Teslag said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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Exceptions are no different than what liberals did. Just a different line. If life truly matters the baby from rape should matter too. But republicans are willing to kill that innocent life.

The only exception should be for the life of the mother at stake.

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If my wife or daughter were raped and got pregnant from it I would want them to get an abortion asap and never think twice. I don't care if I have to go to jail, hell, or whatever punishment you see fit. I'd just want that scourge out of her and move on.

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That's what the morning after pill is for. No need to wait and see if they have gotten pregnant.

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Sorry nothing you can say would make me change my mind. I'd be disgusted knowing that child is alive on this earth.

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1) WTF is the matter with you? Imputing sins of the father to a child to this degree is seriously messed up.
2) Priority numerous uno in this situation is help your daughter overcome an incredible trauma. Many women (certainly not all, but many) find raising a child conceived from rape as therapeutic. It brings a positive out of an intense negative. Focusing on your own feelings and what YOU would want despite the fact that your daughter is a separate human with different thoughts and emotions and coping mechanisms is one of the most selfish things I've ever read on here.

Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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Tergdor said:

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Last time I checked, there's no situation where an abortion is needed to save the life of the mother when the fetus is viable. If it is viable they would just do a C-section. If it isn't, both are going to die.

It's not choosing one over the other, it's choosing to save one rather than none.

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Yes, but there are some instances where if the baby is 100% healthy and is killing mom. If it goes too long, mom will die and baby will shortly thereafter. When those situations arise (usually some form of placental detachment, some pre-eclampsia, HELLP syndrome), there are some states where the doctor's can't intervene until the baby is in enough distress or dies first.

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Not super familiar with placental detachment and HELLP. How often do this situations become serious before 25 weeks or so?

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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By what standard is that your position?

OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

No side will ever "win" regarding this topic, ever until we're all out of morals.

I'm absolutely pro-life for 99.9% of cases and agree a morning after pill (if a victim decides that is the way) should be available. I think the VAST majority of people should and do agree as a baby develops over the term, the thought of ending it's life is more and more barbaric, horrific actually.

A rational conversation or message from a civilized society should always start with how can we virtually eliminate the need for this procedure. Dems never include in their talking points the desire to reduce the instance. Why?

As far as the (understandable) hard-core stance against ANY abortion vs electability, if the other side takes complete control due to your steadfastness - congratulations you've lost the war. (Ie - China one child policy, no problem)

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

Wow, after reading your posts on abortion, I've totally changed my mind!

- said no one ever.

GeorgiAg said:

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Wow, after reading your posts on abortion, I've totally changed my mind!

- said no one ever.

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Usually, just not killing babies is convincing enough.

OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

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So it sounds like you don't agree that killing an unborn baby is murder. But we knew that already.

Really, there is nothing else to discuss.

NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

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So it sounds like you don't agree that killing an unborn baby is murder. But we knew that already.

Really, there is nothing else to discuss.

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Not a matter of what we think. You said government should enforce it as murder. But per the law, it isn't.

You're a statist. You're advocating big government force women to carry a rapist's baby.

OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

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So it sounds like you don't agree that killing an unborn baby is murder. But we knew that already.

Really, there is nothing else to discuss.

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Not a matter of what we think. You said government should enforce it as murder. But per the law, it isn't.

You're a statist. You're advocating big government force women to carry a rapist's baby.

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"You're a statist advocating for the prosecution of intentional homicide of a baby that exists whether you like it or not."

Ok, bud.

Kvetch said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

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So it sounds like you don't agree that killing an unborn baby is murder. But we knew that already.

Really, there is nothing else to discuss.

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Not a matter of what we think. You said government should enforce it as murder. But per the law, it isn't.

You're a statist. You're advocating big government force women to carry a rapist's baby.

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"You're a statist advocating for the prosecution of intentional homicide of a baby that exists whether you like it or not."

Ok, bud.

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You're making up laws that don't exist, so that you can feel better about forcing women to bear rapists' babies.

