We need a candidate who can win and in a big way. We cannot take a chance. Trump needs to settle his legal issues by suing the government for the damages done to him by the feds with the hoax Russia probe. Include Clinton, Comey, Ray, etc.

This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

aggie93 said:

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This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

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This appears to be incorrect based on some comments on this forum and also the fact that they stayed home, voted L or even voted for POTATUS instead of Trump.

WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggie93 said:

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This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

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This appears to be incorrect based on some comments on this forum and also the fact that they stayed home, voted L or even voted for POTATUS instead of Trump.

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I disagree. I, and many other posters, have stated Trump won't get our primary votes but will in the general, should he be the candidate.

GAC06 said:

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Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.

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Trump needs to stay as a lightning rod for Desantis for as long as possible because the commie(dimtard) propaganda(msm) arm will shift their lies to Desantis as soon as Trump is gone.

I was/am a Trump supporter. As polarizing as he is, I still love the guy. However, I realize that the time for Trump has passed. He has rubbed too many people the wrong way and turned many life long republicans off. I know a handful of people that voted for poopy pants because they just could not take another 4 years of Trump. I get it. You love him or hate him.

2024 needs to be a fresh face of the party. We need to take this country back. We need a strong candidate with a spine that will stand up to the libtards, just as Trump did. I am all in on Desantis.

I agree with this.

He also protected abortion for up to 15 weeks. He's not dumb. He's just what we need.

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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

I also don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. I think we'll see DeSantis endorse Trump. Media/Deep State doesn't want that, and DeSantis knows it.

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Trump says a lot of things. Most of them are bull****.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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PatriotAg02 said:

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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

I also don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. I think we'll see DeSantis endorse Trump. Media/Deep State doesn't want that, and DeSantis knows it.

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Trump says a lot of things. Most of them are bull****.

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Yeah he's been proven wrong so many times.

OG UNF said:

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We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.

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Still waiting on am answer- you gonna vote for the republican candidate, even if it's not Trump?

Trump can run, but he won't win. He motivates more to vote against him than for him.

"Avenge Trump" is not a good GOP platform to run on

GAC06 said:

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Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.

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Yup. Simple as that.

If Trump is the republican nominee, the Democrats will keep POTUS (and likely win back the house).

Trump = HRC at this point...People will come out to vote against him. Its only taken 6 years for this reality to hit home...but I HOPE we are there.

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggie93 said:

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This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

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This appears to be incorrect based on some comments on this forum and also the fact that they stayed home, voted L or even voted for POTATUS instead of Trump.

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I disagree. I, and many other posters, have stated Trump won't get our primary votes but will in the general, should he be the candidate.

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That's exactly what I said.

What does Trump have on DeSantis? Did his dad hand out leaflets with Oswald? No that was Ted Cruz's dad. Is he the Zodiac Killer? No, that was Ted Cruz. I know, he probably has been holding Judge Crater hostage in the basement of his Florida house.

Are Trump supporters going to start gluing their hands to dominion election machines?

WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggie93 said:

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This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

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This appears to be incorrect based on some comments on this forum and also the fact that they stayed home, voted L or even voted for POTATUS instead of Trump.

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Outside of a few folks like Georgia I don't know of many GOP Primary voters that voted against Trump in the primary but wouldn't in the general, at least in 2020. A lot of folks did in '16.

Now if you are talking about Indys and Dems of course there are very few of them that would vote Trump over DeSantis but that's also part of the point.

Most Republicans will vote for the Republican nominee and will vote Trump over any Democrat. Most of them already voted Trump twice.

More importantly this all ignores the REAL question. The REAL question is how many Trump supporters will stay home or not vote for DeSantis vs Biden or another Democrat like Newsome? That's what matters. If the answer is not very many then Trump doesn't really have the power many here claim.

SA68AG said:

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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.

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More like sunk along with the candidates he pushed.

Life after Trump
DON SURBER FROM DON SURBER

10:00 AM on November 10, 2022

I was in a bubble this year. Tuesday's election busted it.
Hope is the thing with feathers. We were plucked.

We can talk about cheating and the fix being in and mail-in votes. We can go on and on about the deep state and the media.

We can spend months in denial but the fact is, Americans do not want Donald John Trump to be their president.

He did not save the Republican Party. He spent it.

aggie93 said:

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WHOOP!'91 said:

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aggie93 said:

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This really comes down to one question for the Trump supporters. Love to hear your answer.

If Trump loses to DeSantis in the primaries are you going to stay home or vote for DeSantis?

It's theoretically possible Trump goes 3rd Party of course but realistically it would be lunacy as he would lose badly if he already lost the GOP Primaries and he would burn down whatever good he has done in the process while making any of his supporters and his family toxic by getting us a Democrat elected. I could see Trump threaten it out of desperation but I can't see him actually doing it.

I would wager almost all DeSantis supporters will still support Trump if he wins even if it is begrudgingly.

So what is the answer to the real question above?

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This appears to be incorrect based on some comments on this forum and also the fact that they stayed home, voted L or even voted for POTATUS instead of Trump.

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Outside of a few folks like Georgia I don't know of many GOP Primary voters that voted against Trump in the primary but wouldn't in the general, at least in 2020. A lot of folks did in '16.

