MN Med School Dean: Shamanism and Western science are equally valid medical practices

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8:37p, 10/12/22
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So says the associate Dean of the University of Minnesota's Medical School.

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8:40p, 10/12/22
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It's getting to the point that, within 20 years, a med degree from Directional Caribbean University will be more valid than American schools.

Good grief.
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8:41p, 10/12/22
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Maybe equally valid as compared to 21st C Democrat " `Sciency' is Real"


Why would a professional care about marginalization having anything to do with the accuracy of their work?
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8:50p, 10/12/22
Well, considering what we've seen from the so called "medical community" in the past 2+ years, not sure Shamanism isn't at least as good.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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8:56p, 10/12/22
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Where are they on leeching and bloodletting? I feel like I should be paid a lot more for my barber skills.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 8:58p, 10/12/22
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Rapier108 said:
Well, considering what we've seen from the so called "medical community" in the past 2+ years, not sure Shamanism isn't at least as good.


Came here to post exactly the same thing. We've been listening to Shamans the past several years now.
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9:01p, 10/12/22
"We commit to uprooting the legacy and perpetuation of structural violence deeply embedded in the healthcare system."

Do these guys even read the **** they write? How TF is medicine plagued by "structural violence??"
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Deputy Travis Junior said:
"We commit to uprooting the legacy and perpetuation of structural violence deeply embedded in the healthcare system."

Do these guys even read the **** they write? How TF is medicine plagued by "structural violence??"
that is their go-to phrase these days.

environmental violence

structural violence

patriarchal violence

same with having to quantify justice:

social justice

racial justice

economic justice

climate justice


There is just justice. You can't just put a modifier on justice and have it serve your purpose. By picking winners and losers with these bast ardized justice modifiers you are creating INJUSTICE. Justice is blind, and anything deviating from true justice is INJUSTICE.
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9:19p, 10/12/22
I'll stick with doctors only older than me and when they are all gone, I'm pretty sure I'll be ready to go, too.
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9:20p, 10/12/22
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I love this idea.

Any liberal with a cold all the way up to a serious life threatening medical condition should only be treated by sound healers, shamans, and medicine men.

Being treated by western medicine is the epitome of white privilege. Quit being a hypocrite and own this crazy ***** Put your life on the line and treat that leukemia with herbal tea, incense, and acupuncture.
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9:21p, 10/12/22
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It will be generations before the medical profession is respected again. Now they're at the bottom of the respect ladder with politicians and criminals.
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In reply to CDUB98 • 9:24p, 10/12/22
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CDUB98 said:
It's getting to the point that, within 20 years, a med degree from Directional Caribbean University will be more valid than American schools.

Good grief.


Tons of PAs went to school in the Caribbean bc they couldn't get into a US school. I know a few, and they are so full of themselves.
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9:24p, 10/12/22
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Our institution is located on Dakota land.
Well ****, just give the land and entire school to the Dakotas and let them research and cure the health problems and concerns of today.

Get off their land!
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10:02p, 10/12/22
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10:04p, 10/12/22
Everybody smok'em peace pipe. Now you take a hit.
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10:08p, 10/12/22
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Wait a minute. Perhaps she's right. Perhaps I've been wrong to blindly follow the medical traditions and superstitions of past centuries. Maybe we barbers should test these assumptions analytically, through experimentation and a "scientific method". Maybe this scientific method could be extended to other fields of learning: the natural sciences, art, architecture, navigation. Perhaps I could lead the way to a new age, an age of rebirth, a Renaissance!..Naaaaah.





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1:05a, 10/15/22
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Equity
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1:38a, 10/15/22
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To think that I wouldn't have had to waste all those years studying science backed by actual data if I had just learned a few spells and tossed a chicken head under the bed...

But don't discount the efficacy of leeches. They saved the ear of my very first patient when I was an intern.
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In reply to Fat Black Swan • 1:52a, 10/15/22
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Good lord. Where to even begin with this.

"Indigenous knowledge is science"

Okay, WHAT knowledge specifically? What are we even talking about? An indigenous persons knowledge of the best places to gather berries and where to hunt isn't exactly relevant in the 21st century
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In reply to BenFiasco14 • 1:56a, 10/15/22
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Yeah, but she's a PhD, and she knows things.

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1:58a, 10/15/22
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The Mayan children are a bit aggressive.
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In reply to agent-maroon • 6:16a, 10/15/22
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agent-maroon said:
To think that I wouldn't have had to waste all those years studying science backed by actual data if I had just learned a few spells and tossed a chicken head under the bed...

But don't discount the efficacy of leeches. They saved the ear of my very first patient when I was an intern.
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6:40a, 10/15/22
"In illnesses one should keep two things in mind, to be useful rather than cause no harm"

primum non nocere or roughly "First, do no harm" my ass

Or Pri no facer suavitate "First, do no charms"
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6:41a, 10/15/22
A tip of the hat to our ancestors who conquered the new world. THANK YOU!!!!
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6:42a, 10/15/22
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Making tea from some root or herb and drinking it for headache relief isn't science because they did this over time and learned this concoction.

Science is testing and learning the chemical mechanism of what is happening within the body to create the relief.
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In reply to Ragoo • 7:00a, 10/15/22
Ragoo said:
Making tea from some root or herb and drinking it for headache relief isn't science because they did this over time and learned this concoction.

Science is testing and learning the chemical mechanism of what is happening within the body to create the relief.
You can do it the shaman way "chew willow bark" or take an aspirin.

I prefer the aspirin, much less fiber, but to each his own.

https://www.mountsinai.org/health-library/herb/willow-bark#:~:text=The%20bark%20of%20white%20willow,inflammatory%20effects%20of%20the%20herb.
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In reply to doubledog • 7:52a, 10/15/22
I dont believe you've actually ever chewed willow bark.

HAVE YA!?
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In reply to sam callahan • 7:56a, 10/15/22
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sam callahan said:
I'll stick with doctors only older than me and when they are all gone, I'm pretty sure I'll be ready to go, too.
Yep, any doctor I use will have to at least be Gen X going forward therefore my age or older. Anyone coming out of medical school in the last few years would require a quick scan of where there medical degree is from and then make an automatic yes/no decision on them.

Most docs in Texas I run across went to school here though so hopefully our schools have not succumbed to this crap yet.
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7:59a, 10/15/22
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"medical community" is just medical academia. they are in the same ivory tower as all other academia. make sure you pick the right doctor for what you need.
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In reply to Fat Black Swan • 8:26a, 10/15/22
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Que Te Gusta Mas said:
Equity
Your indigenous people didn't create the educational system

That enabled you to earn a PhD

Or create the platform

Or freedom

That has allowed you to spout your nonsense.
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In reply to Deputy Travis Junior • 8:31a, 10/15/22
Structural violence involved forcing the clot shot and aborting black babies. It's what the democrats believe in.
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