Howdy Dammit said:
Don't waste your breath debating. If you still vote for this **** at this point, you always will
Rivian has dropped the cheapest versions of their truck and SUV which results in a $5,500 increase so they did a little bit of an end around on it.coupland boy said:
Someone mentioned that the cost of these vehicles spiked a bit after the spending bill and the associated tax credits.
If anyone has a link or data I would appreciate it. I'd like to use it in a debate about this student loan bull**** today. If it is not true i just won't use it.
Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
coupland boy said:
Someone mentioned that the cost of these vehicles spiked a bit after the spending bill and the associated tax credits.
If anyone has a link or data I would appreciate it. I'd like to use it in a debate about this student loan bull**** today. If it is not true i just won't use it.
Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
slaughtr said:Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
I must have missed that on all the cars I've bought lately. Clearly, the Jag, Porsche and Jeep I have bought in the last two years just aren't with the program. I can't turn on the A/C on those cars from a mile away and let it run while I walk the 15 minutes to it. But if you say so, okay. To the other poster's point though, the A/C on electric cars is great.
Tom Doniphon said:
Nice humble brag on the Porsche and Jag.... but a $30k Ford or Chevy will turn the AC on for 30 minutes before you get to it. You might wanna let the folks at Porsche and Jaguar know.
slaughtr said:Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
I must have missed that on all the cars I've bought lately. Clearly, the Jag, Porsche and Jeep I have bought in the last two years just aren't with the program. I can't turn on the A/C on those cars from a mile away and let it run while I walk the 15 minutes to it. But if you say so, okay. To the other poster's point though, the A/C on electric cars is great.
I turned on the AC in my truck while in a plane taxying to the gate. If I've got an internet connection, I can start my truck from anywhere in the world. I had the same ability with my previous truck.slaughtr said:Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
I must have missed that on all the cars I've bought lately. Clearly, the Jag, Porsche and Jeep I have bought in the last two years just aren't with the program. I can't turn on the A/C on those cars from a mile away and let it run while I walk the 15 minutes to it. But if you say so, okay. To the other poster's point though, the A/C on electric cars is great.
Anyone buying one of these and calling it a Mustang should be publicly embarrassed over and over again.PLUM LOCO said:
Ford ups E-Mustangs price $8100 on 8/25/22
slaughtr said:Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
I must have missed that on all the cars I've bought lately. Clearly, the Jag, Porsche and Jeep I have bought in the last two years just aren't with the program. I can't turn on the A/C on those cars from a mile away and let it run while I walk the 15 minutes to it. But if you say so, okay. To the other poster's point though, the A/C on electric cars is great.
How did they account for hybrid vehicles? Could that explain the difference since a lot of those could be considered either or both?Rascal said:
Screen grabbed these two charts from a recent webinar I watched on the Auto industry.
Interesting and curious of the 2030 trendline is viable.
My other question (that wasn't answered in the webinar) is why do these market share % totals between EV and Gas not equal 100%?
You think Tesla's are ugly?Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
IslanderAg04 said:slaughtr said:Howdy Dammit said:slaughtr said:Literally one of the best things about my EV is I can turn on the A/C using an app on my phone before I go out in the parking lot and it's icy cold when I open the door. Running the A/C has minimal effect on the range in my experience.Teslag said:Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Lol.
Every vehicle has this. Not just EVs
I must have missed that on all the cars I've bought lately. Clearly, the Jag, Porsche and Jeep I have bought in the last two years just aren't with the program. I can't turn on the A/C on those cars from a mile away and let it run while I walk the 15 minutes to it. But if you say so, okay. To the other poster's point though, the A/C on electric cars is great.
Wifes 2020 Subaru Ascent does this through starlink.
Literally every manufacture does this.
They're ok looking.They look like most sedans; four doorsy.Saxsoon said:You think Tesla's are ugly?Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
Houstonag said:
EVs will not turn out to be the panacea promised. They are not cost effective and are heavily subsidized. Technically they are an expensive golf cart for local use. They are also ugly.
They do not work well in the hot climates demanding AC use. It reduces the range and that is not mentioned. Additionally the charging burden to the grid will end up being a real deterrent.
