Im Gipper said:

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What happened to the nuclear secrets?

Anyone?

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Different case.

agjacent is still looking for those.

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Oh, no, that was the nuclear launch codes. Clinton lost them, not Trump.

I don't watch the news so I'm not up on all this. How many hundreds of congressmen, police and civilians did the Trump mob kill? Have they built back the Capital from it being burned down? Listening to the white SAHMs in suburban restaurants I gather all that happened.

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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Biden better hope that Trump has one and it is enforced.

Turn-about, Harry Reid, will bite you in the ass. Biden won't be POTUS forever.

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That SOB will probably die in office before anyone can deliver any justice.

What gives the Legislative body of the federal government Judicial powers?

"Both chambers of Congress have extensive investigative powers, and may compel the production of evidence or testimony toward whatever end they deem necessary. Members of Congress spend much of their time holding hearings and investigations in committee. Refusal to cooperate with a Congressional subpoena can result in charges of contempt of Congress, which could result in a prison term."

Did they give this power to themselves?

Interesting...
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S1-2-4/ALDE_00001314/

"Following ratification of the Constitution, James Madison also introduced an amendment to the Constitution in the House of Representatives of the First United States Congress that would have provided that the powers delegated by this Constitution to the Government of the United States, shall be exercised as therein appropriated, so that the Legislative shall not exercise the powers vested in the Executive or the Judicial; nor the Executive the power vested in the Legislative or Judicial; nor the Judicial the powers vested in the Legislative or Executive. Although James Madison argued that the amendment would help to resolve doubts about how the Constitution should be construed, Representative Roger Sherman opposed the amendment as unnecessary because the Constitution already vested the legislative, executive, and judicial powers in three separate branches. Although the House adopted the amendment, the Senate later rejected it without elaboration."

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The January 6th committee has 18 more days to kick and scream like a petulant child. Come November 9th, they can go to their room and pout. What a bunch of grand-standing fools.

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They're illegitimate. They didn't have the time that they've had.

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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The implication that EP isn't durable means it may as well not exist. If the idea is that it allows free discussion within the executive branch advising the president, it becomes useless if the understanding is that you will be prosecuted maliciously after the president leaves office. That threat still hanging over the office is just as effective at suppressing open and honest communication.

Isn't that obvious?

I appreciate the sentiment but I don't mind the opportunity to make arguments. The best way to refine, test, and prove your ideas is to have to argue and debate them against devoted and capable critics.

Would be great if Trump brought a tape of Hillary taking the 5th and every question asked, he just plays a clip of her.

Maybe you can answer my questions. How many hundreds of congressmen, capital police were murdered? Has the capital been rebuilt after the Trump mob burned it to the ground?

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Maybe you can answer my questions. How many hundreds of congressmen, capital police were murdered? Has the capital been rebuilt after the Trump mob burned it to the ground?

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Must be thousands if it's worse than 9/11.

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Im Gipper said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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Huh?

Who was President on January 6, 2021?

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Have you looked at the calendar lately? This is not January 6, 2021.

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Im Gipper said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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Huh?

Who was President on January 6, 2021?

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Have you looked at the calendar lately? This is not January 6, 2001.

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The committee wants to discuss things that occurred on January 6, 2001. Trump WAS POTUS that day.

So, anything that occurred that day could be covered by Executive Privilege.

This is not rocket surgery...

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What happened to the nuclear secrets?

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I laughed. That hotline lady doesn't look the least bit Indian

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What happened to the nuclear secrets?

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What does a former president have access to?

Former presidents can obtain classified material from their own administration, and, as a matter of practice, only a request to the archivist of the United States is required.

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Note quite.

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The President Executive Order 13526

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Sec. 4.1. General Restrictions on Access.

(a) A person may have access to classified information provided that:

(1) a favorable determination of eligibility for access has been made by an agency head or the agency head's designee[;

(2) the person has signed an approved nondisclosure agreement; and

(3) the person has a need to know the information.

