Trump knows he holds all the power

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8:51a, 11/10/22
We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
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8:54a, 11/10/22
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Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.
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8:55a, 11/10/22
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Trump isn't getting the nomination regardless of what he does.

The best thing republicans can do now is speak kindly of his accomplishments but otherwise just ignore him. He will rant and rave, but as long as they don't get in the mud with him, the repubs will come out ahead.
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8:56a, 11/10/22
"tell you things about [Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis] that won't be very flattering. I know more about him than anybody other than perhaps his wife …"

He needs to go away.

He's the only candidate that did and can lose to Bad Touch Biden.
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8:57a, 11/10/22
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Option 4. Trump gets behind a non-DC candidate (DeSantis) and does what he does best...be a very public critic of how terrible the democrats and their policies are...constantly hitting them and taking heat in return...but allowing a DeSantis to set the tone on what Republicans will do if they win in 2024.
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In reply to GAC06 • 8:57a, 11/10/22
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GAC06 said:
Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.

I have been saying what the OP has for almost 6 months now. It is inevitable.

Your pissing and moaning won't change reality.

Trump supporters aren't as minority as you think. This will be an epic disaster if both Trump and DeSantis clash.

And when have we ever known Trump to back down? He is our Dr. Frankenstein's monster.
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8:57a, 11/10/22
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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.
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8:58a, 11/10/22
power to botch winnable races? congrats I guess.
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8:58a, 11/10/22
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https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3198978
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In reply to SA68AG • 8:58a, 11/10/22
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In the intervening months and in the debates DeSantis will clearly demonstrate that he is a superior leader and spokesman for the Republican party.

Trump's ship has sailed.
It hasn't sailed enough to not absolutely shipwreck any chance the R's have in 24.
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8:58a, 11/10/22
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A party of 1 cannot win. Until he stops acting like an asshat to other Republicans he's lost my support.
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In reply to Deplorable • 8:58a, 11/10/22
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We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.

Good Plan.

now fly down to Mar A Lago and have Trump and his narcissistic ego agree to your Option 3.
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8:59a, 11/10/22
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OP.

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In reply to Deplorable • 9:00a, 11/10/22
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OG UNF said:
We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
Option 1. Trump falls in line and supports Desantis. He will almost assuredly lose in the primary based on this weeks results and only harm the GOP going forward.
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9:01a, 11/10/22
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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

I also don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. I think we'll see DeSantis endorse Trump. Media/Deep State doesn't want that, and DeSantis knows it.
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In reply to Deplorable • 9:02a, 11/10/22
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Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.
i'd go for Option 1a. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. ALL conservatives get behind him and help him win the election. Republicans win.
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In reply to Carnwellag2 • 9:03a, 11/10/22
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Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.
i'd go for Option 1a. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. ALL conservatives get behind him and help him win the election. Republicans win.


Trump will not win. People despise him. Stop trying to force a hopeless candidate
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9:04a, 11/10/22
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Sounds like a lot threats and hostage taking to me. This is not the MO of supporters of a candidate who think they will win on the merits in a primary. Smells like fear to me. DeSantis is going to crush Trump and you know it.
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9:05a, 11/10/22
Like taking candy from babies, President Trump will sway the mass of LIVs to win again. With 72hr attention span, you CMs need to temper your expectations.
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In reply to PatriotAg02 • 9:05a, 11/10/22
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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

trump blustering and talking out his rear end? who could have seen that coming!
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In reply to Deplorable • 9:05a, 11/10/22
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We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
This is paywalled but you may be able to see it if you haven't visited the site before

