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What kind of pies can one procure at Tarpon's Pie Emporium?

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Seasonal.
Sugar Free Peach is damn good (and generally ok if you have diabetes)

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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What is your source for this statement?

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Wall Street Journal

It's one reason why unemployment and the labor participation rates both went down.

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Ok, fine. I was just trying reconcile "small, dedicated group" and "a lot"

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A small, dedicated group of white-collar workers, in industries from tech to banking to insurance, say they have found a way to double their pay: Work two full-time remote jobs, don't tell anyone and, for the most part, don't do too much work, either.

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My ex-wife said to me just the other day that close to 30% of the new, work-from-home hires at her Fortune 500 company are suspected of "double dipping" (& a few are even trying to juggle 3 simultaneous jobs); "alot" and "a small dedicated group" are subjective measures with different meanings to different people, but 30% of just one company out of thousands tells me the problem MIGHT be greater than we are led to believe, and if 30% is found to be a national average, I submit that's a ****load of folks!

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Good, **** these corporations. They mostly all actively support leftist policies and have done nothing at all to fight against activist investors. I see little reason to care for them.

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Yep, a lot of "conservatives" put the economy before the nation / culture and would probably prefer if we all just lived in one giant economic free zone (which we kinda already do).

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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Lmao you think people actually spend 40 hours working. No one does this in an office. Most computer based jobs can usually complete their weekly job responsibilities in less than 20 hours. The only people who can't are old boomer and Gen X dinosaurs who can't use technology. So what takes someone like me 15 minutes will take them two weeks, but you see they are working 80 hours so that's better!

If you want to continue to WFH, you better know you role in the company. Far too many think they are the "high performers". The true high performers won't have an issue continuing to WFH.

Different companies will be able to handle it differently. If you are in a group with low turnover, then your ability to be known by your performance will continue to be enough and even just being a solid worker is enough to continue with WFH.

If you're a projects group where teams change all the time or in a high turnover group, there is a good chance you will be forgotten about if you're not effectively seen. The high performers will be fine, but the standard worker "meeting goals" will not be thought about because they're out of sight, out of mind. That can be a good thing for a while but it will lead to being passed over and when tough times get here, let go.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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Spoken like a good worker bee that can't figure out why they were passed up for that promotion!

In office work requirements have little to do with productivity and everything to do with management worrying that their lack of actual contributions to the company will be exposed. It's a lot harder to socialize and play political games when people are working remote.

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Recognition for work has nothing at all to do with production and everything to do with perception. If you look busy then people think you are busy, especially if your overall work product is good, you never miss deadlines, and you get along well with others.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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Spoken like a good worker bee that can't figure out why they were passed up for that promotion!

In office work requirements have little to do with productivity and everything to do with management worrying that their lack of actual contributions to the company will be exposed. It's a lot harder to socialize and play political games when people are working remote.

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Yes, all those layers of middle management and work support are deathly afraid they may have been becoming obsolete.

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Middle management at most companies are pretty worthless outside of the first layer of management. Beyond that and they pretty much aren't needed much at all.

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Said it months ago

Recession is coming (it's here now) and job cuts will follow. If you're one of those folks who has been actively fighting your company's mandate to return to the office then your name is on a list and you'll be the first to be let go

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Yep. The employee has had all of the leverage for a couple of years now. When SHTF this fall, that power dynamic is going to flip pretty hard. You will see company RTW policies hit first of year and it will be get on board or get left behind.

This assumes, of course, that the Democrats haven't permanently destroyed the concept of work in this country. I suspect we have created an entire new layer of people that will never work again which will lead us to implementing UBI.

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This is exactly why people do not want to return to work. If people were successful working for a company from home then why should they commute to an office space where they would do exactly the same thing. I can understand the position of the employee, however, if the boss says return to work or else. then that's it.

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I get that. I'm just saying that when the economy collapses (and there is no way it won't where Europe is headed) employers are going to flex hard and try to regain leverage.

I work in the office every week for more than forty hours. But I own the company. I take it from your response that you do not.

I have worked from home for over a decade and led my company in sales last year and will this year. I get a lot more done without people bothering me all of the time and don't waste time going to and from work every day. I use that time to work so after school I can focus on my kids which makes me a happier person.

My manager said as long as I am performing he can care less what I do

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I work in the office every week for more than forty hours. But I own the company. I take it from your response that you do not.

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I work in an office full time. I don't work from home. I've always been a high performer at every job, I just don't ignore reality and stick my head in the sand about office jobs.