Y'all should get in some group therapy about whatever creepy fetish this is.

God killed 2,821,364 people in the bible alone. What's one more rape baby?

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Kvetch said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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NCNJ1217 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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Aggie4Life02 said:

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OG UNF said:

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What kind of sick **** would say the government should make a woman carry a rape baby to term? Some of y'all need to get a grip.

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God's standard of justice: Execute the rapist.
Your standard of justice: Execute the baby.

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God's justice would probably kill both. Just like with goat ****ers and sodomites, amigo.

Either way, go take your beliefs to a monastery or start a cult commune or something. Your "force women to keep rape babies" platform ain't good for my checkbook, because the dems will win every election until I croak.

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Okay to murder babies as long as it helps you win an election. That's your position?

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Anyone who wants big brother to force women who have been impregnated by rape, to carry that rapists baby to term and deliver it, is a psychopath. That's my position.

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You keep mentioning the government forcing this. The government shouldn't have anything to do with this except enforce our country's laws against murder. If killing an unborn baby is murder then it doesn't matter how the conception happened.

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Moot argument, there is no such law. There are laws on the books banning the medical practice in several places, but it's not murder under state or federal code.

So you're talking about the State telling someone they can't terminate the product of a rape.

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So it sounds like you don't agree that killing an unborn baby is murder. But we knew that already.

Really, there is nothing else to discuss.

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Not a matter of what we think. You said government should enforce it as murder. But per the law, it isn't.

You're a statist. You're advocating big government force women to carry a rapist's baby.

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"You're a statist advocating for the prosecution of intentional homicide of a baby that exists whether you like it or not."

Ok, bud.

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You're making up laws that don't exist, so that you can feel better about forcing women to bear rapists' babies.

Y'all should get in some group therapy about whatever creepy fetish this is.

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A single change in interpretation of the 14th amendment is all it would take to protect life. Every law is on the books. Its just a matter of extending personhood to every person. But hey, great argument. I'm sure that logic is great, historically. There's never been a just cause for a new law or varied interpretation. No precedent for that.

You act like this is a standard that only applies to rape. It's a standard that applies to everyone which would save millions of lives. Rape just happens to be what people like you fixate on to try and rationalize the systemic murder of babies. You know, kind of like how every systemic genocide requires painting the subject as subhuman.

You might want to re-evaluate who needs the support group.

Personhood to unborn children is one of the most asinine ideas I've ever heard.

"Well doc, my wife's pregnant, can you project a birth date so I can get the kid social security number. Better file for my tax breaks. Oh no, a miscarriage at 6 weeks, better get a death certificate going. Come to think of it, she had a glass of wine before she knew about the pregnancy, gee I wonder if the police will charge her with murder after their investigation."

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Personhood to unborn children is one of the most asinine ideas I've ever heard.

"Well doc, my wife's pregnant, can you project a birth date so I can get the kid social security number. Better file for my tax breaks. Oh no, a miscarriage at 6 weeks, better get a death certificate going. Come to think of it, she had a glass of wine before she knew about the pregnancy, gee I wonder if the police will charge her with murder after their investigation."

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You don't have to have legal citizenship status to be protected from murder. You literally just have to be recognized as a human being. I haven't seen those roving bands of militiamen hunting down illegal immigrants with no social security cards. Have you?

The rest of your nonsense is pretty simple stuff that you're trying to make sound like an impediment.

HTH.

OG UNF said:

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Personhood to unborn children is one of the most asinine ideas I've ever heard.

"Well doc, my wife's pregnant, can you project a birth date so I can get the kid social security number. Better file for my tax breaks. Oh no, a miscarriage at 6 weeks, better get a death certificate going. Come to think of it, she had a glass of wine before she knew about the pregnancy, gee I wonder if the police will charge her with murder after their investigation."

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A person is simply a living human. The attempt to make a false distinction between human and person is just an attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

A person is a living human. An unborn human is a living human. Therefore, an unborn human is a person.