nothing but grainy White Hyundai driving around and speeding away.

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Hell, if he just learns to read a map and leave his phone at home and drives with out the phone they got nothing but grainy White Hyundai driving around and speeding away.

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No kidding. I was watching the Prime documentary series the other night and when they talked about how he drove for a few minutes toward Idaho then turned his phone off, then back on when he was driving south of Mosco I was wondering why the hell he didn't just turn it off for 5 hours or so. If he had done that and not F'd up and left the sheath then he probably would have gotten away with it. Glad he didn't though!

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Hell, if he just learns to read a map and leave his phone at home and drives with out the phone they got nothing but grainy White Hyundai driving around and speeding away.

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Or use a burner phone.

If he leaves the phone at home and doesn't drop the sheath, he walks. At best, all they end up with are grainy car images, some cell records that indicate he was in the area in the past, and maybe some internet searches to buy a knife if a judge lets them go for enough for a search warrant. However, without the sheath, they also have no definitive type of knife used. So it's just a knife search that was maybe the profile vs THE type of knife used

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If he leaves the phone at home and doesn't drop the sheath, he walks

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He never gets identified, much less charged.

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If he doesn't drop the knife sheath, do they even have a case on this guy?

All the surveillance of his car was a White Hyundai Elantra ...I don't recall they got a license plate and in fact originally had the wrong year.

But once they got his DNA, and found a link thru one of the genetic genealogy web site, they had a suspect, then found his car (White Hyundai Elantra) registered to him and the chase was on.

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They found the car before they got the DNA.

It was still in November I think three days after the FBI BOLO went out about a white sedan that a WSU police found his car which was registered in PA but had just switched plates to WA. I think that led to some suspicion. They even got a search warrant on his cell phone number he had given police on a previous traffic stop and saw it's location as leaving Pullman at 2:42 am heading south and then it turns off and is picked up again at 4:48am heading back on the night of the murder.

Since that tracked with the time of the murders they were onto him already.

So even without the DNA they had a good idea it was him. The DNA link came later after he had returned to PA with his dad and they got some trash and the genetic DNA link to the sheath.

I do think without the sheath they have a lot of circumstantial evidence but probably not enough to convict.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/university-of-idaho-students-stabbings-bryan-kohberger-white-hyundai-elantra-car-vehicle-search/

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The surveillance video of a White Hyundai driving around the block a few times, leaving at the time of the murder and then the cell phone data seems pretty thin to even get a search warrant on his car or apartment. IIRC, there were a bunch of White Hyundai's registered in the school database?

Hell, if he just learns to read a map and leave his phone at home and drives with out the phone they got nothing but grainy White Hyundai driving around and speeding away.

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I agree but that is what they got the warrant based on so they clearly did not need the DNA in order to get it. At least for the phone location data which then lined up with the timeframe. They didn't get a warrant to search his apartment or anything else just the cell phone info.

Sure there may have been a lot of white cars that matched the description but they looked for an Elantra specifically.

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On Nov. 25, the Moscow Police Department asked regional law enforcement to look for a white Elantra. Three nights later, a WSU police officer ran a query for any white Elantras on campus.

One came back as having a Pennsylvania license plate and being registered to Kohberger. Within half an hour, another campus officer located the vehicle parked at Kohberger's apartment complex. It came back as having Washington state tags. Five days after the killings, Kohberger had switched the registration from Pennsylvania, his home state, to Washington, the affidavit said.

Investigators now had a name to go on, and further investigation yielded more clues. Kohberger's driver's license described him as 6 feet tall and 185 pounds, and his license photo showed him to have bushy eyebrows all details consistent with a description of the attacker given by a surviving roommate, the affidavit said.

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If he leaves the phone at home and doesn't drop the sheath, he walks

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Depends on how you define "identified". The white elantra and his previous traffic stop where they got his cell # led them to pulling his cell records, and his cell records that night were suspicious. If his cell looked normal, I still think they take a hard look given his background and fitting the physical description. They did technically identify him without either tho

I've forgotten a bit, but was he kicked out of school before or after?

If he was kicked out of school and headed back to PA, what reason, other than deception, would he switch his vehicle registration to WA?

What about the Amazon search for the K-Bar knife? They could have brought him in off the traffic stops and on the basic description. He wouldn't have been able to provide the knife.

Problematic for him for sure to explain. However, without the knife sheath, all they have are dimensions on a knife vs knowing it was that specific type of knife.

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I've forgotten a bit, but was he kicked out of school before or after?

If he was kicked out of school and headed back to PA, what reason, other than deception, would he switch his vehicle registration to WA?

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After. He got kicked out of some form of law enforcement program 10+ years ago in HS, but pretty sure he was in good standing on his current program. He was just headed to PA for the holidays

I think they could have eventually gotten to him as a suspect with the white Elantra and witness description combined with the weird behavior at WSU, but they wouldn't have had enough evidence to arrest and charge him without the sheath.

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I've forgotten a bit, but was he kicked out of school before or after?

If he was kicked out of school and headed back to PA, what reason, other than deception, would he switch his vehicle registration to WA?