Note: Gen X grew up with IP tech and developed the initial iterations of much of it. We also remember life without it, however.

The company I work for is going all in on work from home. They have sold the building that I worked at for 26 years (excluding the last 2+ from home), as well the other buildings in Downtown Dallas we had a presence in. We are moving to another building in the Downtown area - taking up 3 floors of a high rise. It will be a hotelling office - need to reserve a room or office when going in. Our executives are now spread out all over the US - Chicago, New York, San Francisco, Florida, etc.

I have loved working from home - I feel as though I am just as productive at home as I was in the office. I do miss the interaction with friends, colleagues, etc. in the hallways and the coffee room. At times I do feel like going back to working in the office full time would be good - but at this point, it will be several years before we would have a big enough space to house all of our employees - so it won't be happening anytime soon.

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Note: Gen X grew up with IP tech and developed the initial iterations of much of it. We also remember life without it, however.

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Sure, but I have seen many older Gen X guys in engineering struggle with basic excel items. I'm borderline Gen X/Gen Y. It's very very annoying watching people struggle with technology and take 10x longer trying to do something.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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Not my problem.

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It is when your pay gets cut. Or you don't get raises like those who do work 40 and get more done.

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Yep, and in that situation it would be up to the employee to do more if they aren't satisfied with their level of pay. For many the trade off is probably still favoring the 20 hours deal.

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Wait until the economy craters.

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One would hope someone drawing two six figure jobs would be saving the extra cash.

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Many are doing it out of necessity not for the hell of it. And inflation punishes savers.

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If I was able to double my salary even with inflation I'd come out ahead just sticking things in the bank. But I agree, probably better to use the extra cash to buy assets. For those doing it out of necessity, they have other issues.

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What I think will happen is that when the economy craters, and companies are laying off, they will require return to work and those who refuse will be let go. So people who work 2 jobs will have to pick one.

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I spoke with one of the IT Directors and he said the results were pretty bad. He didn't realize how much porn was being watched at work. One guy was going to porn twice a day.

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You Gotta Pump Those Numbers Up, Those Are Rookie Numbers

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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Not if you are paying me salary. So again, if you agree to pay me a yearly salary to accomplish certain tasks, and I can complete those tasks in half the time, then why would you be mad? You can either pay me more to accomplish more, or you can be happy that I'm making your business run more efficiently.

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I spoke with one of the IT Directors and he said the results were pretty bad. He didn't realize how much porn was being watched at work. One guy was going to porn twice a day.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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How is it fraud if they are capable of doing all of their work in 20 hours a week? Hell I can usually do most of my job in 10 hours or so because I am very efficient. Why is this fraud if they don't miss deadlines and always meet the requirements of their job?

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Agreed.

My employer has us still working remotely 3 to 4 days a week. During covid we found that our employees were actually more productive than when they worked from the office. Our boss, a millennial, has been pushing for us to go back to working all 5 days remotely, and the only reason we haven't is because the boomers she reports to still cling on to the mindset of having to physically see an employee working.

Fact is, there are plenty of ways to monitor your employees production without having to look over their shoulders a few times a day. Eventually those older mentality people will come around to the modern era, or in time just die off and the new guard can fully take over the reins. Either way, at least for some, telework isn't going anywhere, and that's not a bad thing.

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If I was able to double my salary even with inflation I'd come out ahead just sticking things in the bank. But I agree, probably better to use the extra cash to buy assets. For those doing it out of necessity, they have other issues.

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What I think will happen is that when the economy craters, and companies are laying off, they will require return to work and those who refuse will be let go. So people who work 2 jobs will have to pick one.

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And in this situation the employee would be able to come out ahead. Doubling one's salary (even if its just for 3 months) has a lot of upside.

We're never going to see eye to eye because we're in different positions. I own my company and have twenty employees. From my perspective, I provide you with a big, nice, safe office to work in, health insurance, a very competitive 401k match, brand new equipment and technology to ply your trade more effectively, paid leave, paid time off, etc. and all I ask in return is for you to work "full time" for me like you agreed to do when I hired you.

ETA: and here's a free tip for all of you juniors who work for someone else. Want to move up quicker? Instead of watching Tiger King at work when you're "done" with all of your work, go ask the boss for more. Or help another employee. Or do something for the betterment of the company. I can guarantee you that attitude will get you a lot farther than "I did all my work and am checking out while everyone else continues to labor."

