Man, thought all sorts of Jason Bourne tactics were employed by cops such that release of these tapes was dangerous. But if the video makes police look good, it sure sees the light of day pretty darn quick, don't it?
Dallas PD already released security footage of Love Field shooter
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Interesting choice to start shooting the ceiling about 20 feet in front of a cop
Awesome link.
Failed suicide by cop?GAC06 said:
Interesting choice to start shooting the ceiling about 20 feet in front of a cop
🇺🇸#UPDATE: Police have released footage showing yesterday’s shooting at Love Field Airport in Dallas, Texas pic.twitter.com/zkQljUp9rc
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Surprised he retreated first. He was watching her the whole time.
I thought itbwqs q retreat but I think he was scrambling to get behind some semblance of cover.
Also, some of those folks trying to get to cover sliding around on the ground is pretty funny after the fact knowing that no one was hurt.
Also, some of those folks trying to get to cover sliding around on the ground is pretty funny after the fact knowing that no one was hurt.
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
Covidians, Communists, CNN, FOX, and all other MSM are enemies of the state and should be treated as such.
Think the cop was finding cover. Not running away.
ProbablySpotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
Yes, cop was quick. Nothing wrong with taking a total of 1.1 seconds to duck, retreat to access and pull weapon. That was plenty fine in my book.Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
I don't know too many people that will hear a gunshot or an explosion and make zero backward movement out of instinct. Her training is what kicked in quick.
Clearly seeking cover.Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
#CertifiedSIP
Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
He was seeking cover and returned fire within seconds of nothing going on. Don't know how anyone could be angry
Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
Appears he was taking cover behind one of the ticket kiosks.
That was a heck of a job by that cop.
He was seeking cover behind the kiosk. From there, he handled the problem.Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
Did you watch the video?
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
Yes, it was.aginlakeway said:
That was a heck of a job by that cop.
Not to take anything away from it, but I feel like that's exactly the type of situation I, too, could handle if I were CCW.
#CertifiedSIP
GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
Where would you have taken cover in that situation?
cover is cover, it distracts the shooter and they likely have no idea what will or will not stop the bullet so maybe they shoot somewhere else opening up opportunity for unmolested return fire.GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
Damn.... check out the little girl with the backpack.
Loses her footing but stays in the play with the bear crawl.
Loses her footing but stays in the play with the bear crawl.
Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
If he kept running yes, but he didn't. He took cover and gave her some bullets back.
FratboyLegend said:Yes, it was.aginlakeway said:
That was a heck of a job by that cop.
Not to take anything away from it, but I feel like that's exactly the type of situation I, too, could handle if I were CCW.
Yep, I have no training but I'm looking for cover first. Drawing in the open just makes you a target when they already have a gun in hand.
A lot of times it's about stopping the person from trying to shoot you. The kiosk probably at least limits the risk or slows the bullet down, but also, gun wielding lunatics are probably not ballistics experts and are likely going to be much less likely to try to shoot through things.GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
sure looks like attempted suicide by cop to me
It'll damn sure slow it down more than air.GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
That cop is the only thing between the gunman and a bunch of unarmed people, and they know that. You can't engage the shooter if you're dead.
Looks like suicide by cop to me.
No way the shooter didn't see the cop walking up on her. She never even tried to shoot anyone, just pointed at the ceiling and fired.
Looks like the intention was to die. As far as the cop is concerned....at that range drawing and retreating before firing is counter productive. Best to draw and fire as quickly as possible.
If that shooter had been serious he is dead before he gets to cover and even if not, that marginal cover ain't helping him.
Best hope at that range would be to get some shots off before getting taken out.
It's different at close range in an open space with an exposed shooter versus at range. Took 8 seconds for threat neutralization at 5-10 foot range.
Shooter brandished at the 4 second mark and clearly points at the ceiling. Cop draws quickly within 5 -10 feet of the shooter and turns his back while retreating and looking for cover. Could have neutralized the threat by the 6-7 second mark after his draw especially since the shooter was shooting the ceiling and hadn't engaged him yet. Instead it took to the 11-12 second mark and he lost his site of the threat that was in the open and exposed. Retreating gave the shooter the time to engage and point her weapon at him whereas if he had drawn and fired the threat would haven't had that opportunity.
