https://gmenergy.gm.com/

After you buy your Hummer EV they'll sell you a home energy management system.

Tesla is going to try and do the same here in Texas with Tesla Energy Ventures

They'll use the car's battery to "keep the lights on for 21 days".

More like a few hours if it's 100+ degrees outside in Texas.

Toyota is piloting whole home systems as well.

Nvmd. Mea Culpa

This is why the big bet on lithium is so important. Even if the EV market isn't as big as advertised initially, we need a revamping of our aged energy. Home batteries, solar, etc will help reduce the burden on the energy grid for homeowners and empower them to potentially contribute back and get a windfall in lesser months and keep them insulated in greater months.

Lithium is the key, refining, recycling, etc. It reminds me of the ole horse and buggy days when cars were first coming on the scene. We will see the gradual change over to this form greater than you all think.

It's coming, twenty years? Maybe ten? Who knows, but it is coming.

I think lithium is primed for obsoletion or certainly a reduction in use. Its just not efficient enough vs size / weight to become more pervasive.

The Thorium reactors are more promising long-term energy generation for residences.

Now if you wanted home energy backup with 99% less environmental impact then a wall of batteries, may I suggest a natural gas powered generator?

I hear you on thorium reactors but recycling and cost of lithium will reduce. Cars and batteries will be lithium driven first. Nuclear and thorium is definitely the better way to go but we are much farther for that.

I believe it got nuked because a certain beloved poster went off the rails. It was the one with everyone saying a Tesla or EV would be horrible during a hurricane evacuation because the battery wouldn't last in a 10 hour traffic jam like an ICE engine could, and then proceeded to make fun of Teslag and others for, rightfully, pointing out that an EV would a) recapture a lot of energy through regenerative breaking in such conditions and b) consume only negligible energy while "idling" and not moving since it's not performing any work, as opposed to an ICE vehicle that is constantly burning fuel at idle.

Apparently, many of our college educated posters could not understand that a circuit only draws power when it is closed.

The major problem would be fires. One house fire would take forever to put out. Could take other houses along with it.

And they are just getting started turning every salt bed into a rainbow of leach ponds. Congrats!

I am sure there is nothing in those ponds that comes with a California Prop 65 warning... nothing at all.

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I believe it got nuked because a certain beloved poster went off the rails. It was the one with everyone saying a Tesla or EV would be horrible during a hurricane evacuation because the battery wouldn't last in a 10 hour traffic jam like an ICE engine could, and then proceeded to make fun of Teslag and others for, rightfully, pointing out that an EV would a) recapture a lot of energy through regenerative breaking in such conditions and b) consume only negligible energy while "idling" and not moving since it's not performing any work, as opposed to an ICE vehicle that is constantly burning fuel at idle.

Apparently, many of our college educated posters could not understand that a circuit only draws power when it is closed.

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Was that the same "beloved poster" who asked how the car can indicate its charge level to the driver if the electric grid is down? Man that was funny.

I think problem is that the college educated posters you're referencing made up their mind about EV before they learned how it works.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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I believe it got nuked because a certain beloved poster went off the rails. It was the one with everyone saying a Tesla or EV would be horrible during a hurricane evacuation because the battery wouldn't last in a 10 hour traffic jam like an ICE engine could, and then proceeded to make fun of Teslag and others for, rightfully, pointing out that an EV would a) recapture a lot of energy through regenerative breaking in such conditions and b) consume only negligible energy while "idling" and not moving since it's not performing any work, as opposed to an ICE vehicle that is constantly burning fuel at idle.

Apparently, many of our college educated posters could not understand that a circuit only draws power when it is closed.

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Ah. At "idle", an EV is just a high tech battery pack.

Among other things, yes.

The battery on my three-year-old iPhone is going out. Since their batteries are apparently so great, maybe Tesla could share their battery tech with Apple? I bet a Tesla-branded iPhone would be a big seller.

