University of Idaho - 4 college students murdered

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Guitarsoup said:

Judge Judge was called for jury duty for the Kohberger trial. He asked both prosecution and defense counsel if they had an objection to him excusing himself from jury duty.
Can't blame him. He would have had to change his name to juror.
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Guitarsoup said:

Judge Judge was called for jury duty for the Kohberger trial. He asked both prosecution and defense counsel if they had an objection to him excusing himself from jury duty.
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Now that is funny.
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Do you think Judge & Juror Judge will also be on the firing squad?
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Bryan Kohberger trial: Survivors of Idaho massacre were awake, texting during rampage: report

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"Steve had been told that the two survivors allegedly had not only been awake while the killings had taken place but that they had heard everything," the report states. "More astonishingly, his grand-jury sources alleged that the two girls had been texting one another as the murderer methodically went from one room to the next."
Article doesn't really say much about the headline. More like they're trying to keep the story in the headlines. Thought I'd post here however since it's on topic.
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agcrock2005 said:

Bryan Kohberger trial: Survivors of Idaho massacre were awake, texting during rampage: report

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"Steve had been told that the two survivors allegedly had not only been awake while the killings had taken place but that they had heard everything," the report states. "More astonishingly, his grand-jury sources alleged that the two girls had been texting one another as the murderer methodically went from one room to the next."
Article doesn't really say much about the headline. More like they're trying to keep the story in the headlines. Thought I'd post here however since it's on topic.
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Came here to post this info as well. Interesting.

FBI returns to Idaho home where Bryan Kohberger allegedly murdered four college students
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Are they taking physical measurements? They could've scanned the whole place with LIDAR in a couple of hours and had a model built by now.
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Not sure, but hey, its the FBI.
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Megyn Kelly show on the case…

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A laser scan model is pretty standard for a lot of crime scenes now. The technology is so fast and cheap that it just makes sense from a scene preservation standpoint.
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Should be an eventful 2024.

Watching this creep get his just dues.

Watching Biden lose the WH
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PA24 said:

Should be an eventful 2024.

Watching this creep get his just dues.

Watching Biden lose the WH
In a world of Justice, in a world of tall trees and short ropes, all televised, it would be a watch for the ages.

But the MSM would not show you the "just" hangings, just the hangings they want you to see after "they" pass they judgement.
"Green" is the new RED.
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Demolition unfolds at Idaho murder house despite outcry from victims' grieving families
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Early this morning, against the wishes of at least two parents, demolition crews tore down the house on King Rd. where four Idaho college students were brutally murdered last Fall. In recent months, Kaylee's dad, Steve Goncalves, argued against the teardown, insisting the site should be preserved in case it's needed for future reference during trial.
Members of the Goncalves and the Kernodle families released a statement this week insisting that the property should remain intact to provide any answers to questions that might arise during the prosecution. The house, they say, is the most significant piece of evidence to help jurors understand the layout, sights, and sounds of the house.
"Please stop the demolition," they urged in a statement, calling the decision to proceed with demolition "madness."

The university ignored their pleas scheduling the demolition while the students were away for winter break. University President C. Scott Green said in a statement that the home was too grim a reminder of what transpired there on November 12th, 2022. His solution was to erase it.
"While we appreciate the emotional connection some family members of the victims may have to this house, it is time for its removal and to allow the collective healing of our community to continue," he said.
The abrupt demolition came as a shock to everyone following along online. Twitter commentators predict the decision will only breed new suspicion surrounding the case.
"Somebody really wants that house destroyed," one commentator wrote. Others pointed out similar cases where the jury was brought to tour the site where the murders occurred.

https://open.substack.com/pub/jessicareedkraus/p/ive-seen-things-they-may-not-have?r=dzrj0&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
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Why would they do this?

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Because it's been like a year. The property owner isn't getting any rent and is probably still paying the mortgage and taxes. An empty, boarded up house drags down adjacent property values, and it's also a haven for bugs, animals, etc.

They probably have lidar and photo scans of the interior. They've probably built a laser scan/photogrammetric model you can walk through, and I'll tell you right now that technology has come so far with VR that they probably don't need the house to actually walk through it.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Because it's been like a year. The property owner isn't getting any rent and is probably still paying the mortgage and taxes. An empty, boarded up house drags down adjacent property values, and it's also a haven for bugs, animals, etc.

