agjacent said:

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200K people turned out to vote in Kansas just because of this issue. Y'all got what you wanted - let the each state decide! - and now you're mad that what this state decided is that abortion is a fundamental right, and not "baby murder."

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one can feel its not a federal issue and also think the moral and just thing for a state to do is to not allow baby murder.

rape is not a federal issue either. should people remain quiet of Michigan, for example, repealed its rape laws?

Frederick Palowaski said:

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It's weird that you consider killing a baby a right.

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According to a supermajority of American adults, it's weird that you consider a clump of cells that can't survive outside its host to be a "baby".

Kansas is a VERY red state, so I'm surprised. I wonder what would happen if Texas voters got this opportunity. There are a lot of liberals in Texas, probably a higher percentage than in Kansas. I doubt Texas voters will get that opportunity. Texas elected officials will make those decisions for you. Think about that...it went from INDIVIDUAL choices to a few legislators deciding for you.

Excaliber said:

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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/primary-election-results-august-2-az-ks-mo-mi-wa/card/kansas-voters-reject-constitutional-amendment-removing-abortion-protections-80pap0Ok4ITFiXTAHiZA

"The result tonight is a big deal," said a Republican political strategist in Kansas. "There were no major contested Democratic primaries to drive turnout and the amendment still failed resoundingly. If Republicans think the issue of abortion isn't on the minds of voters, tonight's results should put them on notice."

The best result would be for the voters to vote the Pro Life Conservatives out as has happened in the past when Abortion Rights were threatened as they are now.
Just like now the voters have smacked down the Right when it actually threatens their freedoms.

Conservatives have gone funny in the head on Abortion and live in a Bubble that is not the majority public opinion.
And Kavanaugh has already said to forget about states restricting travel for abortions.
His Ollive Branch

[It is a] fundamental maxim of republican government, which requires that the sense of the majority should prevail. --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #22

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As a Christian, i dont know 6-10 that are willing to unequivocally terminate the life of a baby without some sort of mitigating circumstances. Funny in the head is very subjective.

EskimoJoe said:

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my anecdotal observation in my small kansas town is about 10 vote yes to 1 vote no yard sign. I have no idea what it looks like in the more concentrated population of idiotic leftists that live up in Northeast part of the state. Thete was a HUGE disinformation campaign largely funded by out of state money lying about what a yes vote means.

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The vote yes message, was unfortunately, more complicated than the vote no message.

Vote YES: In 2019 the KS SC ruled there was an unrestricted right to abortion written into the KS constitution (written in 1862) and in order to keep current restrictions in place (like informed consent, parental notification, no dismemberment abortion, no abortion after 20-weeks, no partial birth abortion) you need to vote yes.

Vote NO: Vote No to protect abortion rights in KS. Vote No to protect women's healthcare.

As I posted on other threads, the liberals vandalized churches, punched canvassers, engaged in intimidation (we have police at my church now for mass and guards at night), stole "vote yes" signs (3 teens were caught doing this and were being paid by the sign; strangely, the vote no signs never seemed to disappear from the road sides).

agjacent said:

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Frederick Palowaski said:

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It's weird that you consider killing a baby a right.

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According to a supermajority of American adults, it's weird that you consider a clump of cells that can't survive outside its host to be a "baby".

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What a moronic reply.

If a baby is born and has no help, will it survive on its own? Or is it just a clump of cells as well?

agjacent said:

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Frederick Palowaski said:

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It's weird that you consider killing a baby a right.

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According to a supermajority of American adults, it's weird that you consider a clump of cells that can't survive outside its host to be a "baby".

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Hate to tell you this but a full term baby without help from the mother cant survive either. Unless my 2 year old can magically get up and feed himself I guess he should be included in your logic.

Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Is this what you guys do every time you lose an election from now on? "We lost so that means the dems must have cheated". I am curious to where the evidence is to all this election fraud.

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I won't trust any election where mail in ballots are mass mailed to all voters. Don't know if that was the case here. Now go back under your rock and wait for your next assignment.

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There was not a massive mail in ballot scheme in KS. Voter turn out was very high for a primary.

