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This country doesn't even care about Hunter cheating on his wife with his dead brother's widow, knocking up a stripper, and having an incestuous sexual relationship with his underage neice. Why would it care about adultery among non-crack smoking squares?

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This country doesn't care about the president cheating on his wife, paying women off and having the same lawyer who paid off those women pay for the abortion of the RNC finance chair so why would we care about Hunter Biden?

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Weird m, right? It's almost the moral order of our society has completely collapsed and must be restored by force of law.

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And this is why we have a separation of church and state.

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We really don't, the idea that the church and state would be separate was anathema at the time. There is merely the refusal to establish a state religion.

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And establishing laws based on one religion essentially establishes a state religion.

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No it doesn't, any more than having laws against murder establishes a state religion. Somethings are bad and transcend any single religion.

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Exactly, some things transcend religion, like murder. By definition, marriage does not transcend religion.

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Are you telling me atheists don't get married?

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No, they do not. At least not under my definition of marriage.

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if you don't have a religious marriage, why do you even care about faithfulness? You just have a civil union for tax purposes so who cares what your spouse does? Your marriage isn't valid in the eyes of the lord anyway.

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because adultery is effed up. don't need the bible or the quran to tell me that. that's just basic golden rule.

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Why? Your marriage is meaningless. You shouldn't care about behavior. I mean that's what you all tell us all of the time. You should be able to act without consequences and that's what a civil Union non-religious marriage means. There is absolutely no reason at all your spouse should remain faithful in a non-religious marriage if there shouldn't be any negative consequences for personal behavior that doesn't physically hurt anyone. Additionally, you would have no right to be upset about it because that would mean you are judging them for acting on their desires and we all know that's bad.

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Many people are devoted to their wife and not God. You don't need a deity to not betray someone and treat them like ****.

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If personal behavior cannot be judged if it harms no one then how is this bad? I've yet to have a leftist explain to me why adultery is bad if you can't judge people for their own behaviors from a sexual standpoint. If a man or a woman wants to sleep around then who are you to say that they can't. I am told that judging people for their promiscuity is terrible all of the time so clearly this just falls under that umbrella since your marriage is nothing but a legal document and has no bearing on behavior.

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We live in a Republic founded on individual liberty. This is not a theocracy, and such intrusions into day to day life are absurd. You would criminalize a quarter of the population, if stats are to be believed.

As for religious marriages, enforcing this is stupid, but government backing away completely from regulation of marriage is fine. If it's a religious institution, then the government should have no say or involvement in it at all.

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Government founded on individual liberty by dudes who owned slaves and wrote laws that punished homosexuality with castration or death. They didn't view liberty the same way we view liberty. They would have shat at the idea of the 14th and 19th amendments.

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Yep, they also were fine with states having their official religions.

Bravo on getting this troll up to three pages.

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Why? Your marriage is meaningless. You shouldn't care about behavior. I mean that's what you all tell us all of the time. You should be able to act without consequences and that's what a civil Union non-religious marriage means. There is absolutely no reason at all your spouse should remain faithful in a non-religious marriage if there shouldn't be any negative consequences for personal behavior that doesn't physically hurt anyone. Additionally, you would have no right to be upset about it because that would mean you are judging them for acting on their desires and we all know that's bad.

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lmao, y'all are something else

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Bravo on getting this troll up to three pages.

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AMEN! I clicked on the ridiculous topic when it had only 1 reply and now this??!!

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Undoubtedly a troll post, but I'm sure there are people who would agree with this.

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It's definitely not a troll. Go look at my post history.

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Some people are fairly good at staying in character with their various socks.

I bet OP and his ilk have some particularly juicy search histories.

This is all just a shame-fetish at this point, I'm convinced.

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I am of the opinion that stupid posts on POLITICS should be punishable by a minimum of 1 week ban for every violation. I also think that you should not be allowed to post at all unless you get a "proven poster" from staff that will take into account your intelligence level. This would ensure all posts intelligent in nature and eliminate those who just want to post for fun.

if you don't have a "proven poster" sticker from staff, why would anyone do you even care about your thoughts? You just have the general board for dumb posting purposes. These dumb posts over here are just stupid eyes of smart posters anyway.

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FIFY

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This country doesn't even care about Hunter cheating on his wife with his dead brother's widow, knocking up a stripper, and having an incestuous sexual relationship with his underage neice. Why would it care about adultery among non-crack smoking squares?

