Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

TommyBrady said:

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You don't know the correct way to live. I do. Anybody who doesn't agree doesn't know God.

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Ah, yes. It's holier than thou to say don't murder your family. Real gotcha you got there.

Teslag said:

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Sorry nothing you can say would make me change my mind. I'd be disgusted knowing that child is alive on this earth.

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You go back far enough, and your very existence/lineage is going to include a child of a rape.

If your wife or daughter is raped, vast odds are they're going straight to the hospital, not Planned Parenthood 12 weeks after conception.

Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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Teslag said:

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Sorry nothing you can say would make me change my mind. I'd be disgusted knowing that child is alive on this earth.

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You go back far enough, and your very existence/lineage is going to be based the child of a rape.

If your wife or daughter is raped, vast odds are they're going straight to the hospital, not Planned Parenthood 12 weeks after conception.

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There's plenty of time to go to another state if need be. I'd pay whatever, whenever in that situation.

Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

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when is that?

obama said he didnt know

christians say it happens at conception

how long do you have to murder before its murder and what makes that moment unique that you arent killing your own child?

Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

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when is that?

obama said he didnt know

christians say it happens at conception

how long do you have to murder before its murder and what makes that moment unique that you arent killing your own child?

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Before viability. As technology improves this time could shift.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

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when is that?

obama said he didnt know

christians say it happens at conception

how long do you have to murder before its murder and what makes that moment unique that you arent killing your own child?

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Before viability. As technology improves this time could shift.

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what if youre wrong

what if viability is earlier than you thought?

you ok maybe being a murderer?

Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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People have tried to kill me. So yes I know what it feels like to have someone feel your life isn't valuable. So save the hysterics. I'd much rather save the life of a family member than some stranger. Why? It's more valuable. So would most people.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

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when is that?

obama said he didnt know

christians say it happens at conception

how long do you have to murder before its murder and what makes that moment unique that you arent killing your own child?

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Before viability. As technology improves this time could shift.

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what if your wrong

what if viability is earlier than you thought

you ok maybe being a murderer?

TommyBrady said:

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If republicans would stop pushing for abortion bans and instead let the lefties murder their future voting rolls the issue would cure itself.

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Strange how that argument from 40 years ago has not come to fruition.

Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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People have tried to kill me. So yes I know what it feels like to have someone feel your life isn't valuable. So save the hysterics. I'd much rather save the life of a family member than some stranger. Why? It's more valuable. So would most people.

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the child you want to kill is your own family

Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't fell an ounce of shame saying that.

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and innocent children arent valuable to you

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You do it asap before it's a child.

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when is that?

obama said he didnt know

christians say it happens at conception

how long do you have to murder before its murder and what makes that moment unique that you arent killing your own child?

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Before viability. As technology improves this time could shift.

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what if youre wrong

what if viability is earlier than you thought?

you ok maybe being a murderer?

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Without using the crutch of religion, who decides that I'm wrong?

Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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People have tried to kill me. So yes I know what it feels like to have someone feel your life isn't valuable. So save the hysterics. I'd much rather save the life of a family member than some stranger. Why? It's more valuable. So would most people.

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the child you want to kill is your own family

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No, it's a curse upon the world.

Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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People have tried to kill me. So yes I know what it feels like to have someone feel your life isn't valuable. So save the hysterics. I'd much rather save the life of a family member than some stranger. Why? It's more valuable. So would most people.

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the child you want to kill is your own family

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No, it's a curse upon the world.

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there is no changing the mind of your evil thoughts

if you can look yourself in the mirror desiring to murder people by declaring them a curse you are hopeless

Cool, then don't get one if it happens to you.

Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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The drama.

"Women and Children first" values some lives more than others. Its baked into society whether you like it or not. At some point my life will be less valuable. Its a fact of life.

It just feels really ****ty to make a child, who was raped, give birth to a baby born of a heinous crime. It also allows the rapist to extend his bloodline through violence, manipulation. I agree with you it is homicide, but I can accept some homicide is justified.

Teslag said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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People have tried to kill me. So yes I know what it feels like to have someone feel your life isn't valuable. So save the hysterics. I'd much rather save the life of a family member than some stranger. Why? It's more valuable. So would most people.

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In what world does someone acting in self defense against a threat to their being equal some lives being more valuable? Your life isn't more valuable. The aggressor has actively made the choice to forfeit their right to life by threatening the life of another. It has to do with choice. Not the inherent value of a life. Hence why self-defense has very strict legal standards and you can't shoot any petty thug that you think is a scumbag.

Me personally valuing my family over strangers does not change the inherent value of each human life.

hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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The drama.

"Women and Children first" values some lives more than others. Its baked into society whether you like it or not. At some point my life will be less valuable. Its a fact of life.