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If I was able to double my salary even with inflation I'd come out ahead just sticking things in the bank. But I agree, probably better to use the extra cash to buy assets. For those doing it out of necessity, they have other issues.

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What I think will happen is that when the economy craters, and companies are laying off, they will require return to work and those who refuse will be let go. So people who work 2 jobs will have to pick one.

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And in this situation the employee would be able to come out ahead. Doubling one's salary (even if its just for 3 months) has a lot of upside.

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Unless you get laid off from both jobs because you don't produce as much as people who are in the office.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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I hope to never work for a salary job where this is the belief of management. If I produce work product value in greater excess than what a replacement could do at a similar wage why in the world would you fire me? Because of your insecurities. This belief that working harder/longer means producing more value is largely outdated when it comes to intellectual thought.

Also in America's corporate world working 40 hours is more like working 50 and if an emergency comes up for the company working 60-70 hours. Now they expect that adding a full time commute which will add cost, stress (of driving) and detracts from free time of their employee will improve performance. Okay. Good luck.

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We're never going to see eye to eye because we're in different positions. I own my company and have twenty employees. From my perspective, I provide you with a big, nice, safe office to work in, health insurance, a very competitive 401k match, brand new equipment and technology to ply your trade more effectively, paid leave, paid time off, etc. and all I ask in return is for you to work "full time" for me like you agreed to do when I hired you. .

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If you didn't give me enough tasks to fill a 40 hour workweek when you agreed to pay me a yearly salary, that's not my fault. And I'm not saying that I wouldn't be willing to take on more responsibility until I'm sitting behind a desk enough to make you happy. But just realize that you will be paying me more now.

Just to be clear, I'm in no way complaining about working long hours. I regularly work 50-70 hour weeks and weekends. I'm just saying I don't feel a lot of sympathy for managers misevaluating someone's productivity level during hiring and now are angry about them completing their tasks in a shorter time than expected. If all you want is for me to sit at a desk for 20 hours after I complete my assigned tasks, then you will be paying me more for that. If you want to increase my responsibility so that I'm not just sitting doing nothing for 20 hours a week, then you will be paying me twice as much. Both managers and employees are responsible for the decisions they made, is all I'm saying.

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We're never going to see eye to eye because we're in different positions. I own my company and have twenty employees. From my perspective, I provide you with a big, nice, safe office to work in, health insurance, a very competitive 401k match, brand new equipment and technology to ply your trade more effectively, paid leave, paid time off, etc. and all I ask in return is for you to work "full time" for me like you agreed to do when I hired you.

ETA: and here's a free tip for all of you juniors who work for someone else. Want to move up quicker? Instead of watching Tiger King at work when you're "done" with all of your work, go ask the boss for more. Or help another employee. Or do something for the betterment of the company. I can guarantee you that attitude will get you a lot farther than "I did all my work and am checking out while everyone else continues to labor."

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Or work 20 hours a week and use the other 20 to build your own business or acquire new skills and then bounce. Busting ones ass way beyond what you're paid to do usually gets rewarded with a pat on the back.

Not so sure about linkedin. I have a profile, but I hardly keep up with it. I've only made changes every couple of years and definitely don't update the resume/experience part. Way too many side responsibilities and projects to keep up with.

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We're never going to see eye to eye because we're in different positions. I own my company and have twenty employees. From my perspective, I provide you with a big, nice, safe office to work in, health insurance, a very competitive 401k match, brand new equipment and technology to ply your trade more effectively, paid leave, paid time off, etc. and all I ask in return is for you to work "full time" for me like you agreed to do when I hired you.

ETA: and here's a free tip for all of you juniors who work for someone else. Want to move up quicker? Instead of watching Tiger King at work when you're "done" with all of your work, go ask the boss for more. Or help another employee. Or do something for the betterment of the company. I can guarantee you that attitude will get you a lot farther than "I did all my work and am checking out while everyone else continues to labor."

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Here is a free tip: not all your employees can be all stars looking to climb the ladder. Yes it is important to have those employees who will work a little longer, help out coworkers and smooth over rough patches by flexing to the challenge. It actually annoys those star employees when they see management disparage employees who are 9-5 check out employees. Yeah they aren't working as hard but sometimes a cog in the machine just needs to do a job the other parts don't want to do.

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Not so sure about linkedin. I have a profile, but I hardly keep up with it. I've only made changes every couple of years and definitely don't update the resume/experience part. Way too many side responsibilities and projects to keep up with.

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I cancelled linkedin because its turned into facebook.