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This country doesn't care about the president cheating on his wife, paying women off and having the same lawyer who paid off those women pay for the abortion of the RNC finance chair so why would we care about Hunter Biden?

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You know, the thing is, I actually did care. I condone none of Trump's BS antics. Made me sick to think that while Melania was home with baby Barron he was banging some nasty porn star. Disgusting. But yeah, I voted for him. Twice. And I would be lying if I said I didn't like most of his policy positions. He was good for our country in that regard, very good.

And who else was I going to vote for? Sucks huh?

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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I bet OP and his ilk have some particularly juicy search histories.

This is all just a shame-fetish at this point, I'm convinced.

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always, you can't stand that people might not be as ugly or as degenerate as you are. You have to pretend like their wives or cheating on them, or they're having affairs on the side.

Arachnophobe huh? You must secretly want to bang spiders.

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if you don't have a religious marriage, why do you even care about faithfulness? You just have a civil union for tax purposes so who cares what your spouse does? Your marriage isn't valid in the eyes of the lord anyway.

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because adultery is effed up. don't need the bible or the quran to tell me that. that's just basic golden rule.

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Why? Your marriage is meaningless. You shouldn't care about behavior. I mean that's what you all tell us all of the time. You should be able to act without consequences and that's what a civil Union non-religious marriage means. There is absolutely no reason at all your spouse should remain faithful in a non-religious marriage if there shouldn't be any negative consequences for personal behavior that doesn't physically hurt anyone. Additionally, you would have no right to be upset about it because that would mean you are judging them for acting on their desires and we all know that's bad.

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Many people are devoted to their wife and not God. You don't need a deity to not betray someone and treat them like ****.

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If personal behavior cannot be judged if it harms no one then how is this bad? I've yet to have a leftist explain to me why adultery is bad if you can't judge people for their own behaviors from a sexual standpoint. If a man or a woman wants to sleep around then who are you to say that they can't. I am told that judging people for their promiscuity is terrible all of the time so clearly this just falls under that umbrella since your marriage is nothing but a legal document and has no bearing on behavior.

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The bolded part is why adultery is wrong. It harms someone. You have committed to a lifetime of sharing resources and companionship that is now betrayed and thrown into disarray. That is by definition harming someone and is immoral.

If you want to use an edge case of polyamory or swingers or some thing where someone's oath or commitment to each other isn't technically violated by adultery, then fine.

The philosophical crux of the OP is where does civil society draw the line between what is merely unethical or immoral behavior and white requires government use of force. My personal view is that the line is drawn at tort to someone's person or property. Adultery does not rise to the level of criminal actions.

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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There is no way she's ever been to a gym.

I guess you didn't vote for Trump then considering his reputation?

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Why? Your marriage is meaningless. You shouldn't care about behavior. I mean that's what you all tell us all of the time. You should be able to act without consequences and that's what a civil Union non-religious marriage means. There is absolutely no reason at all your spouse should remain faithful in a non-religious marriage if there shouldn't be any negative consequences for personal behavior that doesn't physically hurt anyone. Additionally, you would have no right to be upset about it because that would mean you are judging them for acting on their desires and we all know that's bad.

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lmao, y'all are something else

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We know you can't answer this and have no response to it. A marriage without religioun is meaningless.

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Undoubtedly a troll post, but I'm sure there are people who would agree with this.

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It's definitely not a troll. Go look at my post history.

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Some people are fairly good at staying in character with their various socks.

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People with illiberal right wing views are so scary to you that you must convince yourself they're not real.

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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There is no way she's ever been to a gym.

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True enough, she saw a guy on tv or Facebook then.

Jesus said "if a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultery in his heart already" (Sermon on the Mount). We are all guilty! Even OP. Thankfully where sin abounds grace abounds more.

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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How dare you say something so profane. You should go to jail for 1 year for this statement.

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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No projection

Just a prediction

And we all know it is gonna happen

Have a great day and remember, you can't vote for Trump

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if you don't have a religious marriage, why do you even care about faithfulness? You just have a civil union for tax purposes so who cares what your spouse does? Your marriage isn't valid in the eyes of the lord anyway.

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because adultery is effed up. don't need the bible or the quran to tell me that. that's just basic golden rule.

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Why? Your marriage is meaningless. You shouldn't care about behavior. I mean that's what you all tell us all of the time. You should be able to act without consequences and that's what a civil Union non-religious marriage means. There is absolutely no reason at all your spouse should remain faithful in a non-religious marriage if there shouldn't be any negative consequences for personal behavior that doesn't physically hurt anyone. Additionally, you would have no right to be upset about it because that would mean you are judging them for acting on their desires and we all know that's bad.

