cisgenderedAggie said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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It's been very strongly suggested that the trial has inherent bias due to selection of individuals more likely to behave as told. It's also very clear that Pfizer created a purposefully biased design with their endpoint procedures. People were not tested at random or at any interval. PCR tests were only administered as confirmatory of symptomatic disease. No one needs to be told that this usage of testing was not normal after the vaccine was available.

Classic example of a trial being designed to game an endpoint for a win that isn't very applicable in the wild.

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Completely agree - but also was pretty clear from the information that was made available and discussed when the vaccines came out. I even think it was discussed on these boards.

And what also happened was that the USG agreed to buy millions of doses of vaccines and then was about to get stuck with them as demand dropped, so they had to manufacture demand by imposing vaccine mandates and pressuring private organizations to impose them too. That was the real issue behind the mandates.

This isn't hard. It was well documented he said it at the time.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/in-july-joe-biden-said-that-if-you-get-vaccinated-you-will-not-get-covid

Even Snopes agrees he said it.

We discussed the vaccines not stopping transmission. A certain other board on this website would get you banned if you suggested that there. Everyone who spoke about it on YouTube, Twitter, or in press conferences were treated like the ugly lady with a mole on her nose in Salem in the late 1600s.

The pharmacy execs the government and the medical community made no effort to stop the persecution and threw their lot in with totalitarian tactics. So while it may have been known to those of us who paid attention to information...it absolutely was not played that way in public.

Yep

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Someone needs to step forward and lead this country, and one area that could result in a major improvement would be to establish a 10-year rule or a 15-year rule, that essentially mandates a 100% reset of everyone in government. Career politicians are a scourge on our country, and we need a mechanism to prevent it from ever happening again. Along those same lines, the career state and federal employees need to go as well. This BS is sickening to watch and live through.

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The career beaurocrats are what needs to be reset.

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We discussed the vaccines not stopping transmission. A certain other board on this website would get you banned if you suggested that there. Everyone who spoke about it on YouTube, Twitter, or in press conferences were treated like the ugly lady with a mole on her nose in Salem in the late 1600s.

The pharmacy execs the government and the medical community made no effort to stop the persecution and threw their lot in with totalitarian tactics. So while it may have been known to those of us who paid attention to information...it absolutely was not played that way in public.

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The Covid board isn't discussing this. Or maybe the mods are deleting any post about this over there

To be fair it doesn't look like they are discussing much of anything lately.

People lost their jobs, their livelihood over this crap pushed on us. Our country was changed because of this lie. We even had a poster try to push this "safe and effective" vaccine down out throats 24/7. There should be financial restitution to all the people, especially military who were ruined over this, not to mention the people physically harmed.

cisgenderedAggie said:

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Definitely Not A Cop said:

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cisgenderedAggie said:

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Then you were sold. You were not well researched. This was plain as day. Many conservatives and Republicans and others that were opposed to mandates screamed this constantly.

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His point was that we enacted governmental policy nationwide behind this lie.

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Also not a shocking revelation. Also not the first (nor will it be the last) overbearing governmental policy pushed by information twisted to the point of a full on lie.

This "revelation" is not anything to get angry over. You should have already been angry and not stopped. This is political rage porn, nothing more.

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I bet when pharma execs and doctors start turning up with bullets in their head you won't call this "political rage porn" will you...?

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There is a whole lot of pharma execs that need to be swinging from gallows

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They saw the opportunity for a massive windfall on a global scale with guaranteed immunity and jumped on it like white on rice.

They couldn't give two flips about the real impact. They got theirs and are living large.

FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-town-hall-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/37096843

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Biden Quote: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said at the forum at Mount St. Joseph University.

He does not say you won't get infected. Quick read, but nowhere does the article say that the vaccine prevents spread or infection. It just says that the severe health effects are among the unvaccinated.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". That's the direct and exact quote.

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Live look at Cowboy Girl.

So "experts", politicians, the media, and Social media enforcers lied to us for 2 solid years that it was capable of doing this whole never knowing if that was really true? They can't have known, they would have had to presume.

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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I agree. This was sold as having a 90% or greater efficacy after prelim testing during the warp speed lead up. Only brought to market because of this alleged effectiveness. They didn't admit it lacked efficacy until it continued to spread like wildfire in the vaxd population.

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People lost their jobs, their livelihood over this crap pushed on us. Our country was changed because of this lie. We even had a poster try to push this "safe and effective" vaccine down out throats 24/7. There should be financial restitution to all the people, especially military who were ruined over this, not to mention the people physically harmed.

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He's still here. Just switched obsessions!

The only thing this thread tells me is that no one here actually knows what vaccines are supposed to do.

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The only thing this thread tells me is that no one here actually knows what vaccines are supposed to do.

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Clearly you don't, that's for sure.

We lost the free exchange of debate and exchange of ideas. We lost personal freedoms. Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, and even the mods on this site cracked down hard against honest debate. This is not a bright point in our history books that will be written in the future.

FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-town-hall-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/37096843

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Biden Quote: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said at the forum at Mount St. Joseph University.

He does not say you won't get infected. Quick read, but nowhere does the article say that the vaccine prevents spread or infection. It just says that the severe health effects are among the unvaccinated.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". That's the direct and exact quote.

