Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
AGHouston11 said:Eliminatus said:13B said:I don't even understand how he can be within 50 points.Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
Because Texas is more purple than most here will admit to. Not that I am not going to try to convince anyone here but it is the truth I live and see in my own experiences.
It's is exactly.
Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin - all are no different than California at this point. Harris County even with the morons in charge.
Hungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
With the number of mistakes Robert has made, how is he only down 10 points?Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
I'm not sure if you've heard, but the cheaters rejected Trump. Not the same as voters rejecting Trump.Hungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
Quote:I'm not sure if you've heard, but the cheaters rejected Trump. Not the same as voters rejecting Trump.Quote:
Hungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
LegalDrugPusher said:
That's my girl
titan said:
Impressive!
Governor Abbott needs to do this with that fool Beto, and expose what he is behind all the Media's attempted glossing.
However, she is over-bold to let them choose the moderator and even write the questions. Praise for her confidence, and maybe she is ready for it, but we saw how Wallace was able to sabotage the first Presidential debate on Sep 29, 2020. And the same thing happened with Romney in 2012.
Moderator interference can be a big thing -- but if she is not worried about it and loaded for bear, so be it.
rocky the dog said:Quote:I'm not sure if you've heard, but the cheaters rejected Trump. Not the same as voters rejecting Trump.Quote:
Hungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
Maybe so, but the one thing that most people know about O'Rourke is that he is for gun control. In this state even many of the dems like to carry guns. Can't help but wonder what his numbers would look like if he ran as O'Rourke instead of Beto.Eliminatus said:13B said:I don't even understand how he can be within 50 points.Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
Because Texas is more purple than most here will admit to. Not that I am not going to try to convince anyone here but it is the truth I live and see in my own experiences.
she is going to lose along with the other Trump candidate MastersHungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
"win in a landslide"!?!?!MostlyHarmless said:Maybe so, but the one thing that most people know about O'Rourke is that he is for gun control. In this state even many of the dems like to carry guns. Can't help but wonder what his numbers would look like if he ran as O'Rourke instead of Beto.Eliminatus said:13B said:I don't even understand how he can be within 50 points.Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
Because Texas is more purple than most here will admit to. Not that I am not going to try to convince anyone here but it is the truth I live and see in my own experiences.
As for Kari Lake, damn I like that woman. I really hope she wins in a landslide and fixes their issues out there.
Just because it's not likely isn't going to keep me from hoping.LMCane said:"win in a landslide"!?!?!MostlyHarmless said:Maybe so, but the one thing that most people know about O'Rourke is that he is for gun control. In this state even many of the dems like to carry guns. Can't help but wonder what his numbers would look like if he ran as O'Rourke instead of Beto.Eliminatus said:13B said:I don't even understand how he can be within 50 points.Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
Because Texas is more purple than most here will admit to. Not that I am not going to try to convince anyone here but it is the truth I live and see in my own experiences.
As for Kari Lake, damn I like that woman. I really hope she wins in a landslide and fixes their issues out there.
she will be lucky to win by .5%
most likely she will lose by 2.5%
I can certainly understand your hesitancy to support her at first blush due to that history. But the border issues, drug and cartel issues and election integrity being at the forefront of her campaign are too important to overlook.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Obama in 2008 when the choice was McCain and more of the Bush-Cheney era is whole different thing from 2016. Now if she was a Hillary supporter it would probably be a red flag indeed.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Titan, think about what you are saying. Obama preferable to McCain. While I'm no John McCain fan, yes, I would have preferred him to what has been unleashed on this country since that election.titan said:Obama in 2008 when the choice was McCain and more of the Bush-Cheney era is whole different thing from 2016. Now if she was a Hillary supporter it would probably be a red flag indeed.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Had it not been for Palin, not sure I would have voted for President (down ballot only) in 2008. If McCain had gotten his first choice of Lieberman I would have sat out on that race.Quote:
Full disclosure: I've only been back in AZ since 2018, so he was never my Senator. That being said, I voted for him in the 2008 POTUS election.
texsn95 said:
She's pretty easy on the eyes too...
I used to believe this but Democrats are now losing Hispanics. Texas is going the way of Florida and turning more red.Eliminatus said:13B said:I don't even understand how he can be within 50 points.Teslag said:
Latest poll has Beto down 10 points. Abbott just needs to not make any mistakes at this point.
Because Texas is more purple than most here will admit to. Not that I am not going to try to convince anyone here but it is the truth I live and see in my own experiences.
It is definitely.neil88 said:
Agreed. This November is so important and I fear the steal is still on across the country!
What has been unleashed since, yes, but that is hindsight. Whereas the McCain at the time made clear that if anything he was going to continue the weary path of seeking out conflicts. The Iraq War had destroyed the Republican Party in 2006. In 2008 it was as others posted Sarah Palin that actually gave the ticket appeal again. Never mind the things said about her since---in a way she was the first victim of the MSM gang-up we would see with Romney, then Cruz and Trump. At the time she was a positive draw.neil88 said:Titan, think about what you are saying. Obama preferable to McCain. While I'm no John McCain fan, yes, I would have preferred him to what has been unleashed on this country since that election.titan said:Obama in 2008 when the choice was McCain and more of the Bush-Cheney era is whole different thing from 2016. Now if she was a Hillary supporter it would probably be a red flag indeed.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Full disclosure: I've only been back in AZ since 2018 (was here for a cup of coffee (< 6 months) back in 1989 while serving in the USAF), so he was never my Senator. That being said, I voted for him in the 2008 POTUS election.
