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And states are pushing back:
https://www.ksl.com/article/50447701/utah-joins-lawsuit-over-blocking-funds-from-schools-that-dont-follow-sexual-orientation-policy

" SALT LAKE CITY Utah Attorney General Sean D. Reyes joined 21 other attorneys general in a lawsuit against the Biden administration for threatening to withhold nutritional assistance for schools that don't follow new sex discrimination programs."

"The Utah Office of the Attorney General issued a press release on Tuesday regarding the lawsuit, claiming the new guidance put forward would put Utah's Title IX and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program funding at risk."

" …Reyes and the nearly two dozen other attorneys general who signed on to the lawsuit say the move goes too far."

"The federal government should not hold food for school children hostage to force policy change. The administration is unlawfully trying to rewrite the law and is placing essential nutritional services for Utah's children at risk," Piatt said."

"About 100,000 public and nonprofit private schools and residential child care institutions receive federal funds to give subsidized, reduced-price or free meals for children in need. Twenty-six state attorneys general called on President Joe Biden in a letter to withdraw the USDA's guidance back in June."

"The 22 attorneys general joining the lawsuit are from Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and West Virginia."

"The attorneys general argue the guidance was issued without giving other stakeholders the chance for input, which is a requirement according to the Administrative Procedures Act."

"The lawsuit also claims that the guidelines order unlawful regulatory measures on state agencies and operators that receive federal financial assistance from the USDA. This will ultimately result in mismanagement that could take away essential nutritional services to citizens who really need the programs, the lawsuit claims."

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IOW, comply with our policies or no food for you.
This is depth of ignominy, holding children hostage to the agenda of sexually-driven radicals.

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These states should fight the sexual discrimination acts in court not hold the children hostage with their politics is the flip side of this. They should follow federal law and guidelines as law abiding citizens and also public figures. That means following what laws have been passed and making their argument against in courts. They follow the guidelines and the children will get the funds and it's that simple. Shameless to play policy's over funds needed heavily.

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Since some of these are poor states, do you propose they go in debt to meet student nutrition guidelines? The feds have them by the huevos: states must provide dual language education for students illegally residing in the US, provide for emergency medical care for them (because the Feds won't control borders) and comply with arbitrary guidelines for "fragile" sexual minorities (who have no problem demonstrating their shamelessness and promiscuity during "Pride" events).

What is needed is defederalization of our schools.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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Negative. You hate this government. America is an idea, a dream of freedom from government oppression. That hasn't changed. The federal government is out of control. That's what you hate.

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No, I hate it...I hate the system that was created by the founders that was weak enough to allow for this. It was a noble attempt but a complete and utter failure. I hate that we cut corners by the evil practice of slavery, which we will always reap the pain and punishment for. I was duped into believing it was the greatest system ever, but it does not allow for the level of fascism or fascist measures that would be required to truly combat the evil and godless left.

It leaves us in a spot where violence is the only answer on a long enough timeline. Electing even the best right wing constitutionalist president simply just kicks the can down the road. The country I used to love is over for good, stick a fork in us.

Just FYI, you can still be a good person with a happy life and solid family and friends who hates his country and realizes it will completely crumble in your lifetime or your child's. I am not a miserable person, I just hate this country and do not believe God cares about us over any other country at all. He is benevolent not to suffocate us in smoldering ash or send a giant fireball to destroy us in an instant.

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What a poon. The founders created a system to deal with everything you see wrong with America. They even insisted on the ultimate measure, armed revolution via the 2nd Amendment. The fact that the citizens that followed the foundation didn't live up to the system the founders created, is on the citizens, not the founders.

The real lie you apparently have believed is that violence doesn't solve anything. That is categorically not true and history is overflowing with examples. It isn't pretty and it isn't pleasant but it is effective. The founders knew this to even if you are unwilling to believe it.

Perfect reason why school choice is needed.

Incidentally, the sentiments here being generated are one of the reasons wave hand away at the J6 hearings.

Those idiots don't understand they should be taking a poll how many would regret it now?

The answer might be stunning.

The gaslighting term-changing Left has become the most contemptible force since Regressive fundamentalist Salafi Islam. And less respectable in some ways.

Has anyone see on a usda policy link? I need one to show someone.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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Negative. You hate this government. America is an idea, a dream of freedom from government oppression. That hasn't changed. The federal government is out of control. That's what you hate.

