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Differences in office culture by gender
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My wife still doesn't understand how our 4 boys can be in a fight one minute, then 5 minutes later be laughing and joking together.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Madman said:
how to put this.
I have noticed that my company's customer service team, all female, takes better care of the good looking sales guys than they do the ugly ones.
No data to back that up but it really looks like that is the case to me.
Good looking men have extreme advantages in the workplace with women. They automatically defer to them on damn near everything. It doesn't matter if the women are single or married, it's such an ingrained genetic instinct that the women don't even know they are doing it.
Also, ugly men are utterly invisible to women and they are disgusted at the very thought of being forced to interact with them. These men will be forever screwed at the office and there is nothing they can do to fix it.
DallasAg 94 said:
I think this stems from playing team sports.
Men grow up and realize even if someone is unlikable, they still need to contribute. You work around it and press forward. Many times, you just have to increase your own contribution. You may not like the person, but the job has to be done.
When you have a mixed group... the decrease in contribution begins when a woman sees an unlikable person. Then, seeing reduced contribution of the woman, men realize that their own increased productivity has limited benefit and they respond with lower contribution to match the efforts of the woman.
TL DR... men will match effort and contribution to others regardless of likability. If equal contribution, they'll remain productive. If one person starts to be less productive, they too will reduce contribution.
No, this is pure genetics at work because it crosses all cultures and societies.
That's why overly feminized societies in the upper level of decision making decline.DallasAg 94 said:
I think this stems from playing team sports.
Men grow up and realize even if someone is unlikable, they still need to contribute. You work around it and press forward. Many times, you just have to increase your own contribution. You may not like the person, but the job has to be done.
When you have a mixed group... the decrease in contribution begins when a woman sees an unlikable person. Then, seeing reduced contribution of the woman, men realize that their own increased productivity has limited benefit and they respond with lower contribution to match the efforts of the woman.
TL DR... men will match effort and contribution to others regardless of likability. If equal contribution, they'll remain productive. If one person starts to be less productive, they too will reduce contribution.
Women are driven by emotion and crave drama. Among women, the word "frienemies" was coined to reflect them. This does not exist among men.PatriotAg02 said:
Women are balls of hate/emotion
This is why women really do not like working for women bosses and companies run solely by women fail.
dmart90 said:
Women have been in the workforce now for years, for the better, and that's not changing. If you don't like it, you and the rest of your 1776 Restoration Movement friends can go find an island somewhere and start your own society.
Really proving the point here
Well no ****
Ancient cave man can't stand ******* cavemate. But cavemate keep fire through night and chuck spear far. Will put up with ******* so caveman can stay warm and eat
Ancient cave man can't stand ******* cavemate. But cavemate keep fire through night and chuck spear far. Will put up with ******* so caveman can stay warm and eat
Honestly, if you see how middle school and high school aged girls treat each other, none of this should be surprising. I have seen girls form lifelong hate pacts against their former best friends over the most petty of bullsh**...I've seen them turn entire groups against other girls to the point it makes their life a living hell and it literally ends up altering their path in life for the worst. Girls are the absolute worst and most relentless bullies. Obviously, there are many girls who are above this type of stuff, but it's just super prevalent among females.
It is no surprise to me that there are factions of females in our office who don't like or refuse to deal with each other. We have had to move women to other depts just to break them up before. I have never ever witnessed anything of the sorts with men. It is ALWAYS women. And again, to be fair, many if not most women in our office are well behaved and don't seem to involve themselves in this type of drama.
Meanwhile, at just about any age, men can literally fist fight each other, and then go out for beers soon after to squash the beef. Sometimes coming out of a fight solid friends. Men are driven more by RESPECT and HONOR. Women are too guided by emotion (in general).
It is no surprise to me that there are factions of females in our office who don't like or refuse to deal with each other. We have had to move women to other depts just to break them up before. I have never ever witnessed anything of the sorts with men. It is ALWAYS women. And again, to be fair, many if not most women in our office are well behaved and don't seem to involve themselves in this type of drama.
Meanwhile, at just about any age, men can literally fist fight each other, and then go out for beers soon after to squash the beef. Sometimes coming out of a fight solid friends. Men are driven more by RESPECT and HONOR. Women are too guided by emotion (in general).
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
PatriotAg02 said:
Women are balls of hate/emotion
Worked at a job once where we had a group of four women that handled marketing, admin, stuff like that. They had like their own little fiefdom going on and there were several times they got into shouting matches about completely irrelevant **** (so and so was **** talking me etc) while the men in the office just went about their business.
There was a few times the manager of the office had to sit them down for come to Jesus meetings though. Basically, keep your personal beefs where we can't see or hear it
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
you should see the differences between Israelis and Americans in the office!!
Anyone who has ever coached youth sports knows this.
Boys may not like each other, but they will cooperate for the sake of the team.
Girls will not pass the soccer ball to an open player because they don't like each other.
Boys may not like each other, but they will cooperate for the sake of the team.
Girls will not pass the soccer ball to an open player because they don't like each other.