Now if you are talking about Indys and Dems of course there are very few of them that would vote Trump over DeSantis but that's also part of the point.

Most Republicans will vote for the Republican nominee and will vote Trump over any Democrat. Most of them already voted Trump twice.

More importantly this all ignores the REAL question. The REAL question is how many Trump supporters will stay home or not vote for DeSantis vs Biden or another Democrat like Newsome? That's what matters. If the answer is not very many then Trump doesn't really have the power many here claim.

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Eric also says he voted L instead of Trump, as another example from this board. I will vote against the Dem no matter who the R is. I wanted Cruz instead of Trump but definitely didn't want Shrillery. I will take any R - even Jeb or Romney - over Xiden or any Dem I can think of.

Again, it is patently obvious that while some Trumpies will boycott against Desantis in 2024,

many more republican suburban women who will never vote for Trump WILL vote for DeSantis.

and keep in mind it's an electoral college election.

which is worth more? a suburban wife in Pennsylvania? or a yahoo in Idaho?

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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SA68AG said:

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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.

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It hasn't sailed enough to not absolutely shipwreck any chance the R's have in 24.

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Still waiting on your thread saying Trump isn't a viable candidate in 2024. Oz and Walker did not win by more than 50,000 votes. You were super confident. Go ahead!

jrrhouston98 said:

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I was/am a Trump supporter. As polarizing as he is, I still love the guy. However, I realize that the time for Trump has passed. He has rubbed too many people the wrong way and turned many life long republicans off. I know a handful of people that voted for poopy pants because they just could not take another 4 years of Trump. I get it. You love him or hate him.

2024 needs to be a fresh face of the party. We need to take this country back. We need a strong candidate with a spine that will stand up to the libtards, just as Trump did. I am all in on Desantis.

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THIS

For trump to admit he's too old or even more self-reflective, that he's too divisive and saving America would have to happen without him at the helm, would be a win for the dems and the pravda who vilified him and infected all the sheeple with TDS against him and the 75 million people who voted for him. The optics are that he pushed back against the establishment swamp and lost. ...but it would also be a huge win for Republicans and the MAGA movement if it could move on without him. I just don't think there's a way anyone he might listen to could convince him of a way to graciously accept that defeat and find a way to support the movement with his pocketbook instead of his mouth in an official capacity.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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SA68AG said:

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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.

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It hasn't sailed enough to not absolutely shipwreck any chance the R's have in 24.

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Still waiting on your thread saying Trump isn't a viable candidate in 2024. Oz and Walker did not win by more than 50,000 votes. You were super confident. Go ahead!

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If Walker loses you will get my thread.

He was awesome as a democrat. Until the sheep expressed their core beliefs about republicans through the vitriol expressed towards him. Don't fool yourselves, they hate everyone in the GOP equally but have gotten comfortable expressing it on Trump.

Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Kazansky 2012 said:

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SA68AG said:

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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.

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It hasn't sailed enough to not absolutely shipwreck any chance the R's have in 24.

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Still waiting on your thread saying Trump isn't a viable candidate in 2024. Oz and Walker did not win by more than 50,000 votes. You were super confident. Go ahead!

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If Walker loses you will get my thread.

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FYI the bet wasn't that he even loses. It was that he wins by less than 50,000 votes. But you can change it if that helps.

OG UNF said:

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We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.

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Trump supporters need to get thru his thick arrogant self grandizing skull that hes killing any chance for republicans. He's far right as much as aoc is far left. No one in the central is voting for them.

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Op- let's say Trump runs on the primary but doesn't win the nomination.

What are you going to do? Are you going to vote the the republican, will you sit it out or do something like write Trump in?

How much are you willing to sacrifice to the dems of Trump doesn't win the nomination?

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Putting aside that there is zero chance Desantis beats Trump in a primary, and <1% chance he would even run against trump. It would depend on the manner in which he won, and whether the republicans betray trump supporters.

Funky Winkerbean said:

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He was awesome as a democrat. Until the sheep expressed their core beliefs about republicans through the vitriol expressed towards him. Don't fool yourselves, they hate everyone in the GOP equally but have gotten comfortable expressing it on Trump.

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Which is why it's som important to have a fighter that can actually communicate. Rather than just screaming "fake news" and "very bad reporter" he explained very clearly explained what the lies were, specifically…. Then called them fake news.

Which option doesn't sweep under the carpet the big elephant in the room: Democrat cheating

Without free and fair elections ALL of our agenda is out the window.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Op- let's say Trump runs on the primary but doesn't win the nomination.

What are you going to do? Are you going to vote the the republican, will you sit it out or do something like write Trump in?

How much are you willing to sacrifice to the dems of Trump doesn't win the nomination?

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Putting aside that there is zero chance Desantis beats Trump in a primary, and <1% chance he would even run against trump. It would depend on the manner in which he won, and whether the republicans betray trump supporters.

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You're setting yourself up for lots of pain and misery

OG UNF said:

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Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.

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Option 3 isn't enough unless you let Trump choose the running mate. Does Ivanka, Eric, or Don Jr on the ticket doom the ticket? If so there is no deal to be made and your option 1 is the best path forward.