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No, I hate it...I hate the system that was created by the founders that was weak enough to allow for this. It was a noble attempt but a complete and utter failure. I hate that we cut corners by the evil practice of slavery, which we will always reap the pain and punishment for. I was duped into believing it was the greatest system ever, but it does not allow for the level of fascism or fascist measures that would be required to truly combat the evil and godless left.

It leaves us in a spot where violence is the only answer on a long enough timeline. Electing even the best right wing constitutionalist president simply just kicks the can down the road. The country I used to love is over for good, stick a fork in us.

Just FYI, you can still be a good person with a happy life and solid family and friends who hates his country and realizes it will completely crumble in your lifetime or your child's. I am not a miserable person, I just hate this country and do not believe God cares about us over any other country at all. He is benevolent not to suffocate us in smoldering ash or send a giant fireball to destroy us in an instant.

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Yeah OK we're on completely different pages here. You don't want freedom from government oppression you want government to implement oppression you approve of. Sorry, I can't go there.

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Name a greater enemy and threat to this nation than the white liberal in the aggregate...and please be honest. You're basically saying you know we are doomed to rot and collapse and that is fine as long as we are not violating our principles. One could argue that WE ARE AN EVIL NATION. We have killed tens of millions of our own over the last few decades and EVERY STATE was involved. Many Euro countries think our abortion laws are insane. One set of laws for the ruling elite and a completely different one for the peasants. We could go on and on...we are not better than any other country, we just have fancier toys and gadgets that allow us to live hedonistic, gluttonous and lazy lives.

I will say that our conservative segment of the population is comprised of some of the best and most generous and thoughtful people to ever exist. That is the only part of America i still think is great. Everything else is hot garbage.

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What a poon. The founders created a system to deal with everything you see wrong with America. They even insisted on the ultimate measure, armed revolution via the 2nd Amendment. The fact that the citizens that followed the foundation didn't live up to the system the founders created, is on the citizens, not the founders.

The real lie you apparently have believed is that violence doesn't solve anything. That is categorically not true and history is overflowing with examples. It isn't pretty and it isn't pleasant but it is effective. The founders knew this to even if you are unwilling to believe it.

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This is true. They officially endorsed it. Even forecast roughly two century intervals.

The other thing that is key here is the end of the Civil War. The laws imposed then are not the Founders. Those are long compared to most amendments and didn't have the careful restraint. In many ways, the Founders are not responsible for anything after that moment and especially when the suffrage was expanded to those with no stake in it. De Tocqueville accurately forecast what would happen with that. The Libertarians are also right that the 16th and 17th in particular destroyed what remained of the previous model. Its just taken a while to pan out---but has followed the track.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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The Constitution and our cultural foundation have not changed.

The people, however, have. And some are dead set on destroying (or is it deconstructing? or reimagining?) both.

Personally, I maintain a religious based belief that this is God's land and our Constitution was divinely inspired (secularly, the uniqueness of America has been written about from such well known names as Alexis de Tocqueville to Thomas Sowell).

And I have not lost faith in God, however wickedly the people may behave.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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The Constitution and our cultural foundation have not changed.

The people, however, have. And some are dead set on destroying (or is it deconstructing? or reimagining?) both.

Personally, I maintain a religious based belief that this is God's land and our Constitution was divinely inspired (secularly, the uniqueness of America has been written about from such well known names as Alexis de Tocqueville to Thomas Sowell).

And I have not lost faith in God, however wickedly the people may behave.

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I respect that, and I share a lot of that sentiment...I am just filled with disgust at what we've become. And where we are headed. There is no stopping where we are headed, without violence on an unimaginable scale...or fascism targeted at the white left. I do not want either of those things, but I damn sure don't want the former.

Evil degenerates

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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The Constitution and our cultural foundation have not changed.

The people, however, have. And some are dead set on destroying (or is it deconstructing? or reimagining?) both.

Personally, I maintain a religious based belief that this is God's land and our Constitution was divinely inspired (secularly, the uniqueness of America has been written about from such well known names as Alexis de Tocqueville to Thomas Sowell).

And I have not lost faith in God, however wickedly the people may behave.

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I respect that, and I share a lot of that sentiment...I am just filled with disgust at what we've become. And where we are headed.

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Oh me too. It is both sad and infuriating to watch.

However, and as one believer to another, despite the rapid decay we are witnessing, I further believe we are here at this time for a specific purpose (that sounds like Gandalf doesn't it?)