I suppose the thinking is that there could have been multiple threats?
The dumb thing is that in his effort to find cover he turns away from a completely exposed threat for 2-3 seconds at close range. At that range a serious shooter would have had him before he got to cover, especially with his back turned. He unnecessarily gave the threat 2-3 seconds to kill him with an easy shot.
He had is gun drawn. Shooter had her gun in the air at like 3 yard range. That should have been an easy shoot.
IMHO at that range, eliminate threat 1, retreat and look for other threats.
But I am not a cop so what do I know? At least he engaged. I don't think cops are really taught how to shoot a threat that jumps in front of them and practically begs to be shot.
No way the shooter didn't see the cop walking up on her. She never even tried to shoot anyone, just pointed at the ceiling and fired.
Looks like the intention was to die. As far as the cop is concerned....at that range drawing and retreating before firing is counter productive. Best to draw and fire as quickly as possible.
If that shooter had been serious he is dead before he gets to cover and even if not, that marginal cover ain't helping him.
Best hope at that range would be to get some shots off before getting taken out.
It's different at close range in an open space with an exposed shooter versus at range. Took 8 seconds for threat neutralization at 5-10 foot range.
Shooter brandished at the 4 second mark and clearly points at the ceiling. Cop draws quickly within 5 -10 feet of the shooter and turns his back while retreating and looking for cover. Could have neutralized the threat by the 6-7 second mark after his draw especially since the shooter was shooting the ceiling and hadn't engaged him yet. Instead it took to the 11-12 second mark and he lost his site of the threat that was in the open and exposed. Retreating gave the shooter the time to engage and point her weapon at him whereas if he had drawn and fired the threat would haven't had that opportunity.
I suppose the thinking is that there could have been multiple threats?
The dumb thing is that in his effort to find cover he turns away from a completely exposed threat for 2-3 seconds at close range. At that range a serious shooter would have had him before he got to cover, especially with his back turned. He unnecessarily gave the threat 2-3 seconds to kill him with an easy shot.
He had is gun drawn. Shooter had her gun in the air at like 3 yard range. That should have been an easy shoot.
IMHO at that range, eliminate threat 1, retreat and look for other threats.
But I am not a cop so what do I know? At least he engaged. I don't think cops are really taught how to shoot a threat that jumps in front of them and practically begs to be shot.
aginlakeway said:GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
Where would you have taken cover in that situation?
There wasn't any cover in the immediate vicinity. Fortunately she wasn't shooting at him.
Maybe it won't. Maybe it will. Maybe it would deflect a bullet. Maybe it would slow it down significantly so that in the event it didn't hit the LEO in the vest, it wasn't lethal.GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
It also provides concealment and a platform to support the officer's while returning fire. There is a lot more to C&C than whether it's bulletproof or not. And in the absence of something you know for a fact is bullet proof, something is better than nothing and it's not even close.
Something is cover or concealment or both. That was concealment and he was already in plain view of the shooter. No point taking cover behind something a bullet will go through like paper.
As ags4dawin said, the optimal response probably was to draw and fire asap. Don't fault the cop at all however and he did great either way
As ags4dawin said, the optimal response probably was to draw and fire asap. Don't fault the cop at all however and he did great either way
Man, it didn't even phase that guy in the red shirt. He just looks over his shoulder as he casually walks to the exit.
Of course, if the cop had just drawn and shot her - from behind, at a range of about 5' - we'd be hearing from the usual suspects about how he had 'executed her.'
Yes.Spotted Ag said:
Am I the only one bothered by the cop running away first!?
True. In addition, its not like they are a military range-finder locked on target ---- any cover, even flimsy cover, disrupts the "visual" the shooter has and the impression of a clear shot. Now other movements all around become noticeable, and more distracting, and so on.Wycliffe_03 said:A lot of times it's about stopping the person from trying to shoot you. The kiosk probably at least limits the risk or slows the bullet down, but also, gun wielding lunatics are probably not ballistics experts and are likely going to be much less likely to try to shoot through things.GAC06 said:
Not trying to nitpick the cop, he did great. But a ticket kiosk probably isn't going to stop a bullet.
Just common sense if didn't have a perfect shot at first.
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