Yeah basically. Unfortunately, we had A LOT of posters who could not understand that. It was cringeworthy Dunning-Krueger on full display

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I can't wait for all the campaigns against battery companies and EVs in 20 years when Libs realize that battery production and usage are actually more harmful to the environment. They'll conveniently forget they were the people who ran off the efficient, established, and increasingly cleaner energy a out of town.

Kind of like Corona and it's actual health impacts on society and the Corona shot disaster

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TexAgs91 said:

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I can't wait for all the campaigns against battery companies and EVs in 20 years when Libs realize that battery production and usage are actually more harmful to the environment. They'll conveniently forget they were the people who ran off the efficient, established, and increasingly cleaner energy a out of town.

Kind of like Corona and it's actual health impacts on society and the Corona shot disaster

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You give libs too much credit by assuming they ever come to that realization.

Obviously learned nothing from lessons of GE……

Should just call it GM is jealous of Tesla stock valuations.

Can someone with an EV answer an honest question for me? In regard to idiling and using no power, do EVs completely go into sleep mode when they are stopped? It seems to me that all the electronics are still on and consuming some power at least. Sure the motors use by far the greatest amount, but I would think there is some drain still. What about AC? Does that shut off as well?

If your AC shuts off at idle, I guarantee you that getting out of south FL in that season would not be fun.

I frankly don't care and the only reason you do is to snub the eye of the green movement. Who cares about the green movement? It's largely wrong anyway, but getting our country toward a better energy grid is important. Nuclear and thorium is clearly the way to go for cities, but houses and cars can't be thorium and nuclear dependent. You already have lithium powering your phones and laptops so buckle up.

One thing you can be sure of, the left won't want lithium pits in their backyard, Brazil however is all about it. Partner up with some lithium companies down there like SGML or ATLX.

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They'll use the car's battery to "keep the lights on for 21 days".

More like a few hours if it's 100+ degrees outside in Texas.

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They said lights, nothing about air conditioning or heating or dishwasher, or refrigerator or ...,,,,...

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Bird Poo said:

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They'll use the car's battery to "keep the lights on for 21 days".

More like a few hours if it's 100+ degrees outside in Texas.

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They said lights, nothing about air conditioning or heating or dishwasher, or refrigerator or ...,,,,...

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Exactly, and it was on purpose. Who cares about lights in Texas? I have all sorts of devices that provide light, but none of them keep me from sweating or freezing my ass off. Neither will an electric car hooked up to my home.

This isn't hard.

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Can someone with an EV answer an honest question for me? In regard to idiling and using no power, do EVs completely go into sleep mode when they are stopped? It seems to me that all the electronics are still on and consuming some power at least. Sure the motors use by far the greatest amount, but I would think there is some drain still. What about AC? Does that shut off as well?

If your AC shuts off at idle, I guarantee you that getting out of south FL in that season would not be fun.

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Not an EV expert (lord knows we have many here), but undoubtedly all of the electronics on the car could be powered on an running and still consume much less energy that the electric motors consume when hurling two tons of metal, glass and lithium down the highway. A/C will of course still draw power, more than the electronics but still much less than the motors. It only has to run a compressor and fan.

I would also think when parked in your garage, there would be very few electronics powered on and drawing current.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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https://gmenergy.gm.com/

After you buy your Hummer EV they'll sell you a home energy management system.

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So they can turn up your AC thermostat and throttle your EV charging. Because it's "bad for the grid". Woke green bull####

ABATTBQ11 said:

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I believe it got nuked because a certain beloved poster went off the rails. It was the one with everyone saying a Tesla or EV would be horrible during a hurricane evacuation because the battery wouldn't last in a 10 hour traffic jam like an ICE engine could, and then proceeded to make fun of Teslag and others for, rightfully, pointing out that an EV would a) recapture a lot of energy through regenerative breaking in such conditions and b) consume only negligible energy while "idling" and not moving since it's not performing any work, as opposed to an ICE vehicle that is constantly burning fuel at idle.

Apparently, many of our college educated posters could not understand that a circuit only draws power when it is closed.

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It got locked because people couldn't make arguments without personal attacks.

TexAgs91 said:

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Dig baby dig.