And remember "Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them." (2 Kings 6:16)

The problem is that the internal enemies of the United States have abused and the rights of this country to destroy this country, and we lack the courage and leadership to do anything about it. The idea of the Pledge of Allegiance and an oath to the Constitution being a binding commitment should be considered. This is a nation of individual rights and freedoms not collectivist authoritarianism at the Federal level. Anyone promoting this is in violation of the Constitutional basis for this Republic and should be deemed an enemy of the country and purged either voluntarily or involuntarily.

If you want to live in a Marxist dystopia, then do it at the state level and live with the results. That is the way it is supposed to be.

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The problem is that the internal enemies of the United States have abused and the rights of this country to destroy this country, and we lack the courage and leadership to do anything about it. The idea of the Pledge of Allegiance and an oath to the Constitution being a binding commitment should be considered. This is a nation of individual rights and freedoms not collectivist authoritarianism at the Federal level. Anyone promoting this is in violation of the Constitutional basis for this Republic and should be deemed an enemy of the country and purged either voluntarily or involuntarily.

If you want to live in a Marxist dystopia, then do it at the state level and live with the results. That is the way it is supposed to be.

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Amen.

Damn groomers

Dennis Prager - classically so restrained and level in speech - has now been driven to just unambiguously advocate that all center and right get this kids out of public school at any cost. The very concept of `cisnormative' or `heteronormative' and that these are bad to hold up as a normal idea --- that these notions of the Left are by themselves sufficient reason to banish it, let alone all the grooming.

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The SCOTUS will toss this. The court has ruled that withholding funds for unrelated activities/uses for non-compliance with things like Title IX is unconstitutional. Biden's handlers know they lose but it will take years to work their way through the courts.

Hey dims and CMs: tell us who the real tyrant is.

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Why would democrats complain about the chance to diddle kids?
They are all for sexualizing little kids. It's what they voted for.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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It's not the same country; its America in name only. I have no allegiance to it anymore. Why would I support and/or fight and die for this?

This is not division on how much to spend on the military in the next omnibus bill. These are deep, fundamental divisions for which there can never be reconciliation.

For anyone that doesn't think the Democrats are waging war on the rest of us, this is a prime example of it.

Holding the vast majority of children hostage over a massively controversial and abnormal issue that affects almost none of them.

This is objectively evil and there is zero argument that can be made to justify it.

The government certainly doesn't rate support. The Ideal still does. Its best done with a Convention of States launch and other avenues.

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Has anyone see on a usda policy link? I need one to show someone.

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Here you are:
https://www.fns.usda.gov/news-item/usda-0100.22

" This action is also in line with the USDA's efforts to promote nutrition security, which is the consistent access to safe, healthy, affordable food essential to optimal health and well-being. Nutrition security places an emphasis on advancing equity to ensure all Americans (except that these programs largely benefit foreign children here illegally-my comment) have access to nutritious foods that promote health and well-being regardless of race, ethnicity, identity or background."

"USDA is committed to administering all its programs with equity and fairness, and serving those in need with the highest dignity. A key step in advancing these principles is rooting out discrimination in any form including discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity," said Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack. "At the same time, we must recognize the vulnerability of the LGBTQI+ communities and provide them with an avenue to grieve any discrimination they face. We hope that by standing firm against these inequities we will help bring about much-needed change."

Thanks.

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I hate America. Feels really weird to say as I have been raised a patriot since I could walk. But I f-ing HATE this country.

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The lunch program is bull***** Parents need to provide for their kids lunch. A huge amount of Americans are shameless scumbags.

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There was a school district in Georgie (IIRC) that audited their gov. school lunch handout and found 50% fraud. When they brought it up with the USDA there were told to shut up or they'll cut all the money off.

The school lunch program just asks what you made last year and who lives in your house. NO VERIFICATION at all. My kid's old HS in Houston pimped the hell out of it at every opportunity. Sigh up, free lunch!

Cut off the wieners or all the food gets cut off!

Don't hate this country. Just remember who you vote for and get some of your friends who have not been voting at all or voting for liberals to now vote the right way. This was all predictable.

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And states are pushing back:
https://www.ksl.com/article/50447701/utah-joins-lawsuit-over-blocking-funds-from-schools-that-dont-follow-sexual-orientation-policy

" SALT LAKE CITY Utah Attorney General Sean D. Reyes joined 21 other attorneys general in a lawsuit against the Biden administration for threatening to withhold nutritional assistance for schools that don't follow new sex discrimination programs."

"The Utah Office of the Attorney General issued a press release on Tuesday regarding the lawsuit, claiming the new guidance put forward would put Utah's Title IX and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program funding at risk."

