PA Sec of State changes voter registration forms middle of the election cycle

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to add an application for mail in ballots. Confusion results.



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The Pennsylvania Department of State just changed its voter registration form to include a mail-in ballot application in the middle of an election cycle.

On Aug. 19, the Department of State combined the originally separate applications voter registration and mail-in ballot into one new form just 11 weeks before the general election.
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While election officials say the change was made to simplify the process, county election officials are concerned the new form will create chaos and undermine voter confidence.

"We believe this proposed form is likely to stoke new and undue confusion, concern and skepticism among voters at a time when it is imperative that we rebuild trust in our election system," Bucks County Elections Director Thomas Freitag wrote in a letter sent to the Department of State.

Freitag mentioned that the Department of State didn't inform counties of this change until about three weeks before and that in his discussions with county officials across Pennsylvania, "the consensus against this move was so resounding that a workgroup was formed to provide meaningful feedback to the State."
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Voters are also expressing concern about the new form. Lancaster County Elections Director Christa Miller told The Epoch Times that voters are unsure if they are registering to vote or registering for mail-in voting. The new form is now two pages, with the voter registration form on the front and the mail-in ballot application on the back. County officials are worried people registering to vote will be confused because the signature box is right below the mail-in balloting section.
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Election officials will now have to process two different actions with one form, in what is sure to amount to a logistical headache. Originally, voter registration and mail-in ballot applications were filed separately, but now counties must process half of the new form first and then make a copy of the mail-in ballot portion and file that second. And election officials are not prepared for it.
Here's the real kicker:

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"We were flooded with duplicate applications, and irate voters who received a mail-in ballot for the 2020 election who wanted to vote in person and were forced to cast a provisional ballot," Feaser continued. "We lost large numbers of poll workers because of the threats and anger directed at them by voters who became permanent mail-in voters in error. By rushing this form through, without putting in place appropriate safeguards, the Department is putting political interests ahead of the safety of Pennsylvania's election workers."
How many people truly believe that provisional ballots can ever be timely resolved? This is aimed at discounting/suppressing the election day in person vote. No other reason.

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We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
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When are we NOT in the middle of an election cycle?
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Win At Life said:

When are we NOT in the middle of an election cycle?
When it is not the year of a presidential or midterm election. So 2021 and 2023. They may still have local or state elections but without federal elections it is not considered part of the cycle.

ETA: Also between the primaries and the general is not a good time to institute changes.
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Paper ballot only, polling place only, purple finger

Anything else is a Dimokrat fraud waiting to happen

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You can have your mail in ballot sent anywhere you want it. A lot of people are going to find out on election day that "they" already voted by mail.
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HumpitPuryear said:

You can have your mail in ballot sent anywhere you want it. A lot of people are going to find out on election day that "they" already voted by mail.
And thus their votes won't be counted right away, if at all.
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aggiehawg said:

HumpitPuryear said:

You can have your mail in ballot sent anywhere you want it. A lot of people are going to find out on election day that "they" already voted by mail.
And thus their votes won't be counted right away, if at all.


If they are the right kind of votes they will be counted
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voters are unsure if they are registering to vote or registering for mail-in voting. The new form is now two pages, with the voter registration form on the front and the mail-in ballot application on the back. County officials are worried people registering to vote will be confused because the signature box is right below the mail-in balloting section.
Coming back to this. How hard is it to have the signature block on both pages? That way they can be separated for processing. One goes to the voter rolls, one goe to a list of people requesting a mail in ballot? Much less confusion that way.

Ideally, go back to two separate applications or better yet, restrict mail in ballots to "for cause" only.
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With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
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PA gonna PA

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Operations Chaos/Stack the Box

Confusion and chaos in order to lock down a state.




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Thought the legislature had to do that
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I've been saying they are going to continue cheating. Maybe the midterm shenanigans will wake more folks up.
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annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?
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No consequences for their illegal misdeeds in the last election - why should they change tactics?

If anything they will be even more brazen, as they know they have the support of the alphabet agencies and propaganda "media."
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Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?
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eric76 said:

annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?


Why should anyone be allowed to vote by mail for any reason? Can you give me sound reasoning why this needs to happen other than it makes it easier to cheat?
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eric76 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?


If voting is that important to you, don't plan a vacation on Election Day.
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eric76 said:

Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?

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Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
That's asinine. Nothing wrong with early voting at the polls
plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
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HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?


Why should anyone be allowed to vote by mail for any reason? Can you give me sound reasoning why this needs to happen other than it makes it easier to cheat?
If you want to make elections more secure, you are not going to do so by applying little bandaids to imaginary problems here and there.

Real security takes a good deal of thought and effort. Whether or not people can vote by mail isn't going to change a damned thing.

If you want to improve election security by 2012, the time to start is now. If all you do is apply piss-ant bandaids to the issue, you may feel like you are doing something, but you aren't accomplishing anything.
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HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?


