I don't understand why he's not vocally stating it's not him.

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I don't understand why he's not vocally stating it's not him.

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Agreed. Almost like he's tormenting the family through lawyers for fun. Can't imagine the famililes having to live through this nightmare every day without any firm date on when it might be over.

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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I don't understand why he's not vocally stating it's not him.

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Agreed. Almost like he's tormenting the family through lawyers for fun. Can't imagine the famililes having to live through this nightmare every day without any firm date on when it might be over.

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if hes the psychopath that he could be then he has no remorse or empathy for others and is enjoying this process. also likely wants to prove hes so smart he can literally get away with murder.

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48 Hours recently did a show on this case. Apparently, some of the parents have been doing their own investigation and fed that info to the network.

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They (the Goncalves family) was pretty involved in this mini docu series. Completely understand his want to pressure and push things but the police/feds were obviously waaayyy ahead of everyone else (as they should be).

Here's the trailer.

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agcrock2005 said:

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MsDoubleD81 said:

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I don't understand why he's not vocally stating it's not him.

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Agreed. Almost like he's tormenting the family through lawyers for fun. Can't imagine the famililes having to live through this nightmare every day without any firm date on when it might be over.

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if hes the psychopath that he could be then he has no remorse or empathy for others and is enjoying this process. also likely wants to prove hes so smart he can literally get away with murder.

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Agree. Most innocents are not going to want to rot in jail for 2 years awaiting trial. Some of it I get as far as making sure you are ready to put on the best defense possible, but this sure seems like more than that

Wow I'd forgotten about this one, never heard what supposedly happened. Is there a good recap somewhere? I went back several pages and didn't see one.

He's doing exactly what he needs to do at this point. He's kept his mouth shut and he's trusting his attorney.

His attorney is rightfully concerned about pretrial publicity and is rightfully concerned about the slow pace of discovery. There are some chunks missing out of the cell phone data. He and his attorney cannot possibly go to trial with the lack of evidence turned over so far. If I'm not mistaken the state has yet to turn over the workflows that led to his DNA profile being matched to the knife sheath.

There are also terabytes of data to sift through.

At the timing is also being impacted by the judge scheduling hearing after hearing after hearing to talk about other hearings and to set dates for more hearings.

One of the primary reasons the trial is not yet taken place is the delay in discovery but also the unwillingness of the state and the judge to move the trial to another location like Boise. The state wanted the trial to take place during the summer so that there would be hotel availability and school would be out of session, reducing traffic and helping with logistics.

has the connection to the 4 victims ever been established?

(or released)

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Wow I'd forgotten about this one, never heard what supposedly happened. Is there a good recap somewhere? I went back several pages and didn't see one.

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Rando grad stud student from neighboring wazzu is the accused. Don't *think* he has any significant link to the students murdered nor have they said a motive yet.

Weird guy, has some weird reddit stuff, criminal science studies. Got in trouble at wazzu (harassment or creep stuff) and moved back to PA where he was arrested.

Phone puts him in area at time of murder but is inconsistent. His alibi is that he likes to drive around alone in rural America... took a long drive at 2am and then suddenly turned around and headed home right after the murder (4am). It's normally a 10mile drive, he took a longer (45mile) route both ways.

Believe they also have cell data of him returning to scene of the crime next day (perhaps before reported?)

Was on FBI radar during his move back to PA, cops in Indiana stopped him twice for traffic stops to really check for any defensive wounds and appears to be some on the cams.

One really interesting thing to be learned will be what the hell was going on with the roommates that were there that night and didn't call the cops for hours.

The docuseries I posted the trailer of talks about a Snapchat chat group of students that knew about the murders (likely from the roomates) before the cops, and may have congregated outside the house before it was reported. The logs from that chat group were all erased and are (implied) evidence in the trial. Lots of wild speculation that it may have been a drug clean up, detox or remove evidence kind of thing.