" …Reyes and the nearly two dozen other attorneys general who signed on to the lawsuit say the move goes too far."

"The federal government should not hold food for school children hostage to force policy change. The administration is unlawfully trying to rewrite the law and is placing essential nutritional services for Utah's children at risk," Piatt said."

"About 100,000 public and nonprofit private schools and residential child care institutions receive federal funds to give subsidized, reduced-price or free meals for children in need. Twenty-six state attorneys general called on President Joe Biden in a letter to withdraw the USDA's guidance back in June."

"The 22 attorneys general joining the lawsuit are from Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and West Virginia."

"The attorneys general argue the guidance was issued without giving other stakeholders the chance for input, which is a requirement according to the Administrative Procedures Act."

"The lawsuit also claims that the guidelines order unlawful regulatory measures on state agencies and operators that receive federal financial assistance from the USDA. This will ultimately result in mismanagement that could take away essential nutritional services to citizens who really need the programs, the lawsuit claims."

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IOW, comply with our policies or no food for you.
This is depth of ignominy, holding children hostage to the agenda of sexually-driven radicals.

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These states should fight the sexual discrimination acts in court not hold the children hostage with their politics is the flip side of this. They should follow federal law and guidelines as law abiding citizens and also public figures. That means following what laws have been passed and making their argument against in courts. They follow the guidelines and the children will get the funds and it's that simple. Shameless to play policy's over funds needed heavily.

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Captain BadTake with all the Derps.


Why does staff continue to allow trolls?

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For anyone that doesn't think the Democrats are waging war on the rest of us, this is a prime example of it.

Holding the vast majority of children hostage over a massively controversial and abnormal issue that affects almost none of them.

This is objectively evil and there is zero argument that can be made to justify it.

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Utter hogwash.

The only way you can object to the guidelines is if you believe that discrimination is a good thing, in general, and that, specifically, schools that receive government support in order to feed their children should be allowed to discriminate in providing for those children based on their sexual identity or orientation.

Go ahead, try to make a good case on why a school should be able to discriminate against children based on their sexual identity or orientation.

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And states are pushing back:
https://www.ksl.com/article/50447701/utah-joins-lawsuit-over-blocking-funds-from-schools-that-dont-follow-sexual-orientation-policy

" SALT LAKE CITY Utah Attorney General Sean D. Reyes joined 21 other attorneys general in a lawsuit against the Biden administration for threatening to withhold nutritional assistance for schools that don't follow new sex discrimination programs."

"The Utah Office of the Attorney General issued a press release on Tuesday regarding the lawsuit, claiming the new guidance put forward would put Utah's Title IX and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program funding at risk."

" …Reyes and the nearly two dozen other attorneys general who signed on to the lawsuit say the move goes too far."

"The federal government should not hold food for school children hostage to force policy change. The administration is unlawfully trying to rewrite the law and is placing essential nutritional services for Utah's children at risk," Piatt said."

"About 100,000 public and nonprofit private schools and residential child care institutions receive federal funds to give subsidized, reduced-price or free meals for children in need. Twenty-six state attorneys general called on President Joe Biden in a letter to withdraw the USDA's guidance back in June."

"The 22 attorneys general joining the lawsuit are from Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia and West Virginia."

"The attorneys general argue the guidance was issued without giving other stakeholders the chance for input, which is a requirement according to the Administrative Procedures Act."

"The lawsuit also claims that the guidelines order unlawful regulatory measures on state agencies and operators that receive federal financial assistance from the USDA. This will ultimately result in mismanagement that could take away essential nutritional services to citizens who really need the programs, the lawsuit claims."

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IOW, comply with our policies or no food for you.
This is depth of ignominy, holding children hostage to the agenda of sexually-driven radicals.

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These states should fight the sexual discrimination acts in court not hold the children hostage with their politics is the flip side of this. They should follow federal law and guidelines as law abiding citizens and also public figures. That means following what laws have been passed and making their argument against in courts. They follow the guidelines and the children will get the funds and it's that simple. Shameless to play policy's over funds needed heavily.

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The law says that what the executive branch of the federal government is doing is illegal.

The executive branch does not pass laws. It is the executive branch that needs to be following federal law. We do not yet have a dictatorship, where the executive branch can do whatever it wants.

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For anyone that doesn't think the Democrats are waging war on the rest of us, this is a prime example of it.

Holding the vast majority of children hostage over a massively controversial and abnormal issue that affects almost none of them.