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After. He got kicked out of some form of law enforcement program 10+ years ago in HS, but pretty sure he was in good standing on his current program. He was just headed to PA for the holidays

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He was formally fired from his TA position on December 19th. He likely knew it was coming due to the meetings he had throughout the semester and warnings he was given.

Coincidentally, December 19th is also the day the FBI came back with the tip that Kohberger was the person who's DNA was on the sheath based on the IGG investigation.

He might've gotten away with it, but only until he messed up again, at least if the homicide team is worth a damn. By all indications, he seems like an aspiring serial offender, so likely would've been a matter of time and he'd have been on the LE radar early into his career (assuming this was his first).

Yep, this is where I'm at too. Hard to say how the investigation may have played out exactly, and maybe he eventually slips up in some other way if they surveilled him over time. But I think they identify him, have a strong suspicion he's the guy, but proving it would have been brutal. Hard to get a charge, much less a conviction.

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Depends on how you define "identified". The white elantra and his previous traffic stop where they got his cell # led them to pulling his cell records, and his cell records that night were suspicious. If his cell looked normal, I still think they take a hard look given his background and fitting the physical description. They did technically identify him without either tho

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You missed the full hypothetical. No cell phone records to pull had he left it at home or used a burner. They never had a clear plate number, just that there was not one on the front, if memory serves. Changing over his registration to WA instead of just renewing in PA? He easily could escape detection.

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I've forgotten a bit, but was he kicked out of school before or after?

If he was kicked out of school and headed back to PA, what reason, other than deception, would he switch his vehicle registration to WA?

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After. He got kicked out of some form of law enforcement program 10+ years ago in HS, but pretty sure he was in good standing on his current program. He was just headed to PA for the holidays

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He was formally fired from his TA position on December 19th. He likely knew it was coming due to the meetings he had throughout the semester and warnings he was given.

Coincidentally, December 19th is also the day the FBI came back with the tip that Kohberger was the person who's DNA was on the sheath based on the IGG investigation.

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But he was still a student, just not a TA, correct? So not exactly in good standing, but still there?

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Depends on how you define "identified". The white elantra and his previous traffic stop where they got his cell # led them to pulling his cell records, and his cell records that night were suspicious. If his cell looked normal, I still think they take a hard look given his background and fitting the physical description. They did technically identify him without either tho

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You missed the full hypothetical. No cell phone records to pull had he left it at home or used a burner. They never had a clear plate number, just that there was not one on the front, if memory serves. Changing over his registration to WA instead of just renewing in PA? He easily could escape detection.

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What do you mean? You said they never identify him without the cellphone or the sheath. They liked him enough to search his cell records without either. That's all I was replying to.

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What do you mean? You said they never identify him without the cellphone or the sheath. They liked him enough to search his cell records without either.

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And if they searched his cell phone records, SHOWING HE WAS IN HIS APARTMENT?

Because his phone was there that night? Then what?

Motive is not an element of murder but means and opportunity are. There was a very long drawn out fight over his "alibi" claim. His phone doesn't ping those towers? Lose proof of opportunity. AND lose probable cause for a search warrant for his car, in my view.

So again, take out the knife sheaf DNA, his cellphone records, which evidence connects him to that crime? His car would not be enough, again, in my view. Maybe enough to warrant a visit to try to ask him questions because of his car but not more than that unless he screwed up the interview. "I was at home."

Not sure why you are trying to pick an argument here lol. Yes, I have repeatedly posted that it would be hard to charge or convict him. You just posted that they would have never even identified him without the cellphone records and sheath, and all I did was respond that it depends on how you define "identified" because they did indeed "identify" him without those things. Now lock it down enough for an arrest warrant or conviction? Very tough without a slip-up on his part. But I think they had enough to really like him as a suspect regardless. They aren't walking away just because the cell was at home.

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I've forgotten a bit, but was he kicked out of school before or after?

If he was kicked out of school and headed back to PA, what reason, other than deception, would he switch his vehicle registration to WA?

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After. He got kicked out of some form of law enforcement program 10+ years ago in HS, but pretty sure he was in good standing on his current program. He was just headed to PA for the holidays

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He was formally fired from his TA position on December 19th. He likely knew it was coming due to the meetings he had throughout the semester and warnings he was given.

Coincidentally, December 19th is also the day the FBI came back with the tip that Kohberger was the person who's DNA was on the sheath based on the IGG investigation.

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But he was still a student, just not a TA, correct? So not exactly in good standing, but still there?

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His TA job and student status is all under the umbrella of FERPA, but it does seem like he lost his TA job and was not kicked out of the PhD program, but without the TA job, he might not have been able to continue on in the program. After the arrest, all Wazzu could say was that he was not currently enrolled in the school.

The investigators did say they believe he planned to return to the program.

Not picking an argument. Analyzing what they had and when they had it, leading to next steps or a deadend.

Building a crim case is not near as easy as filing a civil case.

There is a very valid reason the term "cops caught a lucky break," was created. Take those "lucky breaks" away?

let me put it another way. To paraphrase a Mickey Rourke character in the 1980s movie Bodyheat

"You try a decent crime, there are 50 ways you can eff up. You are a genius if you think of 25 of them. And you counselor, are no genius."

WARNING: Language!

Did he rent the apartment fully furnished? if not, where did the furniture go?