Pick Now: It's Trump, or Winning

But I'll list some snippets

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There is no narrative that leads to any conclusion other than this out of Tuesday night's results. Did Dobbs cause Herschel Walker to tie while Brian Kemp won by 8 percent in the same state? Did Dobbs hurt Republican congressional candidates in Ohio but not New York and New Jersey? I am open to the idea that Dobbs had marginal impact in some races (yet also unfazed by such, because of my fondness for human life and the U.S. Constitution), but to ignore the obvious takeaway from 2018, 2020, and now 2022 requires a willful refusal to see something in front of you punching you in the face.
Much of Trumpism remains popular. Donald Trump is not. Not with women. Not with independents. Not with moderates. Not with young people. Not with college graduates. Not with a statistically meaningful enough part of the electorate that his presence, aura, and input will do anything other than cost us elections.
"But he fights." Well, he loses.
"He did a lot of good." Yes, he did. But he also cost us the House, Senate, and White House.
"He is the best we have to fight the Left." Oh. Wait. Did someone say "best we have"?
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Candidates matter. Voters need more than people who kiss the ring of a megalomaniac, scream on cable news, and tweet outlandish things. They need more than celebrity and more than wannabe celebrity. They need technique. And maybe you think "technique" is a word of the "establishment" though that is lazy analysis, at best. Being competent and prepared and electable and well-read are not "sellout" characteristics; they are the sine qua non of candidate eligibility for any party that wants to be taken seriously. DeSantis is not just the overwhelming victor this week, more than Donald Trump and more than Joe Biden; he is now the standard-bearer of the conservative movement.
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9:08a, 11/10/22
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Thankfully, it seems , we are finally beginning to see light at the end of the Trump tunnel.

The days of politicians having to genuflect before Dear Leader in order to avoid his wrath are finally coming to an end. We aren't 100% there yet but hopefully with each passing day more and more of his minions will see the light and realize he's done. If what we are currently seeing stays true by the primary season Trump will be a minor player.
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In reply to GAC06 • 9:12a, 11/10/22
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GAC06 said:
Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.
Not sure why you can't take the win without being a hard-ass about it. Dude is giving you De Santis if you let Trump save face.
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WHOOP!'91 said:
GAC06 said:
Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.
Not sure why you can't take the win without being a hard-ass about it. Dude is giving you De Santis if you let Trump save face.


He doesn't control Trump. Trump cares about himself. We need to erode his support enough that he chooses not to run. That is the only path to a conservative victory.
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9:16a, 11/10/22
Your whole premise is flawed.

Trump's #1 platform demand would be he is the star and all attention on him. That requires him to be the nominee.
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9:25a, 11/10/22
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after Tuesday night, **** Trump and everything related to Trump. I'm as anti-establishment as the next person, but this dude has proven to be crazier by the second and ONLY self-serving. Desantis all the way. Cut off everything Trump and make sure to corral the Trumper base. It'll be tricky, but we have to have Trumpers behind viable candidates like Desantis.
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In reply to Deplorable • 9:27a, 11/10/22
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OG UNF said:
We Trumpanzees are a stubborn bunch, and we're still very pissed off at the status quo. Trump was the only non-establishment candidate who, for us, would truly go in and upset the apple cart - and he did, to the degree that they're still trying to imprison him.

So naturally, after they took us away from us fraudulently and pretended there was an insurrection, it only strengthens the same resolve we had in 2016. Trump remains our big fat middle finger to the political order.

And, as it was then, it's highly unlikely he'll win the general election again.

So what then, is a Republican Party to do? What's a conservative to do? What's a Desantis supporter to do? Stamp your feet and complain like the last two days?

Option 1. Trump runs in the primary, he wins, period. He likely puts enough stink on any other candidate that they'll be tarnished moving forward. No good because Republicans think he can't win the general. Democrats win.

Option 2. Betray him enough to run third party, republicans lose in an epic landslide. Epic. Obviously no good. Democrats win.

Option 3. Art of the deal. Let a trump write the platform for 2024, give his supporters and him personally (remember he is a narcissist) absolutely everything he wants, godfather status in the party, assurances of a full pardon against Democrat tricks, and ask him to endorse Desantis. Republicans win, Trump supporters win, Desantis supporters win. Democrats lose.
Option 4, have Trump move aside as have one of his kids (Ivanka?) be the VP nominee with DeSantis.
Gig'Em and God Bless,

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9:28a, 11/10/22
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Trump is an *******.