~622K participated in the primary (DEM and GOP). 881k overall voted. You have to be registered with a party to participate. However, you do not need to be registered to participate in the other ballot questions (Specifically the Amendment this time). So and extra 260k people showed up specifically to vote on the amendment issue.

https://www.kcur.org/politics-elections-and-government/2022-08-02/kansas-primary-election-results-2022-abortion-amendment-governor-senate-house

agracer said:

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EskimoJoe said:

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my anecdotal observation in my small kansas town is about 10 vote yes to 1 vote no yard sign. I have no idea what it looks like in the more concentrated population of idiotic leftists that live up in Northeast part of the state. Thete was a HUGE disinformation campaign largely funded by out of state money lying about what a yes vote means.

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The vote yes message, was unfortunately, more complicated than the vote no message.

Vote YES: In 2019 the KS SC ruled there was an unrestricted right to abortion written into the KS constitution (written in 1862) and in order to keep current restrictions in place (like informed consent, parental notification, no dismemberment abortion, no abortion after 20-weeks, no partial birth abortion) you need to vote yes.

Vote NO: Vote No to protect abortion rights in KS. Vote No to protect women's healthcare.

As I posted on other threads, the liberals vandalized churches, punched canvassers, engaged in intimidation (we have police at my church now for mass and guards at night), stole "vote yes" signs (3 teens were caught doing this and were being paid by the sign; strangely, the vote no signs never seemed to disappear from the road sides).

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Yup, the tv ads all focused on the wording of a total ban including rape and ectopic pregnancies. So between that and it's already banned at 22 weeks, it was a rough go.

chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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With this vote it seems like Kansas is as red as Texas is. Fiscally, very, but who doesn't like more money in their pocket. Socially, not as much.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Is this what you guys do every time you lose an election from now on? "We lost so that means the dems must have cheated". I am curious to where the evidence is to all this election fraud.

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So because you haven't seen your paint-by-numbers evidence, you mock and deride and say it didn't happen?

Go stick your head back in the sand, reality is not for you.

tysker said:

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Isnt this what anti-Roe crowd wanted? The citizens voted at the state level and the people made their decision.

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Except the un-elected SC in KS decided, not the people.

TyHolden said:

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it's not who votes, it's who counts the votes....

we knew this was coming. i hope you're prepared....

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Whether there was a stolen election or whether there was fraud, the republic is dead and people like you will say this every single time they lose..

chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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who counted those votes?

If there was a question on the ballott.. do you support killing babies in the womb, yes or no.. how many Kansas citizens would have chosen yes?

If that number is different than how this vote turned out, then the process of the vote purposefully confused the general population and was not a clear indication of intent of the citizenry.

agracer said:

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tysker said:

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Isnt this what anti-Roe crowd wanted? The citizens voted at the state level and the people made their decision.

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Except the un-elected SC in KS decided, not the people.

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I agreed with the SC ruling that it wasn't federally protected. But, you saying that the Kansas SC was unelected when the unelected US SC is the one that ruled just comes off as weird.

BMX Bandit said:

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agjacent said:

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200K people turned out to vote in Kansas just because of this issue. Y'all got what you wanted - let the each state decide! - and now you're mad that what this state decided is that abortion is a fundamental right, and not "baby murder."

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one can feel its not a federal issue and also think the moral and just thing for a state to do is to not allow baby murder.

rape is not a federal issue either. should people remain quiet of Michigan, for example, repealed its rape laws?

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This is me.

I'm anti-baby murder, since it's easy to not become pregnant. But it's a state issue, not federal.

Maybe picking the side that most Americans support would be a smart choice?

agracer said:

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tysker said:

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Isnt this what anti-Roe crowd wanted? The citizens voted at the state level and the people made their decision.

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Except the un-elected SC in KS decided, not the people.

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technically, the justices all go through a retention vote after appointment, so they are elected.

chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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Money wins elections. 71% of the pro abortion crowd funding came from out of state dark money. 1% of the pro life funding came from out of State. State level voting my ass.

BMX Bandit said:

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agracer said:

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tysker said:

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Isnt this what anti-Roe crowd wanted? The citizens voted at the state level and the people made their decision.

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Except the un-elected SC in KS decided, not the people.

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technically, the justices all go through a retention vote after appointment, so they are elected.

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Good point. Unfortunately the retention election will have just as much out of state money to keep the ones who invented law in 2019.