There is a dude in our office who looks like the typical beaten down corporate slave...tall lanky bald dude who wears button up short sleeve shirts and could have been an extra in "Office Space"...took a little while even for men to really socialize with him...mostly because he was new and kind of quiet, but we quickly realized how f'n funny and good hearted he was and he even owns a sh**load of firearms of all types, hates the government and now we are all talking about going shooting together soon.BAP Enthusiast said:Madman said:
how to put this.
I have noticed that my company's customer service team, all female, takes better care of the good looking sales guys than they do the ugly ones.
No data to back that up but it really looks like that is the case to me.
Good looking men have extreme advantages in the workplace with women. They automatically defer to them on damn near everything. It doesn't matter if the women are single or married, it's such an ingrained genetic instinct that the women don't even know they are doing it.
Also, ugly men are utterly invisible to women and they are disgusted at the very thought of being forced to interact with them. These men will be forever screwed at the office and there is nothing they can do to fix it.
He's married with kids so it's all good, but you still feel bad for him because you can tell he's virtually nonexistent to women. One girl I've worked with for a long time commented on how creepy they thought he was and I actually had to stand up for him and tell her he was actually a cool dude and hilarious.
The common narrative is how shallow men are, but some of the women I respect or like the most are good natured females who are not in any way under any standard considered attractive. I see a lot more of this than females giving unattractive men any sort of time of day.
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
Being a mid career, married guy whose given up on the corporate rat race is somewhat freeing.
That dude couldn't give two ****s about any woman (or man's) opinion about him.
That dude couldn't give two ****s about any woman (or man's) opinion about him.
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I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
Again, I don't think sports changes it, as much as sports reveals it.
I don't think it's college sports that makes a woman a good worker, I think it's that the women who are driven enough to play college sports are good workers. It's the personality type that play sports at that level, not the changes the sport produces.
That being said, my wife is not an athlete, but she is driven and not given to gossip. She taught math briefly, and one of her high school students said he liked her, because she "didn't think like a girl".
I put a sign in my office which read "If you're not in my office to talk about work then get out", of course I got into trouble but the message was delivered. I don't have time to listen to you ***** about traffic every single day, yes I know it sucks, get over it.
Gen x hasn't done a damn thing except pat themselves on the back
Unless they're leftists, since leftists act like women regardless of their biological sex.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
BAP Enthusiast said:
https://academic.oup.com/ej/article-abstract/130/627/716/5715606?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=falseQuote:
We study the effect of likeability on women's and men's team behaviour in a lab experiment. Extending a two-player public goods game and a minimum effort game by an additional pre-play stage that informs team members about their mutual likeability, we find that female teams lower their contribution to the public good in the event of low likeability, while male teams achieve high levels of co-operation irrespective of the level of mutual likeability. In mixed-sex teams, both women's and men's contributions depend on mutual likeability. Similar results are found in the minimum effort game. Our results offer a new perspective on gender differences in labour market outcomes: mutual dislikeability impedes team behaviour, except in all-male teams.
This explains so much of modern team building efforts. Back when work environments were almost entirely men, you didn't need to do any of this. Even then, team building was far better anyway because the men generally did hang out and go to the bar or cigar room and tended to be friends outside of work.
Turns out introduce women causes likeability to become an issue in the office and if the women don't like each other people then their productivity drops while it has no effect upon men at all.
Makes sense, at least, the male side of things, I can hate your guts but if we have a common goal to complete, all things get put aside during that time and I will be your best ally and have your back.
one MEEN Ag said:
Being a mid career, married guy whose given up on the corporate rat race is somewhat freeing.
That dude couldn't give two ****s about any woman (or man's) opinion about him.
Like Jerry from parks and Rec who secretly had a smoking hot wife at home the whole time
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Somewhat relevant
(cliff notes: women don't watch the WNBA because they're too busy watching trashy reality TV in which women are absolutely horrible to one another)
(cliff notes: women don't watch the WNBA because they're too busy watching trashy reality TV in which women are absolutely horrible to one another)
roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
Not Coach Jimbo said:
Is this really a surprise? They needed a study to find this?
This is human behavior that probably goes back to cavemen. I've continued to work with guys that I've cussed out and nearly had fist fights with. Woman shun and backstab Co workers that wear a lipstick or dress they don't like.
Heck in my experience the fist fight ends the disagreement regardless of who "wins". Life can continue on afterwards.
Who paid for this load of crap?BAP Enthusiast said:
https://academic.oup.com/ej/article-abstract/130/627/716/5715606?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=falseQuote:
We study the effect of likeability on women's and men's team behaviour in a lab experiment. Extending a two-player public goods game and a minimum effort game by an additional pre-play stage that informs team members about their mutual likeability, we find that female teams lower their contribution to the public good in the event of low likeability, while male teams achieve high levels of co-operation irrespective of the level of mutual likeability. In mixed-sex teams, both women's and men's contributions depend on mutual likeability. Similar results are found in the minimum effort game. Our results offer a new perspective on gender differences in labour market outcomes: mutual dislikeability impedes team behaviour, except in all-male teams.
This explains so much of modern team building efforts. Back when work environments were almost entirely men, you didn't need to do any of this. Even then, team building was far better anyway because the men generally did hang out and go to the bar or cigar room and tended to be friends outside of work.