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I've never really seen salaried workers just given specific tasks to complete, but it's always been expected to seek out additional tasks as you complete others. There is always stuff to be done.

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I've always been paid to achieve goals and objectives. If the employer gives someone good performance reviews for achieving said goals and objectives then why does it matter if they get it done in 20 hours and not 40?

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Probably because I'm paying you for 40 hours, not 20. If you're able to get all of your stuff done in half the time, then switch to part time.

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I hope to never work for a salary job where this is the belief of management. If I produce work product value in greater excess than what a replacement could do at a similar wage why in the world would you fire me? Because of your insecurities. This belief that working harder/longer means producing more value is largely outdated when it comes to intellectual thought.

Also in America's corporate world working 40 hours is more like working 50 and if an emergency comes up for the company working 60-70 hours. Now they expect that adding a full time commute which will add cost, stress (of driving) and detracts from free time of their employee will improve performance. Okay. Good luck.

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I don't have any problems filling positions. And most of my employees are young and have been with me a long time. They work hard, I pay them well. They half azz and whine because the company doesn't revolve around a 20 year old's wants and whims, they don't make it. It's not complicated.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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I've worked a corporate gig for many years. The issue is that corporate folks, especially those calling for returning to the office, don't actually know how to measure productivity. Corporate America is still stuck on this idea that time=productivity. So, even though you spend 10 hours doing the same work in 7 days and Ethel Oldlady spend 40 hours doing the work in 7 days, you are both equally productive. That's not true.

I never realized or thought this through when I worked for the man. I was inside the system. I did my thing. I went home. Now, I own and run three separate businesses and each one has tasks to do during the week and at odd times. Each one also produces 3/4 of my oil job annually. Notice I did not say "each one requires 40 hours". When you own the company, your work is not measured in hours. It's measured in tasks that need to be completed by Wednesday or April.

People working from home are FINALLY exposed to total control of their work, making them a lot more like their own business owners. This Happens because they now have tasks that have to be done for work and when those are finished they can do tasks for themselves. That all reduces the productivity to tasks and not hours. Employers hate that.

And yes, when I worked in corporate America, where I had to sit in my chair for 40 hours, I worked for 20 hours, took two hour lunches, and ton smoke breaks with my buddies even though I didn't smoke, and generally screwed off on the internet until Friday. Glowing reviews. Never a missed deadline.

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Agreed. But there will be plenty of lower-producers signing up for it.

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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I've worked a corporate gig for many years. The issue is that corporate folks, especially those calling for returning to the office, don't actually know how to measure productivity. Corporate America is still stuck on this idea that time=productivity. So, even though you spend 10 hours doing the same work in 7 days and Ethel Oldlady spend 40 hours doing the work in 7 days, you are both equally productive. That's not true.

I never realized or thought this through when I worked for the man. I was inside the system. I did my thing. I went home. Now, I own and run three separate businesses and each one has tasks to do during the week and at odd times. Each one also produces 3/4 of my oil job annually. Notice I did not say "each one requires 40 hours". When you own the company, your work is not measured in hours. It's measured in tasks that need to be completed by Wednesday or April.

People working from home are FINALLY exposed to total control of their work, making them a lot more like their own business owners. This Happens because they now have tasks that have to be done for work and when those are finished they can do tasks for themselves. That all reduces the productivity to tasks and not hours. Employers hate that.

And yes, when I worked in corporate America, where I had to sit in my chair for 40 hours, I worked for 20 hours, took two hour lunches, and ton smoke breaks with my buddies even though I didn't smoke, and generally screwed off on the internet until Friday. Glowing reviews. Never a missed deadline.

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Well stated.

When you start out-sourcing certain tasks to freelancer workers, you realize how over-paid a large percentage of the population over 40 is.

What it takes them a day to hammer out in the office, many can do in 30 minutes remotely.

And the corporate heads have started to realize this -- which is why you are nuts if you think there won't be massive downsizing in building footprint once these leases come up for renewal.

Until then, you'll see a lot of "we have to utilize this space because we paid for it".

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A lot of people are two-timing their employers by having 2 full time work-from-home jobs. They work 20 hours for each and pretend they are working 40. They are using every excuse in the book to not have to come in and ruin that money train of fraud.

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How is it fraud if they are capable of doing all of their work in 20 hours a week? Hell I can usually do most of my job in 10 hours or so because I am very efficient. Why is this fraud if they don't miss deadlines and always meet the requirements of their job?

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How about your employer only paying you for the 10 hours you worked .....are you up for that?