KS will become a state for unrestricted abortion (like CA) and that is NOT what the majority of the people in KS want. They were fed a litany of lies about the Amendment and fell for it.

BMX Bandit said:

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chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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who counted those votes?

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Johnson county (kc suburb) has the most growth and is starting to dominate the state when it can.

Maybe the republicans should have put up a ballot initiative to have abortion legal through the first trimester, and prohibited after.

amercer said:

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Maybe the republicans should have put up a ballot initiative to have abortion legal through the first trimester, and prohibited after.

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That's already a law (or something very close). The amendment was needed to keep the KS SC from saying any and all laws on abortion in KS are now illegal.

While they've not been challenged, you can assure they will be and the KS supreme court will likely throw them all out based on the 2019 ruling.

EDIT: Regarding a ballot initiative, pretty sure the KS SC could strike it down as well just like current laws passed by the legislature.

To the demented clown who actually typed "Christian fascist ghouls", please point to all the evidence showing Christians lining up to feed their babies to Moloch.

There is literally no common ground with someone who wants to murder unborn babies. Pure evil.

Seems like voters weren't comfortable giving the republicans a clean slate to work with. Maybe they would have been more amenable if republicans had spelled out exactly what they wanted for regulation and actually put that on the ballot.

Opalka said:

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Kansas is a VERY red state, so I'm surprised. I wonder what would happen if Texas voters got this opportunity. There are a lot of liberals in Texas, probably a higher percentage than in Kansas. I doubt Texas voters will get that opportunity. Texas elected officials will make those decisions for you. Think about that...it went from INDIVIDUAL choices to a few legislators deciding for you.

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Welcome to living in a Republic. Vote out the officials.

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chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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Money wins elections. 71% of the pro abortion crowd funding came from out of state dark money. 1% of the pro life funding came from out of State. State level voting my ass.

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do you have a source for that 71% number?

agracer said:

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IslanderAg04 said:

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chris1515 said:

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Trump won Kansas with 56% of the vote. I'm not sure that Kansas is as deep red as y'all might think.

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Money wins elections. 71% of the pro abortion crowd funding came from out of state dark money. 1% of the pro life funding came from out of State. State level voting my ass.

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do you have a source for that 71% number?

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/kansas-voters-reject-constitutional-amendment-granting-lawmakers-ability-regulate-abortion

Yea my CIA job is pretty comfy. I get paid $1200 per post and my tuition is already covered. I am part of the Texas A&M special brainwash division. /s

amercer said:

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Seems like voters weren't comfortable giving the republicans a clean slate to work with. Maybe they would have been more amenable if republicans had spelled out exactly what they wanted for regulation and actually put that on the ballot.

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Like I said above, that message was too complicated. In reality that's what was attempted.

DarkBrandon0111 said:

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Yea my CIA job is pretty comfy. I get paid $1200 per post and my tuition is already covered. I am part of the Texas A&M special brainwash division. /s

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You only get $1200? You must be new.

Don't worry you'll start making real money real soon. Trust me.

agracer said:

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amercer said:

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Seems like voters weren't comfortable giving the republicans a clean slate to work with. Maybe they would have been more amenable if republicans had spelled out exactly what they wanted for regulation and actually put that on the ballot.

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Like I said above, that message was too complicated. In reality that's what was attempted.

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I hate it when morons in elected positions make the verbiage of proposed laws so convoluted that "yes" means "no".

Frederick Palowaski said:

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agjacent said:

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Frederick Palowaski said:

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It's weird that you consider killing a baby a right.

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According to a supermajority of American adults, it's weird that you consider a clump of cells that can't survive outside its host to be a "baby".

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What a moronic reply.

If a baby is born and has no help, will it survive on its own? Or is it just a clump of cells as well?

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Are you being intellectually dishonest or are you truly this ignorant? In the interest of giving you the benefit of the doubt, let me enlighten you.

A 3 month old fetus, if removed from the womb, does not have the ability to live on its own because it doesn't have functional (or formed) internal organs. It requires physical attachment to a host in order to "survive."

A baby born after 9 months gestation has fully functional organs and can draw breath, has a heartbeat, and live on its own. It does not require physical attachment to a host in order to "survive."

Conservative's inability or refusal to understand the difference is the reason Kansas voters came out in presidential numbers during a mid-term primary to protect abortion rights.