They probably have lidar and photo scans of the interior. They've probably built a laser scan/photogrammetric model you can walk through, and I'll tell you right now that technology has come so far with VR that they probably don't need the house to actually walk through it.
Owner of the home transferred title to the university earlier this year. Was the university's decision to tear it down.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

Because it's been like a year. The property owner isn't getting any rent and is probably still paying the mortgage and taxes. An empty, boarded up house drags down adjacent property values, and it's also a haven for bugs, animals, etc.

They probably have lidar and photo scans of the interior. They've probably built a laser scan/photogrammetric model you can walk through, and I'll tell you right now that technology has come so far with VR that they probably don't need the house to actually walk through it.
Lots of probablies in there. Hope you're right, but knowing how incompetent most DAs and government agencies are, I wouldn't count on it.
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Can't remember what i was watching but a former prosecutor was talking about this yesterday.

He said the house wouldn't provide anything for a jury, the walls, flooring and all furnishings have been removed.

Also said a jury walking through it would make them confused as no one can guide them and they're not allowed to ask questions or even speak amongst themselves if they went to it.
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45-70Ag said:

Can't remember what i was watching but a former prosecutor was talking about this yesterday.

He said the house wouldn't provide anything for a jury, the walls, flooring and all furnishings have been removed.

Also said a jury walking through it would make them confused as no one can guide them and they're not allowed to ask questions or even speak amongst themselves if they went to it.
Thanks for relaying that info. That makes some sense.
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45-70Ag said:

Can't remember what i was watching but a former prosecutor was talking about this yesterday.

He said the house wouldn't provide anything for a jury, the walls, flooring and all furnishings have been removed.

Also said a jury walking through it would make them confused as no one can guide them and they're not allowed to ask questions or even speak amongst themselves if they went to it.
That was former detective Furman from the OJ case that I saw saying that about the jury just being confused. The reason they are not allowed to talk to each during a site viewing is that they haven't been instructed and charged yet. Any conversation would be deemed "deliberations" and it was not time for that yet.
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Jabin said:

ABATTBQ11 said:

Because it's been like a year. The property owner isn't getting any rent and is probably still paying the mortgage and taxes. An empty, boarded up house drags down adjacent property values, and it's also a haven for bugs, animals, etc.

They probably have lidar and photo scans of the interior. They've probably built a laser scan/photogrammetric model you can walk through, and I'll tell you right now that technology has come so far with VR that they probably don't need the house to actually walk through it.
Lots of probablies in there. Hope you're right, but knowing how incompetent most DAs and government agencies are, I wouldn't count on it.


What he describes is certainly possible and actually very impressive stuff, but its more faith than I have in government to use it.
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What he describes is certainly possible and actually very impressive stuff, but its more faith than I have in government to use it.
No, that was done. Local authorities requested the FBI's assistance from the get-go and the 3D mapping of the house was a part of that.
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I missed that. Glad to hear they're doing everything to get this guy.
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FWIW

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Bryan Kohberger asks court for change of venue after delays in Idaho student murders trial
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"A fair and impartial jury cannot be found in Latah County owing to the extensive, inflammatory pretrial publicity, allegations made about Mr. Kohberger to the public by media that will be inadmissible at his trial, the small size of the community, the salacious nature of the alleged crimes, and the severity of the charges Mr. Kohberger faces," Anne Taylor, Kohberger's lead defense attorney, wrote in a Tuesday court filing made public Wednesday evening.
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I tend to agree. Latah County is just too small for a jury pool that would not have some tangential connection to the case. Working for university, for instance. IIRC, largest or thereabouts in Moscow?
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Yeah, make sure to get a big enough pool so there is no mistrial.

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aggiehawg said:

I tend to agree. Latah County is just too small for a jury pool that would not have some tangential connection to the case. Working for university, for instance. IIRC, largest or thereabouts in Moscow?
I agree too. The issue (also mentioned in the article) is the state is small to begin with and the case got so much attention that I don't think he'll get an impartial jury no matter where it's moved to in the state.
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Judge Judge goes with the change, right?
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MsDoubleD81 said:

Judge Judge goes with the change, right?
IDK. But think about this in light of changing venue wherein both he and the Latah County prosecutors to move to another location. The estimates for the trial length from both sides have been somewhere between 12-16 weeks.

That's an Oof! Especially if the jury is sequestered.
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Anything new on this?

Just saw that HBO has a 43 minute documentary showing called "The Idaho College Murders".
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