This is objectively evil and there is zero argument that can be made to justify it.

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Utter hogwash.

The only way you can object to the guidelines is if you believe that discrimination is a good thing, in general, and that, specifically, schools that receive government support in order to feed their children should be allowed to discriminate in providing for those children based on their sexual identity or orientation.

Go ahead, try to make a good case on why a school should be able to discriminate against children based on their sexual identity or orientation.

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Utter hogwash. You are advocating for a policy of 'anything goes' as long as someone claims discrimination. You don't believe in social standards or moral codes of any kind and would doom civilization to depravity backed by brute force. Your world sounds like a version of hell.

The real discrimination is occurring against those that don't want to see their kids indoctrinated with perversion and deviancy.

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De Tocqueville accurately forecast what would happen with that.

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De Tocqueville was wrong.

He believed that the lazy would figure out that they could vote money out of the public coffers, and that this would crush the US economy.

What he didn't consider is that the protestant work ethic combined with improvements in productivity due to American ingenuity would outpace the slum buckets that leech of the government. We have survived a huge welfare state because we are innovative and work hard.

What is bringing this country down is what McCarthy warned us about. We are being corrupted by external enemies from within our own government. Our own government is making us weaker on purpose, and being paid by foreign interests to do it.

We need a new era of McCarthyism where politicians with financial or political ties to enemy states are run out of DC on a rail. There is little chance of that happening now, but all we need is a miracle.

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De Tocqueville accurately forecast what would happen with that.

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De Tocqueville was wrong.

He believed that the lazy would figure out that they could vote money out of the public coffers, and that this would crush the US economy.

What he didn't consider is that the protestant work ethic combined with improvements in productivity due to American ingenuity would outpace the slum buckets that leech of the government. We have survived a huge welfare state because we are innovative and work hard.

What is bringing this country down is what McCarthy warned us about. We are being corrupted by external enemies from within our own government. Our own government is making us weaker on purpose, and being paid by foreign interests to do it.

We need a new era of McCarthyism where politicians with financial or political ties to enemy states are run out of DC on a rail. There is little chance of that happening now, but all we need is a miracle.

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I think both points are correct. They aren't exclusive. In fact, I think they are mutually cooperative in a sense. The government leeches haven't killed the host yet, but they are causing weakness and vulnerability economically and culturally. And this vulnerability is used by our enemies both internal and abroad.

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**** this idea that everything must be transgender friendly.



Feed the ****ing kids you pretend to care about

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These states should fight the sexual discrimination acts in court not hold the children hostage with their politics is the flip side of this. They should follow federal law and guidelines as law abiding citizens and also public figures. That means following what laws have been passed and making their argument against in courts. They follow the guidelines and the children will get the funds and it's that simple. Shameless to play policy's over funds needed heavily.

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Complete and utter BS. Don't confuse "guidance" issued by the Biden administration and the law. The two have next to nothing in common. States that refuse to follow the "guidance" letter are actually complying with the law, yet the Biden administration is planning to violate the law by withholding funds for failing to follow the "guidance." It's the Biden administration that is flouting the law, not the other way around.

Here is where a Federal court in Texas or Nebraska issues a national injunction against this policy, and dares the Federal government to fight it.

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De Tocqueville accurately forecast what would happen with that.

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De Tocqueville was wrong.

He believed that the lazy would figure out that they could vote money out of the public coffers, and that this would crush the US economy.

What he didn't consider is that the protestant work ethic combined with improvements in productivity due to American ingenuity would outpace the slum buckets that leech of the government. We have survived a huge welfare state because we are innovative and work hard.

What is bringing this country down is what McCarthy warned us about. We are being corrupted by external enemies from within our own government. Our own government is making us weaker on purpose, and being paid by foreign interests to do it.

We need a new era of McCarthyism where politicians with financial or political ties to enemy states are run out of DC on a rail. There is little chance of that happening now, but all we need is a miracle.

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I think both points are correct. They aren't exclusive. In fact, I think they are mutually cooperative in a sense. The government leeches haven't killed the host yet, but they are causing weakness and vulnerability economically and culturally. And this vulnerability is used by our enemies both internal and abroad.

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Yes, can agree with BusterAg's modification and counterpoint. Allowing the cultural traitors to dominate the govt and media and institutions is more a case of the McCarthy concern being fulfilled than it is DeTocqueville. However, like Hardwood says, the ability to just by votes is what allows the Marxists to get in power and stay there with destructive policies. So the former was an essential component of the ruin by the latter.