So, the proposal is for everyone to either get behind the narcissistic gas bag, or he'll throw a tantrum and leave and ruin it for everyone?

Or, let HIM write the platform? Can we have more ridiculous spending and gun control, pelase?

OR realize that he served his purpose, he is now utterly detrimental to the party, and go retire somewhere.

But he won't do that, because his ego won't let him. He cares nothing for you. he cares nothing for any of us. he cares about himself. Period.

BTW, I voted for the ******** twice. And I will again, against the dems, but my GOD he's a crappy candidate.

Didn't drain anything. Didn't end obamacare. Pretty much re-invigorated unions in the country. Passed gun control legislation, ffs.

I get it that it can be fun to throw the middle finger at the press, but we need someone that will actually accomplish stuff, not just stomp around.
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9:30a, 11/10/22
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People need to relax. This is why we have primaries. The one clear message from the 2022 red trickle is that open distain for Trump is greater than any support he has. He's going to get crushed in the primary. The only wild card is whether he will finally acknowledge that his time has passed and support DeSantis and other 2024 candidates or destroy any chances for Republicans by running anyway as an independent.

And I'm not a Trump hater. I voted for him twice. I also believe that DeSantis learned a ton from Trump and took what worked from Trump to become the dominant candidate that he is today. DeSantis is really a new and improved Trump.
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In reply to PatriotAg02 • 9:31a, 11/10/22
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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

I also don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. I think we'll see DeSantis endorse Trump. Media/Deep State doesn't want that, and DeSantis knows it.
Literally 0% chance of this happening
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In reply to Tom Kazansky 2012 • 9:31a, 11/10/22
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GAC06 said:
Option 4: the tiny minority of hardcore Trumpians on this board slowly accept reality that Trump is a geriatric has-been loser. If he runs, he will cost us ANOTHER election.

Dr. Frankenstein's monster.

Thank you!
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In reply to Gigem314 • 9:31a, 11/10/22
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Option 4. Trump gets behind a non-DC candidate (DeSantis) and does what he does best...be a very public critic of how terrible the democrats and their policies are...constantly hitting them and taking heat in return...but allowing a DeSantis to set the tone on what Republicans will do if they win in 2024.
frankly you are living in fantasy land.

that will literally NEVER HAPPEN

Trump would never prop up someone who would look better than him
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In reply to PatriotAg02 • 9:32a, 11/10/22
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Trump has already said that if DeSantis runs, he has more dirt on him than anyone and knows him better than anyone other than maybe is wife.

I also don't think DeSantis wants to run against Trump. I think we'll see DeSantis endorse Trump. Media/Deep State doesn't want that, and DeSantis knows it.
No chance. DeSantis just dominated Florida by distancing from Trump.
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9:34a, 11/10/22
Op- let's say Trump runs on the primary but doesn't win the nomination.

What are you going to do? Are you going to vote the the republican, will you sit it out or do something like write Trump in?

How much are you willing to sacrifice to the dems of Trump doesn't win the nomination?
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In reply to LMCane • 9:36a, 11/10/22
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LMCane said:
Gigem314 said:
Option 4. Trump gets behind a non-DC candidate (DeSantis) and does what he does best...be a very public critic of how terrible the democrats and their policies are...constantly hitting them and taking heat in return...but allowing a DeSantis to set the tone on what Republicans will do if they win in 2024.
frankly you are living in fantasy land.

that will literally NEVER HAPPEN

Trump would never prop up someone who would look better than him
Calm down, I never said it was likely. Just that it would be the most ideal, because Trump is very good at calling out the Dems. There are probably no smooth scenarios, because in politics there rarely is. But it will be worked out by 2024, because Republicans will have a bigger objective.
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