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Sec. 4.4. Access by Historical Researchers and Certain Former Government Personnel.

(a) The requirement in section 4.1(a)(3) of this order that access to classified information may be granted only to individuals who have a need-to-know the information may be waived for persons who:

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Note the phrase "may be granted". It is significant that it does not say "shall be granted". Access is not guaranteed.

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So it is incumbent on the agency had or senior agency official granting the waiver to take steps to ensure that the documents are kept secure.

It seems likely that the waiver would be routinely granted to former Presidents, but it does not seem likely that they would just hand him the documents and wave goodbye. Rather, they would have to take steps to keep those documents secure.

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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The inquiry is about the events of Jan 6th, who he talked to and the substance of those conversations. Those all occurred while he was POTUS, and privilege survives past the term of office.

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Cites, please.

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Pookers said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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The implication that EP isn't durable means it may as well not exist. If the idea is that it allows free discussion within the executive branch advising the president, it becomes useless if the understanding is that you will be prosecuted maliciously after the president leaves office. That threat still hanging over the office is just as effective at suppressing open and honest communication.

Isn't that obvious?

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I'm not sure it is obvious, but it is an excellent point to make.

It does leave the question of just what legitimate Presidential discussions and decisions exist in the creation and execution of a coup attempt?

Well, let's play this out. Will Obama, Biden and Hillary be taking the stand to openly discussing their thoughts and tactics regarding the days leading up to the Nov 2016 election and all the discussions regarding Russiagate and investigations of Trump prior to Obama and Biden leaving office?

You think if they were called they would not claim Executive Privilege?

This is were the dumb dim dem logic falls apart. Either you have to be dishonest and say you would want or expect Obama Biden to be treated the same or you believe in the very un-American idea of unequal application of the law and biased justice.

So which is it?

Thanks for a good chuckle.

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Im Gipper said:

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Pookers said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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The inquiry is about the events of Jan 6th, who he talked to and the substance of those conversations. Those all occurred while he was POTUS, and privilege survives past the term of office.

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Cites, please.

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The comeback of a failed argument.

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Im Gipper said:

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Pookers said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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The inquiry is about the events of Jan 6th, who he talked to and the substance of those conversations. Those all occurred while he was POTUS, and privilege survives past the term of office.

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Cites, please.

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The comeback of a failed argument.

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Yep. Typical Biden voter.

They are trying so hard to generate an October/Nov surprise by demanding his response by Nov. 4 (4 days before the midterms). This is So blatantly obvious I really believe this is the dumbest committee ever assembled.

When I was younger i always thought Adults were smarter and more mature than kids. As i get older i realize its the reverse.

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eric76 said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Pookers said:

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Hungry Ojos said:

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This is probably the most pathetic group of individuals ever assembled onto one committee. They have completely embarrassed themselves over and over and this latest "demand" takes the cake. They are going to look even more idiotic, toothless and flaccid when Trump tells them to collectively go **** themselves and there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-committee-issues-trump-subpoena-seeking-testimony-capitol-riot

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Does Trump have some sort of legal loophole to avoid showing up without getting the Bannon treatment?

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For starters, Trump can actually claim Executive Privilege. He never did that with Bannon.


Trump isn't going to show up for any hearing and doesn't have to.

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Perhaps I missed something. Exactly how does he have executive privilege?

If he was still the President, then maybe, but he lost the election. Biden could claim executive privilege now, not Trump.

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Huh?

Who was President on January 6, 2021?

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Have you looked at the calendar lately? This is not January 6, 2001.

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The committee wants to discuss things that occurred on January 6, 2001. Trump WAS POTUS that day.

So, anything that occurred that day could be covered by Executive Privilege.

This is not rocket surgery...

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Let me introduce you to eric

Executive privilege is not a blanket pass given to a President or a former President. It has its limits.

I claim executive privilege for the next 4 seconds!