There was also a knife sheath at the crime scene with his DNA on it

Doh, Thanks, I wrote that but apparently lost that sentence when editing before posting.

His DNA on kabar sheath is the most incriminating thing linking him to the scene obviously.

Idaho judge rules on Bryan Kohberger's motion to change venue in student murder trial

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An Idaho judge has granted suspected quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger's request to have his trial moved out of Latah County, where he is accused of killing four college students in an early morning home invasion attack.

Judge John Judge's order was unsealed Monday, moving the trial to an unspecified new location, possibly the larger Ada County -- and finding that massive media coverage of the case could taint the local jury in and around Moscow, where the attack took place.

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agcrock2005 said:

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Idaho judge rules on Bryan Kohberger's motion to change venue in student murder trial

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An Idaho judge has granted suspected quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger's request to have his trial moved out of Latah County, where he is accused of killing four college students in an early morning home invasion attack.

Judge John Judge's order was unsealed Monday, moving the trial to an unspecified new location, possibly the larger Ada County -- and finding that massive media coverage of the case could taint the local jury in and around Moscow, where the attack took place.

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Wow, that's pretty huge.

aggiepanic95 said:

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agcrock2005 said:

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Idaho judge rules on Bryan Kohberger's motion to change venue in student murder trial

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An Idaho judge has granted suspected quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger's request to have his trial moved out of Latah County, where he is accused of killing four college students in an early morning home invasion attack.

Judge John Judge's order was unsealed Monday, moving the trial to an unspecified new location, possibly the larger Ada County -- and finding that massive media coverage of the case could taint the local jury in and around Moscow, where the attack took place.

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Wow, that's pretty huge.

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if the judge is worried about that - moving to Boise is not going to be any less tainted.

I hate that this bookmark keeps getting deleted

It also helps with logistics. Moscow is a small college town with minimal hotel and other resource availability, especially during the school year. The judge was already worried about witnesses being able to find accommodations during the trial. Also concerned about traffic and parking.

Sending it to the most populous county will at least give them a shot of finding jurors who are more willing to be fair and not subject to so much local pressure.

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Judge wrote that he based his decision on the "totality" of factors, including legal and logistical concerns, expert testimony and the concerns of lawyers on both sides.

"This Court orders a transfer of venue 'without specifying the new place of venue' and refers 'the case to the administrative director of the courts for assignment by the Supreme Court to a court of proper venue in another judicial district and assignment of a specific judge to preside in the criminal proceeding,'" Judge wrote.

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Guess that gets it off of his docket. I would expect a new judge will cause further delay while they get up to speed? There have been many many pretrial motions and rulings in this case.

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It also helps with logistics. Moscow is a small college town with minimal hotel and other resource availability, especially during the school year. The judge was already worried about witnesses being able to find accommodations during the trial. Also concerned about traffic and parking.

Sending it to the most populous county will at least give them a shot of finding jurors who are more willing to be fair and not subject to so much local pressure.

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Mr. Matlock,

Has a motive been set for why this man may have killed these 4 girls?

It is smart for the judge to move the case to a more populace county. This is cutting down the avenue for appeals.

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has the connection to the 4 victims ever been established?

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Hard to know whats real or not, but apparently he was a regular at the vegan restaurant that one of the victims worked at. He allegedly followed 3 of the victims on Instagram and sent multiple DM's to one of the victims that went unanswered.

https://people.com/crime/idaho-murders-suspect-bryan-kohberger-messaged-victim-instagram-says-source/

I'm guessing that's some sort of standard procedure in idaho? I have no idea. If I'm not mistaken he also wrote that he wants to stay on the case.

Despite holding multiple press conferences and doing interviews before the judge finally issued a gag order in the case, no one seems to have discussed motive. I'm sure the state has a theory but none of that is public yet.

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I'm guessing that's some sort of standard procedure in idaho? I have no idea. If I'm not mistaken he also wrote that he wants to stay on the case.