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Many people are devoted to their wife and not God. You don't need a deity to not betray someone and treat them like ****.

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If personal behavior cannot be judged if it harms no one then how is this bad? I've yet to have a leftist explain to me why adultery is bad if you can't judge people for their own behaviors from a sexual standpoint. If a man or a woman wants to sleep around then who are you to say that they can't. I am told that judging people for their promiscuity is terrible all of the time so clearly this just falls under that umbrella since your marriage is nothing but a legal document and has no bearing on behavior.

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The bolded part is why adultery is wrong. It harms someone. You have committed to a lifetime of sharing resources and companionship that is now betrayed and thrown into disarray. That is by definition harming someone and is immoral.

If you want to use an edge case of polyamory or swingers or some thing where someone's oath or commitment to each other isn't technically violated by adultery, then fine.

The philosophical crux of the OP is where does civil society draw the line between what is merely unethical or immoral behavior and white requires government use of force. My personal view is that the line is drawn at tort to someone's person or property. Adultery does not rise to the level of criminal actions.

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You aren't allowed to judge people based upon promiscuity though so no it doesn't harm anyone. A marriage without religion is a marriage without morals.

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This country doesn't even care about Hunter cheating on his wife with his dead brother's widow, knocking up a stripper, and having an incestuous sexual relationship with his underage neice. Why would it care about adultery among non-crack smoking squares?

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This country doesn't care about the president cheating on his wife, paying women off and having the same lawyer who paid off those women pay for the abortion of the RNC finance chair so why would we care about Hunter Biden?

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You know, the thing is, I actually did care. I condone none of Trump's BS antics. Made me sick to think that while Melania was home with baby Barron he was banging some nasty porn star. Disgusting. But yeah, I voted for him. Twice. And I would be lying if I said I didn't like most of his policy positions. He was good for our country in that regard, very good.

And who else was I going to vote for? Sucks huh?

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True- - -Submit that was the dilemma that evangelist vote faced, and made in 2016. Either accept the warts-and-all candidacy of Trump, or let a definitely anti-Christian (now even looking satanic destructive) agenda continue to grow. In 2016 they voted against purist stance that had undermined them before. You are describing the same thing.

There is no easy answer to it when you can't get candidates with more of wholesome profile.

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This will be a interesting thread to bring up when the OP is busted for banging the gym owner's 21 year old daughter

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Nice projection, did you see a hot guy at the gym today and decide it would make for a good fantasy?

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There is no way she's ever been to a gym.

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True enough, she saw a guy on tv or Facebook then.

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Another successful TexAgs hookup, y'all are absolutely adorable together!

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I am of the opinion that adultery should be punishable by a minimum of 1 year in prison for every violation and it should be the only valid reason for divorce. I also think that you should not be allowed to marry at all unless you get a religious marriage. This would ensure all marriages are religious in nature and eliminate those who just want to get married for tax purposes.

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Prison? Why are you bending to the cultural assault on religious values? The adulterers should be put to death.

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I bet OP and his ilk have some particularly juicy search histories.

This is all just a shame-fetish at this point, I'm convinced.

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always, you can't stand that people might not be as ugly or as degenerate as you are. You have to pretend like their wives or cheating on them, or they're having affairs on the side.

Arachnophobe huh? You must secretly want to bang spiders.

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I love how they instantly go to "if you are against this kind of behavior then you must secretly do it or engage in it yourself." They cannot fathom a person having morality based upon faith in God.

You aren't allowed to judge people based upon promiscuity though so no it doesn't harm anyone. Says who?


A marriage without religion is a marriage without morals.Proof by assertion fallacy. You haven't offered any evidence for this premise and repeating multiple times doesn't make it true.

A lot of projection ITT

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A lot of projection ITT

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Oh good, the admitted fascist is here to set everyone straight.

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Ho-Lee-****

This is either an amazing troll or you are ****ing nuts.

Jury is still out.

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Spousal murder would go up about a million percent if someone was forced with the option of staying in a miserable marriage and having sex only with someone you despise or go to jail.

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Jesus said "if a man lusts after a woman he has committed adultery in his heart already" (Sermon on the Mount). We are all guilty! Even OP. Thankfully where sin abounds grace abounds more.

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Because we are all sinners this means we should never punish any behaviors at all! We may as well live under pure anarchy if this is your viewpoint.