Even still, you thought Obama was the better choice?titan said:What has been unleashed since, yes, but that is hindsight. Whereas the McCain at the time made clear that if anything he was going to continue the weary path of seeking out conflicts. The Iraq War had destroyed the Republican Party in 2006. In 2008 it was as others posted Sarah Palin that actually gave the ticket appeal again. Never mind the things said about her since---in a way she was the first victim of the MSM gang-up we would see with Romney, then Cruz and Trump. At the time she was a positive draw.neil88 said:Titan, think about what you are saying. Obama preferable to McCain. While I'm no John McCain fan, yes, I would have preferred him to what has been unleashed on this country since that election.titan said:Obama in 2008 when the choice was McCain and more of the Bush-Cheney era is whole different thing from 2016. Now if she was a Hillary supporter it would probably be a red flag indeed.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Full disclosure: I've only been back in AZ since 2018 (was here for a cup of coffee (< 6 months) back in 1989 while serving in the USAF), so he was never my Senator. That being said, I voted for him in the 2008 POTUS election.
That mirrors what many said back then. What surprised me was the number of vets that didn't like him. It has since become a little more clear some backstory behind it. At the time the main concern heard was the seeming "never met a war didn't like" factor. And yet Palin made up for it because put energy back into it all.aggiehawg said:Had it not been for Palin, not sure I would have voted for President (down ballot only) in 2008. If McCain had gotten his first choice of Lieberman I would have sat out on that race.Quote:
Full disclosure: I've only been back in AZ since 2018, so he was never my Senator. That being said, I voted for him in the 2008 POTUS election.
Even McCain's own mother acknowledged Republicans would have to hold their noses to vote for McCain.
Me took evening of election day, a couple of stiff scotches to walk to my polling place a few houses down on the corner.
I was always an early voter, when available, before that election.
No. It just felt like one of those years where had no choices. But really didn't expect him to be worse than Clinton so held out some hope when he won it would work out. That last till about February '09.neil88 said:Even still, you thought Obama was the better choice?titan said:What has been unleashed since, yes, but that is hindsight. Whereas the McCain at the time made clear that if anything he was going to continue the weary path of seeking out conflicts. The Iraq War had destroyed the Republican Party in 2006. In 2008 it was as others posted Sarah Palin that actually gave the ticket appeal again. Never mind the things said about her since---in a way she was the first victim of the MSM gang-up we would see with Romney, then Cruz and Trump. At the time she was a positive draw.neil88 said:Titan, think about what you are saying. Obama preferable to McCain. While I'm no John McCain fan, yes, I would have preferred him to what has been unleashed on this country since that election.titan said:Obama in 2008 when the choice was McCain and more of the Bush-Cheney era is whole different thing from 2016. Now if she was a Hillary supporter it would probably be a red flag indeed.neil88 said:
I didn't vote for Kari in the GOP Primary here in Arizona. I take issue with her having voted for Obama in 2008 and for actually registering as a Democrat (though she apparently came back to the Republican Party sometime after 2012). I was also worried about her lack of executive experience given that a Governor doesn't rule by decree but actually has to work with the Legislature.
All that being said, she has my full and unwavering support now that she is the Republican nominee for Governor of Arizona. Katie Hobbs would be a disaster for this state. A lot of blue has infiltrated through open borders with both Mexico AND California (not to mention New Mexico and various Snow Birds who migrate seasonally from blue states -- one hopes they are only able to vote in their state of legal residence).
LDP - if you talk to her again, tell her we're counting on her!
Full disclosure: I've only been back in AZ since 2018 (was here for a cup of coffee (< 6 months) back in 1989 while serving in the USAF), so he was never my Senator. That being said, I voted for him in the 2008 POTUS election.
LMCane said:she is going to lose along with the other Trump candidate MastersHungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
so we lose Senate Seats and Governor
Is there the slightest reason to believe an open borders Democrat has the lead in Arizona right now? Given Kari's energy and momentum, its difficult to see AZ -- who was ripped off in 2020 and now let down by Sinema --- choosing to continue to vote Democrat at all. Do you see any such indication?LegalDrugPusher said:LMCane said:she is going to lose along with the other Trump candidate MastersHungry Ojos said:
Is there any chance she can win?
How do we square Arizona rejecting Trump in the last election, to changing their mind and voting for a Trump candidate that is exactly like him this time around?
Why are we optimistic about her?
so we lose Senate Seats and Governor
Sounds like you want her to lose. But she won't and I will make damn sure you know it.
stetson said:
She is doing exactly what I have been calling on Republicans to do for years; stop being defensive, go offensive/proactive, take the fight to them, call them out, call them what they are, Marxists. This is refreshing to see and gives me hope; Trump, DeSantis, Lake, Boebert…