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Beats me. Varies by state I guess. My assumption was that the judge would stay and move to the new venue. But maybe it is a jurisdictional question that the state SC has to sign off on?

if guilty, this dude is so lucky it's getting drawn out this long. more and more people forgetting about it by the day...

zgolfz85 said:

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if guilty, this dude is so lucky it's getting drawn out this long. more and more people forgetting about it by the day...

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In theory that is how it should work but in practice in such a small state that's not how it will work out. Remember death penalty cases receive an entire team of certified attorneys, investigators, psychologists, etc.

Moving to a larger population center expands the jury panel. Jury questionnaires etc. for a full blown jury expert report. Voir dire will still be a b**** to seat a jury.

Feeling uneasy about this one. The knife sheath should be enough, but hopefully they haven't effed up the cell tracking and that the witness holds up as far as giving nothing that could be viewed as exculpatory. He was sloppy enough to leave the sheath, but seemed to otherwise clean up successfully. If they didn't have the sheath, there'd be real issues

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zgolfz85 said:

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if guilty, this dude is so lucky it's getting drawn out this long. more and more people forgetting about it by the day...

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In theory that is how it should work but in practice in such a small state that's not how it will work out. Remember death penalty cases receive an entire team of certified attorneys, investigators, psychologists, etc.

Moving to a larger population center expands the jury panel. Jury questionnaires etc. for a full blown jury expert report. Voir dire will still be a b**** to seat a jury.

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I meant nationally and internationally. Yeah, locally I don't think anyone will forget and Idaho is a tiny and close knit population

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Doh, Thanks, I wrote that but apparently lost that sentence when editing before posting.

His DNA on kabar sheath is the most incriminating thing linking him to the scene obviously.

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I would add there were two roommates in the home the night of the murders (unharmed), one of whom claims she opened her door and saw the killer, who resembles BK.

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zgolfz85 said:

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if guilty, this dude is so lucky it's getting drawn out this long. more and more people forgetting about it by the day...

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In theory that is how it should work but in practice in such a small state that's not how it will work out. Remember death penalty cases receive an entire team of certified attorneys, investigators, psychologists, etc.

Moving to a larger population center expands the jury panel. Jury questionnaires etc. for a full blown jury expert report. Voir dire will still be a b**** to seat a jury.

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I'm glad I don't live there. I would never want to be on a jury for this.

Can someone summarize how this is even in question? I just saw the bump and it jogged my memory. I thought this guy was DOA…?

Traces of his dna on the snap of a knife sheath at the scene mostly makes their case. That said, another key part of their case was cellphone tracking, which it appears there may be some decent-sized holes getting poked in. The testimony by the roommate also seems like there is some potential weirdness/undefined issues with, although that seems to be a big unknown to the public so far. His committing an extremely bloody killing and leaving seemingly no blood evidence anywhere, particularly in his car, helps him.

You would think is dna would be under those girls' fingernails.

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aggiepanic95 said:

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Idaho judge rules on Bryan Kohberger's motion to change venue in student murder trial

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An Idaho judge has granted suspected quadruple murderer Bryan Kohberger's request to have his trial moved out of Latah County, where he is accused of killing four college students in an early morning home invasion attack.

Judge John Judge's order was unsealed Monday, moving the trial to an unspecified new location, possibly the larger Ada County -- and finding that massive media coverage of the case could taint the local jury in and around Moscow, where the attack took place.

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Wow, that's pretty huge.

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if the judge is worried about that - moving to Boise is not going to be any less tainted.

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This is a huge national story, he's not getting a completely fresh jury anywhere.

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Traces of his dna on the snap of a knife sheath at the scene mostly makes their case. That said, another key part of their case was cellphone tracking, which it appears there may be some decent-sized holes getting poked in. The testimony by the roommate also seems like there is some potential weirdness/undefined issues with, although that seems to be a big unknown to the public so far. His committing an extremely bloody killing and leaving seemingly no blood evidence anywhere, particularly in his car, helps him.