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Yep - missed that part. And that's crazy for him to say because everyone who had paid any attention knew that wasn't true. But that's not the pharma companies lying about their testing. And what he said was inconsistent with CDC's own guidance on benefits of the vaccines.

How in the hell do real people exist that deny the vaccine wasn't sold, marketed, and promoted on the premise it would prevent infection?

You can argue all you want about how the vaccine was designed to work but that is NOT how this was pushed by the Covidians, F84, most of the medical community, and the entire Democratic Party. But hey, welcome back from that rock you just crawled out from under.

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The only thing this thread tells me is that no one here actually knows what vaccines are supposed to do.

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Including the brain dead vegetable that you voted for president.

CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-town-hall-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/37096843

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Biden Quote: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said at the forum at Mount St. Joseph University.

He does not say you won't get infected. Quick read, but nowhere does the article say that the vaccine prevents spread or infection. It just says that the severe health effects are among the unvaccinated.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". That's the direct and exact quote.

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Yep - missed that part. And that's crazy for him to say because everyone who had paid any attention knew that wasn't true. But that's not the pharma companies lying about their testing. And what he said was inconsistent with CDC's own guidance on benefits of the vaccines.

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People were discriminated against in their jobs, lives, and community for stating that. You didn't realize that?

Do you not remember the government, companies, hospitals, and essentially anywhere else in blue states promoting that it wasn't safe to be around unvaccinated people?

Definitely Not A Cop said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-town-hall-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/37096843

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Biden Quote: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said at the forum at Mount St. Joseph University.

He does not say you won't get infected. Quick read, but nowhere does the article say that the vaccine prevents spread or infection. It just says that the severe health effects are among the unvaccinated.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". That's the direct and exact quote.

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Yep - missed that part. And that's crazy for him to say because everyone who had paid any attention knew that wasn't true. But that's not the pharma companies lying about their testing. And what he said was inconsistent with CDC's own guidance on benefits of the vaccines.

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People were discriminated against in their jobs, lives, and community for stating that. You didn't realize that?

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'Member when they tried to force it through via OSHA fines on businesses over 50 employees?

Pepperidge farm 'members

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And nothing will happen.

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Actually, the EU doesn't give a crap about the blanket immunity that was extended to every possible organization or person negatively connected with COVID and the vaccines. The pharma companies, Fauci, governors, and anyone else complicit in this charade could get popped big time in Europe ... and I hope that's exactly what happens.

Please! The entire OSHA ETS was based on the premise that vaccinated employees couldn't transmit the virus.

https://www.osha.gov/sites/default/files/publications/osha4161.pdf

The message of the day was if you get the vaccine you won't get sick and can't get others sick…

Quite the Monday morning quarterbacking going on in the thread. Thank goodness My family and I were smart enough to see through all the lies.

CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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FriscoKid said:

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CowboyGirl said:

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This was always known - when the vax came out this was very clearly stated. This is why all the mandates made little sense.

But the thinking was that if you could shorten the duration, you'd shorten the window in which people could transmit. So even if it didn't prevent, it was expected/hoped to help cut down on spread.

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That is 100% not how it was sold to the public.

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CDC, WHO, and Johns Hopkins vaccines websites all indicated (still do) that vaccines would not prevent infection.

Even the Pfizer tweet above says that they didn't test whether vaccinated participants were protected from COVID by intentionally exposing them to the virus to see how they fared. All they did was give the vax and send people home. The fact that no one in the control group came down with COVID is interesting, and might suggest that there is some protection. But it is also possible that people took precautions or were otherwise never exposed.

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https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-town-hall-vaccine-covid-19-pandemic/37096843

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Biden Quote: "If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in the IC unit, and you're not going to die," Biden said at the forum at Mount St. Joseph University.

He does not say you won't get infected. Quick read, but nowhere does the article say that the vaccine prevents spread or infection. It just says that the severe health effects are among the unvaccinated.

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"You're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations". That's the direct and exact quote.

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Yep - missed that part. And that's crazy for him to say because everyone who had paid any attention knew that wasn't true. But that's not the pharma companies lying about their testing. And what he said was inconsistent with CDC's own guidance on benefits of the vaccines.

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You missed the "winter of death" for the unvaccinated?

What about this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated"?

The CDC was right there with the Biden administration. If you really "don't remember" then you weren't paying very close attention.

And the CDC now is claiming all of the cases of heart problems, strokes, blood clots etc. are not caused by the Fauci juice, but by "undiagnosed COVID."

Rapier108 said:

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And the CDC now is claiming all of the cases of heart problems, strokes, blood clots etc. are not caused by the Fauci juice, but by "undiagnosed COVID."

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And people will totally believe it. SMH. Never mind lol these issues ramped up when the vaccines started.

You are good. But, this whole experiment is majorly ****ed up.

It started with "15 days to flatten the curve" and ended with trying to force every single adult (and kid over 6MO) to take a completely ineffective vaccine after omicron hit. This was a really really dark time for our country and we don't even realize yet how bad it actually was.

Arresting people for not wearing a mask? Are you effing kidding me?

Incredible!

Rapier108 said:

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And the CDC now is claiming all of the cases of heart problems, strokes, blood clots etc. are not caused by the Fauci juice, but by "undiagnosed COVID."

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Bruh, its climate change, video games, cold showers, and exercise that is killing people of the suddenly. The Vaxxes protect against covid.

Dear lord this is some serious bull*****