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TxTarpon said:The Norte Koreans will prob eat better in The Ukraine, than in NK.Quote:
" A desperate Vladimir Putin is considering turning to North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un for help in his invasion of Ukraine, and is willing to offer energy and grain in return for 100,000 soldiers, according to reports in Russia."
You think those soldiers are going to make it back?EMY92 said:
I can't image Kim allowing any soldiers out of NK. Even crappy parts of Russia and battle damaged Ukraine will show how prosperous those areas are compared to NK. They'd also likely be exposed to some western media and see what's in the rest of the world.
That is not good for the long term survival of the ruling class in NK.
Fascinating story. Any examples of a question avoided, just to give a flavor?Central Committee said:
Five years ago I spent a day talking to a relative that was a combat vet from the Korean War. He made some interesting comments that took me by surprise.
Most of the Chinese soldiers they encountered had previously served under Chiang Kai-Shek, and some had even served with Americans fighting the Japanese in WWII. They had no desire to fight the Americans in Korea, with many surrendering immediately. A large number went into battle with no rifle, with instructions to find a weapon on the battlefield. These Chinese, once identified, were usually treated well by American and UN forces.
The North Koreans were largely fanatics, and many booby-trapped their persons to kill Americans after they surrendered. After taking on casualties from the Norks, the American soldiers adopted an unofficial policy that any Nork who did not raise his hands was shot at a safe distance.
The problem was identifying which was which, as the Chinese soldiers were often near indistinguishable from the Norks at a safe distance.
It was a really fascinating conversation. Needless to say, there were some topics he did not want to discuss. Some questions I asked he would dance around, and others he would firmly say 'ask me something else.' I knew better than tp press.
Same thing my great Uncle related to me about Chosin. I knew the man for 30 years and didn't even know he was a Marine. My Grandfather, who also served in Korea, told me to have a talk with him. The stories he related to me were incredible. This little 5' 8" man that always seemed out of place in our family (we were all well over 6'), was the biggest badass in it. I had always thought that the scars on his face, arms, and hands were burns of some kind, nope frostbite scars.Furious said:
Korean vet I talked to said they could hear them smoking opium and getting riled up. Then at dawn they come running wave after wave. Only first 2 waves had guns. Subsequent waves had to pick one up. He said they just killed people for hours.
it's just a fact of history that the Chinese nearly wiped out the First Marine Division on the retreat to the Chosin ReservoirCentral Committee said:
Five years ago I spent a day talking to a relative that was a combat vet from the Korean War. He made some interesting comments that took me by surprise.
Most of the Chinese soldiers they encountered had previously served under Chiang Kai-Shek, and some had even served with Americans fighting the Japanese in WWII. They had no desire to fight the Americans in Korea, with many surrendering immediately. A large number went into battle with no rifle, with instructions to find a weapon on the battlefield. These Chinese, once identified, were usually treated well by American and UN forces.
The North Koreans were largely fanatics, and many booby-trapped their persons to kill Americans after they surrendered. After taking on casualties from the Norks, the American soldiers adopted an unofficial policy that any Nork who did not raise his hands was shot at a safe distance.
The problem was identifying which was which, as the Chinese soldiers were often near indistinguishable from the Norks at a safe distance.
It was a really fascinating conversation. Needless to say, there were some topics he did not want to discuss. Some questions I asked he would dance around, and others he would firmly say 'ask me something else.' I knew better than tp press.
Another reason the Marines preferred the Garand, was in the 20 to 35 below zero temps at Chosin, a lot of the Carbines froze up, which The Garand was much more reliable. Excellent book on the battle belowCentral Committee said:
One that sticks out in my mind was when I asked about casualties - American and Korean. I knew better than to ask the obvious 'did any of your friends die' or something blatant like that. I tried to keep the question 'technical' in nature. But I guess that one still struck too close to the quick.
He would talk about the trip over, weapons and strategy, but would not venture into any discussion about people in his unit. Not being a combat vet I guess I cannot fathom the depth of emotion. He had a strong dislike for the M1 Carbine, and preferred the Garand for range. Not sure if it was specific to his unit or the area of the country he served, but he spoke about the lack of sufficient armor.
Interesting stuff, and I enjoyed the technical discussion. I wish I would have asked to record it. I know he discussed far more than I remember now.
Some of the Marines had served in China in the late 40s (known as China Marines) and were able to identify Chinese from North Koreans.LMCane said:it's just a fact of history that the Chinese nearly wiped out the First Marine Division on the retreat to the Chosin ReservoirCentral Committee said:
Five years ago I spent a day talking to a relative that was a combat vet from the Korean War. He made some interesting comments that took me by surprise.
Most of the Chinese soldiers they encountered had previously served under Chiang Kai-Shek, and some had even served with Americans fighting the Japanese in WWII. They had no desire to fight the Americans in Korea, with many surrendering immediately. A large number went into battle with no rifle, with instructions to find a weapon on the battlefield. These Chinese, once identified, were usually treated well by American and UN forces.
The North Koreans were largely fanatics, and many booby-trapped their persons to kill Americans after they surrendered. After taking on casualties from the Norks, the American soldiers adopted an unofficial policy that any Nork who did not raise his hands was shot at a safe distance.
The problem was identifying which was which, as the Chinese soldiers were often near indistinguishable from the Norks at a safe distance.
It was a really fascinating conversation. Needless to say, there were some topics he did not want to discuss. Some questions I asked he would dance around, and others he would firmly say 'ask me something else.' I knew better than tp press.
so SOMEONE in the Red Chinese Army was fighting
https://www.britannica.com/event/Battle-of-the-Chosin-Reservoir#ref1097670
EMY92 said:
I can't image Kim allowing any soldiers out of NK. Even crappy parts of Russia and battle damaged Ukraine will show how prosperous those areas are compared to NK. They'd also likely be exposed to some western media and see what's in the rest of the world.
That is not good for the long term survival of the ruling class in NK.
Central Committee said:
One that sticks out in my mind was when I asked about casualties - American and Korean. I knew better than to ask the obvious 'did any of your friends die' or something blatant like that. I tried to keep the question 'technical' in nature. But I guess that one still struck too close to the quick.
He would talk about the trip over, weapons and strategy, but would not venture into any discussion about people in his unit. Not being a combat vet I guess I cannot fathom the depth of emotion. He had a strong dislike for the M1 Carbine, and preferred the Garand for range. Not sure if it was specific to his unit or the area of the country he served, but he spoke about the lack of sufficient armor.
Interesting stuff, and I enjoyed the technical discussion. I wish I would have asked to record it. I know he discussed far more than I remember now.
pfo said:
The North Koreans set to Ukraine will run away and never come back to North Korea. They won't fight one minute. The first convenience store they come to they will eat everything in it, give up and ask for asylum. Or they will just run and hide.
North Korea is the worst place in the world. Ukraine is paradise to North Koreans.
zephyr88 said:
So, the lineup is nearly complete it's Russia, Belarus, North Korea and China vs. the rest of the free world.
EMY92 said:
I can't image Kim allowing any soldiers out of NK. Even crappy parts of Russia and battle damaged Ukraine will show how prosperous those areas are compared to NK. They'd also likely be exposed to some western media and see what's in the rest of the world.
That is not good for the long term survival of the ruling class in NK.