It just feels really ****ty to make a child, who was raped, give birth to a baby born of a heinous crime. It also allows the rapist to extend his bloodline through violence, manipulation. I agree with you it is homicide, but I can accept some homicide is justified.

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Completely disagree with this. "Women and children first" has nothing to do with their humanity being more valuable and everything to do with societal structures and the desire to propagate and carry on blood lines. Hence why you can see that exact sentiment dying in the modern culture. Men acting nobly to protect their families in times of crisis does not mean that the men are inherently less valuable. It means they have the duty to fill the role of a man.

You're conflating the value of life with some sort of outcome-oriented criteria. That's the exact false logic spoke about in my prior post.

What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

Kvetch said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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Teslag said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Teslag said:

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Nope. She's not the product of the rape of my wife or daughter.

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so you only value some life

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This is correct. Some lives are more valuable than others. And I don't feel an ounce of shame saying that.

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Guess you should get back into the slave trade, then. Maybe re-establish the divine right to rule. Because that statement right there is the antithesis of everything that this country was founded on. And it's just downright ignorant since someone could say the same thing about you. You think your life has less value than someone with the physical or economic ability to establish dominion over you?

Real tough guy out here talking about how he'd murder babies because his life and feelings are more valuable than anyone else's. What a guy.

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The drama.

"Women and Children first" values some lives more than others. Its baked into society whether you like it or not. At some point my life will be less valuable. Its a fact of life.

It just feels really ****ty to make a child, who was raped, give birth to a baby born of a heinous crime. It also allows the rapist to extend his bloodline through violence, manipulation. I agree with you it is homicide, but I can accept some homicide is justified.

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Completely disagree with this. "Women and children first" has nothing to do with their humanity being more valuable and everything to do with societal structures and the desire to propagate and carry on blood lines. Hence why you can see that exact sentiment dying in the modern culture. Men acting nobly to protect their families in times of crisis does not mean that the men are inherently less valuable. It means they have the duty to fill the role of a man.

You're conflating the value of life with some sort of outcome-oriented criteria. That's the exact false logic spoke about in my prior post.

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We are evaluating a choice on whether to extinguish a life. That is an outcome-oriented discussion. Human life is precious, but when it comes to decide, an example: who are we going to draft to go to war and likely die, human life is not treated equally.

I am ok with abortion in the case of rape, provided the rapist has the same fate when found guilty.

We don't draft men because their lives are less valuable, and there's an active push on the left to start drafting women because they have the same shallow view that you're taking. That's also not even remotely an intellectually honest comparison for the topic at hand.

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We don't draft men because their lives are less valuable, and there's an active push on the left to start drafting women because they have the same shallow view that you're taking. That's also not even remotely an intellectually honest comparison for the topic at hand.

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Wrong. They are taking your view, all life is equally worth extinguishing. Get ready ladies. You are headed for the front line.

But swinging back on topic.

Correct, I'm asked to contemplate: give the OPTION to the family to kill one child created through a violent crime, or destroy the life of another living child AND give a rapist what he wanted; propagating his bloodline.


I can see how you get to your conclusion. Really ****ty situation either way. I don't know what I would do besides the obvious of putting hot lead in the rapist.

I don't know why some people argue with a certain poster after Safe, Effective, Free.

Anyone who was proudly espousing that isn't worth discussing serious topics with.

hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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We don't draft men because their lives are less valuable, and there's an active push on the left to start drafting women because they have the same shallow view that you're taking. That's also not even remotely an intellectually honest comparison for the topic at hand.

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Wrong. They are taking your view, all life is equally worth extinguishing. Get ready ladies. You are headed for the front line.

But swinging back on topic.

Correct, I'm asked to contemplate: give the OPTION to the family to kill one child created through a violent crime, or destroy the life of another living child AND give a rapist what he wanted; propagating his bloodline.


I can see how you get to your conclusion. Really ****ty situation either way. I don't know what I would do besides the obvious of putting hot lead in the rapist.

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You're conflating the natural value of life with specific outcomes. That's what the libs do. Hence why they say you should be allowed to murder your children if you feel like they'll be an encumbrance to your hopes and dreams.

We draft men because it is the role of the man to defend his country in a time of need. And because men put us in a better position to defeat the enemy. It has nothing to do with the life of men being inherently less valuable.

Punishing the child for the sins of the father is the exact antithesis of American ideals. It's not hard to understand why one would want to do it, but it's irrefutable that it's the wrong thing to do. And I reject the premise that bringing a person conceived under terrible circumstances ruins a woman's life. Killing the baby doesn't undo the rape, and if they don't want to be a mother adoption is an option.

You're literally telling another poster on this thread that his life is worth less because of something completely out of his control.

The Debt said:

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A child created by love is more of a child than one created by rape.

Weird take.

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FTK

Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?