Turns out introduce women causes likeability to become an issue in the office and if the women don't like each other people then their productivity drops while it has no effect upon men at all.
Everybody who runs their own business knows this. Heck, every person with an ounce of sense knows this.
Men and women are different.
Who knew?
BAP Enthusiast said:DallasAg 94 said:
I think this stems from playing team sports.
Men grow up and realize even if someone is unlikable, they still need to contribute. You work around it and press forward. Many times, you just have to increase your own contribution. You may not like the person, but the job has to be done.
When you have a mixed group... the decrease in contribution begins when a woman sees an unlikable person. Then, seeing reduced contribution of the woman, men realize that their own increased productivity has limited benefit and they respond with lower contribution to match the efforts of the woman.
TL DR... men will match effort and contribution to others regardless of likability. If equal contribution, they'll remain productive. If one person starts to be less productive, they too will reduce contribution.
No, this is pure genetics at work because it crosses all cultures and societies.
Yes, I think sports is a reflection not the engine of these traits.
What's the difference?LMCane said:
you should see the differences between Israelis and Americans in the office!!
DarkBrandon0111 said:roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
This is not wholly true, do research.
Completely disagree.DarkBrandon0111 said:roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
As a father, grandfather, and doctor who has seen thousands of infants, there is usually visible differences in behavior not long after birth,
Do you have kids? It is pretty obvious the difference between a daughter and a son.
And of course there is "absolute"in this and there are gradients.
But it is just obvious in the vast majority of cases
This is probably the most idiotic thing I have read in quite sometime. There are exceptions, but they are absolutely hardwired to be different for the most part. Men and women are very different...biologically. Only a naive kid who doesn't know anything about the real world would argue otherwise.DarkBrandon0111 said:roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
Agnes Moffitt Rollin 60's - RIP Casper and Lil Ricky - FREE GOOFY AND LUCKY!
Can't argue with that logic. My wife is the same and it is refreshing, I hope my girls inherit this from her.CanyonAg77 said:Quote:
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
Again, I don't think sports changes it, as much as sports reveals it.
I don't think it's college sports that makes a woman a good worker, I think it's that the women who are driven enough to play college sports are good workers. It's the personality type that play sports at that level, not the changes the sport produces.
That being said, my wife is not an athlete, but she is driven and not given to gossip. She taught math briefly, and one of her high school students said he liked her, because she "didn't think like a girl".
DarkBrandon0111 said:roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
You clearly don't understand genetics and how hormones affect human behavior, which isn't surprising given that you're a leftist.
Men and women have entirely different amounts of hormones flowing through our bodies and have entirely different sets of evolutionary advantages and disadvantages in our bodies that were evolved to ensure the maximum survivability of our future offspring.
Since men hunted, they had to learn to cooperate no matter how much they disliked the other man or else they would not eat. By comparison, women just gathered food like berries and other fruits/vegetables. Thus, they never developed that do or die mentality where cooperation meant life or death. They would do it to an extent but their drive to attract the best mate to father their children eventually began to dominate.
It's funny as hell how you leftists deny evolution now and ignore the role genetics plays in human behavior.
YouBet said:
For anyone that has ever worked in corporate and in leadership, this is almost a water is wet study. To be fair, there are bad apples in both genders.
However, when it comes to outright systemic dysfunction at scale then nothing beats a woman in the workplace.
Systemic dysfunction at scale....I plan to steal this and use it as my own....we'll said
DarkBrandon0111 said:roman.tadpole said:Blanket absolutes never work. I have worked with some men who are the biggest babies you would ever come across and some women who were ice queens. It depends. Hire the best person regardless of race and gender and the team is high performing.cecil77 said:FarmerJohn said:
Men can compartmentalize. Women cannot. Lower performance from one person (for whatever the reason) has a negative impact on all in the team.
Research grant please!
This. It's the fundamental difference between the sexes.
Men can fight like dogs, then have a beer.
Women tend to never forget a slight and hang on to it forever.
I do agree with the general point and I think it is sports driven when kids are young. Sports teach roles, responsibilities, being a good teammate, when to lead and when to follow, all under a very pronounced hierarchy. The most successful women leaders I have come across, all played sports at the college level. Therefore, they are used to feedback regardless of delivery as a way to improve.
It is for this reason, my daughters are required to play a team sport. Don't care which one, but I don't think they will be equipped to compete and contribute in the work place without it.
Finally someone with an agreeable opinion. People here act like men and women are different species that are biologically hardwired to like different things. This isn't the case. Men and Women behavior differently because they are raised differently. Young boys mimic men and young girls mimic women. If you raise a man to act like a girl, he will act like a girl.
I'd site the science behind my response; but instead I'll just call you a "dumbass" for your sophomoric response.
You're basically the opposite end of the other spectrum.
It's somewhere in between but closer to the genetic side I'd say.
Girls raised in a country/farm environment tend to be easier to get along with so there's truth to what you're saying.
It's somewhere in between but closer to the genetic side I'd say.
Girls raised in a country/farm environment tend to be easier to get along with so there's truth to what you're saying.
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