If voting is that important to you, don't plan a vacation on Election Day.
Agree. The exceptions are not so numerous that you should run a nation around them. If its important to you, you will make it happen. And if for some reason you were incapacitated that day, it just wasn't in the cards. Election integrity overall is arguably far more important than every single one having the most convenient voting option possible.
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eric76 said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?


Why should anyone be allowed to vote by mail for any reason? Can you give me sound reasoning why this needs to happen other than it makes it easier to cheat?
If you want to make elections more secure, you are not going to do so by applying little bandaids to imaginary problems here and there.

Real security takes a good deal of thought and effort. Whether or not people can vote by mail isn't going to change a damned thing.

If you want to improve election security by 2012, the time to start is now. If all you do is apply piss-ant bandaids to the issue, you may feel like you are doing something, but you aren't accomplishing anything.


Outlawing mail in voting would eliminate the majority of voter fraud. Why are you always so dense?
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New World Ag said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
That's asinine. Nothing wrong with early voting at the polls
Exactly.

In my county, I think about 2/3 of the population voted early regardless of their political affiliation. And if some idiot starts screaming that the Democrats used that to cheat, they are full of *****
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HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?


Why should anyone be allowed to vote by mail for any reason? Can you give me sound reasoning why this needs to happen other than it makes it easier to cheat?
If you want to make elections more secure, you are not going to do so by applying little bandaids to imaginary problems here and there.

Real security takes a good deal of thought and effort. Whether or not people can vote by mail isn't going to change a damned thing.

If you want to improve election security by 2012, the time to start is now. If all you do is apply piss-ant bandaids to the issue, you may feel like you are doing something, but you aren't accomplishing anything.


Outlawing mail in voting would eliminate the majority of voter fraud. Why are you always so dense?
Only in your mind.
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titan said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?


If voting is that important to you, don't plan a vacation on Election Day.
Agree. The exceptions are not so numerous that you should run a nation around them. If its important to you, you will make it happen. And if for some reason you were incapacitated that day, it just wasn't in the cards. Election integrity overall is arguably far more important than every single one having the most convenient voting option possible.
It would mean that just about everyone away from home for work reasons would be disenfranchised. Or who have a long commute.
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Read the rules for casting a mail in ballot in person during early voting.

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Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
This.

I'm not sure when voting became the equivalent of storming the beaches at Normandy or Tarawa, but at some point it must have, because apparently it is one of the single most difficult and trying tasks known to Americans.
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eric76 said:

titan said:

HarryJ33tamu said:

eric76 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?


If voting is that important to you, don't plan a vacation on Election Day.
Agree. The exceptions are not so numerous that you should run a nation around them. If its important to you, you will make it happen. And if for some reason you were incapacitated that day, it just wasn't in the cards. Election integrity overall is arguably far more important than every single one having the most convenient voting option possible.
It would mean that just about everyone away from home for work reasons would be disenfranchised. Or who have a long commute.
You really go out of your way to twist yourself into some sort of made up narrative, don't you?


What is a "long commute"? I drive at least an hour each way to work...is that a long commute, medium commute, etc?
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schmellba99 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
This.

I'm not sure when voting became the equivalent of storming the beaches at Normandy or Tarawa, but at some point it must have, because apparently it is one of the single most difficult and trying tasks known to Americans.
And to throw the more difficult situations a bone, it absolute should be national holiday, with as much closed as at Christmastime. Maybe two days if need be. Trade that for getting rid of the distortions of early voting.
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eric76 said:

annie88 said:

We knew they'd cheat and they are.

They're just not hiding it anymore, not that they did a good job hiding it in 2020.

They got away with it then, they most likely will from this point out.
Is it really cheating to change a form?

Or just a bit confusing?
Changing forms, changing laws weeks before election day, stopping the count during the night, proven over drops of ballots, it's all part of a huge deal. It's not just one thing and yes changing a form can lead to all of this.

I hope that the upcoming elections will be safer than they were in 2020 but I don't have a lot of confidence in it. I would like to think that our election process is fair. But it wasn't in 2020.

But I don't think we will truly know until a really big election for president again. The smaller midterm elections although just as detrimental in some ways, may not show it in force. I hope a lot of this has been rectified before this year's elections.
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And to throw the more difficult situations a bone, it absolute should be national holiday, with as much closed as at Christmastime.
So only Chinese restaurants are open?
Tom Doniphon
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eric76 said:

Tom Doniphon said:

With the exception of active military, everyone should vote in person at polling place, on day of election. It's either that important or it ain't. Can't have it both ways.
If you are going to be out of town on election day, you should forfeit your right to vote?

How important is voting to you?
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aggiehawg said:

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And to throw the more difficult situations a bone, it absolute should be national holiday, with as much closed as at Christmastime.
So only Chinese restaurants are open?
Could be. Like those few crazy exceptions Christmas Day.
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