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The goal of all defense counsel is to present enough evidence to cast shade on beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trace touch DNA. How reliable is that really? Epect a battle of experts on that. There is also the corollary here that has never been fully resolved about how the FBI collected DNA for comparison purposes to that sample. Early on there was a strong suggestion that the FBI was using borad swaths of databases from private DNA companies such as 23 and me and the like to find possible relatives to match to that trace touch DNA and ho they obtained that information from those companies. That could be the basis of some type of fruit of the poisonous tree argument for excluson.

I know that seems irrelevant because once the federal and state authorities in Pennsylvania were alerted that BK was a suspect, they staked out his ather's house, took their trash and got a match from BK's father as a paternal match for the trace touch DNA on the sheath. But it still matters how they got there up to that point?

Then there is the cell phone tower evidence. There are dead areas in rural Idaho where connectivity and pinging will not yield a direct route by connecting those dots. Is that enough for reasonable doubt? Again comes down to which expert does the jury find more credible?

Finally, from such a grisly scene, lack of other blood evidence outside of the residence nor apparently in BK's car, nor his apartment nor trash from his apartment. If he was wearing a type of protective suit and booties, where did he ditch that and when? Were he not wearing such a suit, where are the bloody clothes he was wearing? We have one eyewitness, a roommate and we know BK was not naked (the Lizzie Borden esque theory). And as we have seen the lack of any blood evidence from grisly scenes did not result in acquittals in the Murdauch or Zachariah Ander son cases.

So this will be a long trial with a lot of competing expert testimony of the type and detail that more often make jurors eye cross and they tune out without a strong witness delivering it in small bites they can digest.

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Traces of his dna on the snap of a knife sheath at the scene mostly makes their case. That said, another key part of their case was cellphone tracking, which it appears there may be some decent-sized holes getting poked in. The testimony by the roommate also seems like there is some potential weirdness/undefined issues with, although that seems to be a big unknown to the public so far. His committing an extremely bloody killing and leaving seemingly no blood evidence anywhere, particularly in his car, helps him.

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The goal of all defense counsel is to present enough evidence to cast shade on beyond a reasonable doubt.

Trace touch DNA. How reliable is that really? Epect a battle of experts on that. There is also the corollary here that has never been fully resolved about how the FBI collected DNA for comparison purposes to that sample. Early on there was a strong suggestion that the FBI was using borad swaths of databases from private DNA companies such as 23 and me and the like to find possible relatives to match to that trace touch DNA and ho they obtained that information from those companies. That could be the basis of some type of fruit of the poisonous tree argument for excluson.

I know that seems irrelevant because once the federal and state authorities in Pennsylvania were alerted that BK was a suspect, they staked out his ather's house, took their trash and got a match from BK's father as a paternal match for the trace touch DNA on the sheath. But it still matters how they got there up to that point?

Then there is the cell phone tower evidence. There are dead areas in rural Idaho where connectivity and pinging will not yield a direct route by connecting those dots. Is that enough for reasonable doubt? Again comes down to which expert does the jury find more credible?

Finally, from such a grisly scene, lack of other blood evidence outside of the residence nor apparently in BK's car, nor his apartment nor trash from his apartment. If he was wearing a type of protective suit and booties, where did he ditch that and when? Were he not wearing such a suit, where are the bloody clothes he was wearing? We have one eyewitness, a roommate and we know BK was not naked (the Lizzie Borden esque theory). And as we have seen the lack of any blood evidence from grisly scenes did not result in acquittals in the Murdauch or Zachariah Ander son cases.

So this will be a long trial with a lot of competing expert testimony of the type and detail that more often make jurors eye cross and they tune out without a strong witness delivering it in small bites they can digest.

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yep, all of this. I still think he's likely guilty, but it's far from an open and shut case. curious to see what else comes out during the trial, but would be a nervy one for any prosecutor to have too much confidence